He need to get gone. The question is does the man possess the skills and OPPORTUNITY to be an all-that HB?

stymie said:

They just thought he looked like he ate a lot of chicken wings, thus he would watch lots of sports.

i got nothing.

This is just an example of the Liberals making mountain out of a mole hill. They love to take something like this and make a huge issue out of it. If Rush had made a comment like, "I would never paint my bedroom black.", the media would have ran with it and everyone would call him a racist for that too. Everyone is looking for that "See, I told you so" opportunity.

Rush Limbaugh is a jackass with a big mouth. I had to listen to him constantly at my last job because my boss always played his radio show in his car when we were on our way to meetings.

As big a mouth as he has, making blatantly racist remarks would be career suicide for him. So instead he makes comments like the one he did on ESPN, that he can back out of and play innocent when and if the shit hits the fan. Anyone who has listened to him speak before, and is aware of his agenda, can easily pick up on the undertones in his remarks.

All he does is spread hate and seperatism with practically everything he says. He spends morning noon and night slandering anyone remotely liberal. It's amusing that he now hopes people give him the benefit of the doubt. If he really was gonna stand behind what he said, he wouldn't have so quickly resigned. He's only trying to save face by quitting, rather than have the doors of ESPN hit his fat ass on the way out.
[This message was edited Thu Oct 2 13:16:41 PDT 2003 by Tom]

Tom said:

well put.

Yet Michael Moore (The real fat fuck) is somehow respected.

EvilWhiteMale said:

Not by all of us LOL. I'm not crazy about him either.

EvilWhiteMale said:

and that is the key isnt it? if you keep looking under rocks for worms, sooner or later you will find something that looks enough like a worm.
i usually bring up Robert Byrd because it is the best example of a double standard for republicans and democrats on race issues. he can say the shit he says and you dont hear shit about it on the news. limbaugh says this and he is chastised.
Neal Boortz says it best:

let's see, where do we start...

AnotherLoverToo said:

this is your exact quote, and it isn't a paraphrase of what he said. a paraphrase of what he said is "Donvan Mcnab is an average QB, but the media exagerates his ability and performance because he is black and they want to publicize a great black quarterback."

he didn't say anything about what people thought of Donvan McNab, he spoke of the medias intentions. there is a difference, just as there is a difference between paraphrasing what he said and your attempt to pass off your opinion of what he said as what he said. I've covered this before for you, it can't be made any clearer.

you can back track all you want and change your argument, as you all ready have, and attempt to pretend you want a civil debate when you in fact you are the one who has made it uncivilized, but the fact remains 1) you didn't paraphrase anyone, 2) I didn't tell you not have an an opinion, and 3)you still have yet to make a valid argument in regards to Rush or me.

dumbass said:

"People only think he's good because he's black" (me)

"The media exaggerates his ability/performance because he's black" (you)

The main difference appears to be "people" vs. "the media", so I don't think our versions are much different--except that you point out that it's the media's (rather than Limbaugh's) doing. I qualified my rephrasing with "he basically said", and you're just going to have to live with the fact that people can read the same statements and come away hearing very different things. I would listen to him explain/clarify his words so that I have better comprehension of what he truly meant, but I am not going to accept you telling me I'm wrong in my interpretation. At least, not without some explanation, which you are only now giving.

You know, if you had presented it this way from the beginning rather than quite rudely telling me not to comment, I think this all could have been avoided. I did not "backtrack" or "change" my argument at all. But there are certain ways to debate ideas and approach people that are more conduscive to respectful dialogue but, unfortunately, you did NOT engage in those methods until now.

dumbass said:

I think you two need to agree on a definition for "paraphrase".

madartista said:

Nope, I think we both just need to agree to disagree at this point and drop the personal shit.

I posted this on the other thread in P&R:

Some examples of questionable things he's said:

*As a young broadcaster in the 1970s, Limbaugh once told a black caller: "Take that bone out of your nose and call me back."

*A decade ago, after becoming nationally syndicated, he mused on the air: "Have you ever noticed how all composite pictures of wanted criminals resemble Jesse Jackson?"

*In 1992, on his now-defunct TV show, Limbaugh expressed his ire when Spike Lee urged that black schoolchildren get off from school to see his film Malcolm X: "Spike, if you're going to do that, let's complete the education experience. You should tell them that they should loot the theater, and then blow it up on their way out."

*In a similar vein, here is Limbaugh's mocking take on the NAACP, a group with a ninety-year commitment to nonviolence: "The NAACP should have riot rehearsal. They should get a liquor store and practice robberies."

*When Carol Moseley-Braun (D-IL) was in the U.S. Senate, the first black woman ever elected to that body, Limbaugh would play the "Movin' On Up" theme song from TV's "Jeffersons" when he mentioned her. Limbaugh sometimes still uses mock dialect -- substituting "ax" for "ask"-- when discussing black leaders.

*His ugly reference two years ago to the father of Madonna's first child, a Latino, as "a gang-member type guy" -- an individual with no gang background.

*In 1994, Limbaugh mocked St. Louis for building a rail line to East St. Louis "where nobody goes." East St. Louis is home to roughly 40,000 residents -- 98 percent of whom are African-Americans. One of its 40,000 "nobodies" is star NFL linebacker Bryan Cox.

*Once, in response to a caller arguing that black people need to be heard, Limbaugh responded: "They are 12 percent of the population. Who the hell cares?"

AnotherLoverToo said:

Of course. These are some reasons that he has the small pockets of vocal support (not to be confused with me saying he only has small pockets of support) that he does. Even among some here on the Org.

The media, which Rush IS a member of, has nothing to score by wanting Black QB's to be successful. That's just assinine regardless of whose mouth it comes from. Predictably it came from Limbaugh's pie hole.

I didn't even realize he was a part of the ESPN football telecast til this brouhaha. I didn't even know ESPN wanted him. He has FAR less qualifications for his former job at ESPN than McNabb has for being a starting QB in the NFL. He knows it. His ESPN colleagues knew it. And NFL fans know it. And that sure as hell has nothing to do with him being White.


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[This message was edited Thu Oct 2 18:55:08 PDT 2003 by Supernova]

I just knew this idiot wasn't going to be able to go very long without some sort of comment like this. Though I find his radio personality entertaining and engaging, about 75%+ of every individual topic or issue he pontificates on is false or bullshit piled on the 25%- truthful kernal, he is what he is, he's very successful at it, and while I personally disagree with him probably 99.9% of the time, I do find that I enjoy his radio show.

Unfortunately, the idiot can't pull his head out of his ass long enough for an hour on Sunday to realize that every time he takes his crap outside of his little right-wing talkshow world, he gets his ass handed to him on a plate. He sincerely seems befuddled whenever he draws national criticism or attention. For example, ask him about his one and only Letterman appearance, and watch him wince. I mean, really... the great political leader... David Letterman, left Rush reeling. Come on. Plus the abysmal failure that was his first television show. And now the ESPN debacle.

He is very good at one thing, and he should stick to that one thing: right wing rhetoric on talk radio. Despite his claims, the majority of the country is NOT conservative, and I think it's his error, time and again, that outside of his show, or outside of Fox News, or outside of the occasional editorial that he writes for the Wall Street Journal or Washinton Times, his shit doesn't play with at least half of the country (judging by the last general election) and probably even half of the very party he's shilling for on a dialy basis.

He is, after all, a big fat idiot. That's actually incorrect. He is a very smart man. His downfall is that now that he's created this personality that he's cultivated every day for 15 years, he is unable to step outside of it and smell some fresh air and see that it isn't just the "liberal media" that is keeping him down, but that most of the people in the country think he's full of shit.

While I don't think that in this particular instance what he said was as racist as some are making it out to be, it was incredibly stupid and just downright incorrect on its face. However, added to the list that AnotherLover posted above, and several others that I can recall just from personal experience, he does have his head up his ass when it comes to many issues.

Also, I don't think he resigned just becasue of this incident. I have a feeling that he and Disney both got wind of this prescription drug story, and that's why he resigned last night. Had THAT story not broken, he wouldn't have resigned, and I don't think ESPN would have fired him. They hired him for his opinions, and that's what he gave. And you'd better believe that after all the hoopla this week, this coming weekend's ESPN show would have had the highest raitings it's ever had.

Criticisms aside, I do feel sorry for the guy. For 4 reasons.

1) As a semi-frequent listener to his radio show, I know this ESPN job is something that he very much wanted to do. He speaks about football very often on the show, to the consternation of much of his audience. It's a shame that he was unable to seperate the two jobs, and ruined his chance at it. I've had a feeling for a couple years that he's sick of his radio job, and that even he doesn't believe believe some of the stuff coming out of his mouth. I think he saw this as an exit from the daily grind of what he's doing now, and entry into something that he would have enjoyed more.

2) He's spent so much of his career playing up certain points of view on issues, including affirmative action. I don't think, at his core, he's a racist person. However, I think that, like a lot of people, he holds certain views that many would consider racist. And I don't even mean the kind of petty bullshit we argue about the issue here on the org. I don't think he even means it. However, he does often come across that way. At any rate, I think that he's spent so much time playing up and harping on the negative aspects of affirmative action, that he's brainwashed himself (and his audience) into the expectation that even when affirmative action-style programs aren't in place, when a black person acheives success on his or her own, there is the sense in him and others that it was acheived because of affirmative action. That is the danger of Rush Limbaugh types. A danger to not only audience, but now obviously himself. If one wants to discuss the pros and cons of affirmative action, there's plenty to discuss on both sides. However, after 15 years of hyping up the bad, it's skewed his and his audience's viewpoints to actually BE racist, instead of just discussing the racial aspects of certain issues.

3) If the story about him being a pillhead is true, then this is one shitty week for that story to break. I'm sure with his ESPN troubles, now is exactly the time when he'd want to retreat into addiction. Now that he's under the microscope for the alleged drug problems... whoops! really bad timing


4) the pill thing... seriously, though, it's kind of shocking. disturbing actually, in a few ways. i wouldn't have expected it of him, first of all. but second, and more importantly, the whole thing is really just fucking bizarre. despite my dislike for most of what he says, i wish him the best in facing up to the allegations, if they're true, and with recovery as well. to think a guy that signed what might be the biggest contract in entertainment history, felled by addiction to painkillers... lord. it's just odd that he'd sacrifice so much for that. and it may be tied to the loss of his hearing too, from what i've been hearing.

AaronMaximus said:

Well said, I can feel ya on this

when is someone gonna open his head up and piss down his skull?

Can I say;

WRONG FORUM

???

YES I CAN

EvilWhiteMale said:

So,you approve of the things that Rush says?


I'm a liberal and I'm not making a big deal about this.Rush is a conservative Republican so that says it all.His views on Blacks are already well-known.Personally,I couldn't care less about Rush or his extreme views,but I can't understand why idiots like him and Trent Lott can't foresee the furor their comments would cause.I mean,do these guys even THINK about what they're gonna say before the words come out of their mouths? As for your assertion that liberals are just looking for that "see,I told you so" opportunity...in the case of Rush Limbaugh,they don't have to look far,now do they?

AnotherLoverToo said:

Hey EWM,I suppose you're gonna try to dismiss these comments too? Go ahead,give it your best shot

Tom said:

Tom wins this weeks' prize for "Post of the Week"

DavidEye said:

actually, it would be pretty easy to dismiss them. there's no context or source date included for any of them. there are hundreds of things that are supposedly said by celebrities (particilarly talkshow hosts) that have actually never been said.

however, i've heard him say things that COULD be construed as racist several times. were they actually racist in and of themselves? not particularly. however, the tone and context used when discussing such matters might lead one to believe that they were racist statements. is he a racist? i don't think so. i think he gets caught up in a certain pathology when discussing these things, and it comes out as very racist. he's also the kind of guy that's not going to let an opportunity to get in a "good line" when he has the opportunity, and diarrhea of the mind often takes hold of him.

i have heard him say things that *I* thought were racist. but about 90% of the time, it is often just an opinion on the matter that is different than my own, and my kee-jerk reaction is to scream "racist fuck!" ... but after i think about it for a few minutes, i realize it isn't racist. it's just a different belief than my own, and i think that's where most people get the idea that he's racist. he says something that you patently disagree with, so you think he's a racist. as i said, 90% of the time, it's not racist, it just seems that way when you vehemently disagree and he's challenged your own opinion.


whether he changes your mind after you've heard it... that's a whole other, unfortunate matter.
[This message was edited Fri Oct 3 8:39:44 PDT 2003 by AaronMaximus]

DavidEye said:

I don't see the big deal about this comment. If anyone else had said it, there wouldn't be such a big deal about it.

DavidEye said:

And these comments have what to do with the recent one?

I heard about this somewhere!

2the9s said:

Lleena told me that you look like Rush Limbaugh.

bkw said:

Yo buddy. That cool emoticon isn't working anymore.

The link is gone.

wonder how long it will be before this thread gets locked?

Newspaper headlines read "Rush out on a limb" I found that amusing.