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Thread started 09/29/03 12:01pm

slm4m

Mel Gibson's new Movie: The Passion.

I have heard bits and pieces about it. I saw little snippetts of it. It is very stunning. Does anyone know anything about this movie?
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Reply #1 posted 09/29/03 12:02pm

TwIsTeDmInD

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Yes, its a story about Jesus. It looks very good!
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Reply #2 posted 09/29/03 12:03pm

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TwIsTeDmInD said:

Yes, its a story about Jesus. It looks very good!

i know jesus he works down at the rite aid
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Reply #3 posted 09/29/03 12:04pm

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TwIsTeDmInD said:

Yes, its a story about Jesus. It looks very good!


His last 12 hours of life?
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Reply #4 posted 09/29/03 12:05pm

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Mel Gibson rocks. Must see.

This is supposed to be a very controversial take on Christ, though I don't know the details--it's sure to piss off one group or another.
Fear is the mind-killer.
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Reply #5 posted 09/29/03 12:05pm

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You know, that I am not sure of lol But the famous trailer shot is of Jesus at the Cross, so I think it might be.
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Reply #6 posted 09/29/03 12:06pm

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Christopher said:


i know jesus he works down at the rite aid

Manager I hope.
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Reply #7 posted 09/29/03 12:06pm

applekisses

It sounds quite a bit like 'The Last Temptation of Christ' which is one of my favorite movies...but, I don't need to see a ripoff of it.
The soundtrack to 'The Last Temptation of Christ', created by Peter Gabriel, is called 'Passion' hmmm...
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Reply #8 posted 09/29/03 12:07pm

Christopher

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TwIsTeDmInD said:

Christopher said:


i know jesus he works down at the rite aid

Manager I hope.


yes i suppose... i put on my best spanish for him "hola jesus...como estas mi amgg..er bye."
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Reply #9 posted 09/29/03 12:07pm

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Well, perhaps it is a Tribute to The Last Temptation. Thats not so bad, is it?
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Reply #10 posted 09/29/03 12:08pm

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Christopher said:

TwIsTeDmInD said:

Yes, its a story about Jesus. It looks very good!

i know jesus he works down at the rite aid


Hi There...Christopher... yeah I knew Jesus...in high school.. he was the guy selling acid to us across from the high school. Man, that was long ago.
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Reply #11 posted 09/29/03 12:08pm

TwIsTeDmInD

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Christopher said:

yes i suppose... i put on my best spanish for him "hola jesus...como estas mi amgg..er bye."

Very nice then. Donde es Jesus? California es muy lejos de Isreal...
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Reply #12 posted 09/29/03 12:08pm

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slm4m said:

Christopher said:

TwIsTeDmInD said:

Yes, its a story about Jesus. It looks very good!

i know jesus he works down at the rite aid


Hi There...Christopher... yeah I knew Jesus...in high school.. he was the guy selling acid to us across from the high school. Man, that was long ago.


lol he sounded like he was lovely and that...

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Reply #13 posted 09/29/03 12:11pm

slm4m

Christopher said:

slm4m said:

Christopher said:

TwIsTeDmInD said:

Yes, its a story about Jesus. It looks very good!

i know jesus he works down at the rite aid


Hi There...Christopher... yeah I knew Jesus...in high school.. he was the guy selling acid to us across from the high school. Man, that was long ago.


lol he sounded like he was lovely and that...

stoned


Really, he was a Harmless chap. He spoke softly, he would not have hurt a fly. That's why we called him Jesus.
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[This message was edited Mon Sep 29 12:12:41 PDT 2003 by slm4m]
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Reply #14 posted 09/29/03 12:21pm

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*Sigh*... and I only know a Moses sad
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Reply #15 posted 09/29/03 12:24pm

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TwIsTeDmInD said:

*Sigh*... and I only know a Moses sad

comfort
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Reply #16 posted 09/29/03 12:24pm

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Reply #17 posted 09/29/03 12:26pm

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Christopher said:


comfort

He always parts the pool when Im in it! sad
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Reply #18 posted 09/29/03 12:27pm

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TwIsTeDmInD said:

Christopher said:


comfort

He always parts the pool when Im in it! sad


lol

sad try going to the beach during his work hrs..that way you dont run into him
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Reply #19 posted 09/29/03 12:29pm

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Christopher said:

sad try going to the beach during his work hrs..that way you dont run into him

Good idea, but I tried. When I do that he just turns the ocean to blood. Id rather see it parted thank you.
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Reply #20 posted 09/29/03 12:34pm

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TwIsTeDmInD said:

Christopher said:

sad try going to the beach during his work hrs..that way you dont run into him

Good idea, but I tried. When I do that he just turns the ocean to blood. Id rather see it parted thank you.


hmmm hmmm lay low for a bit untill he stops "playa hatin" eheh and
full your bath tub up and swim in there smile
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Reply #21 posted 09/29/03 12:35pm

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Good idea! Well, Im out. Seeya!
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Reply #22 posted 09/29/03 12:48pm

slm4m

Christopher said:

TwIsTeDmInD said:

Christopher said:


comfort

He always parts the pool when Im in it! sad


lol

sad try going to the beach during his work hrs..that way you dont run into him


Gee, when I go to the beach, the Jesus I know walks on water... he gets all the attention. I hate going anywhere with him... it never fails.. always during dinner... people come up to him, "Hey Jesus turn my water into wine." Their to cheap to buy a bottle.
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Reply #23 posted 09/29/03 12:49pm

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i'll look for an article about this...but I was reading that the controversy stems from Gibson's biblical references in that they are very anti-semitic. I was reading that he believes in an alternative biblical interpretation that really rips into the jewish faith.


I'm trying to remember where I read this, though, if I find it i'll post it!
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Reply #24 posted 09/29/03 12:51pm

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endorphin74 said:

i'll look for an article about this...but I was reading that the controversy stems from Gibson's biblical references in that they are very anti-semitic. I was reading that he believes in an alternative biblical interpretation that really rips into the jewish faith.


I'm trying to remember where I read this, though, if I find it i'll post it!



I posted the web site for the movie but yeah I read that too I think it was on CNN or MSN.
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Reply #25 posted 09/29/03 12:53pm

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endorphin74 said:

i'll look for an article about this...but I was reading that the controversy stems from Gibson's biblical references in that they are very anti-semitic. I was reading that he believes in an alternative biblical interpretation that really rips into the jewish faith.


I'm trying to remember where I read this, though, if I find it i'll post it!



I posted the web site for the movie but yeah I read that too I think it was on CNN or MSN.


found it on cnn (see below...)
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Reply #26 posted 09/29/03 12:54pm

slm4m

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It sounds quite a bit like 'The Last Temptation of Christ' which is one of my favorite movies...but, I don't need to see a ripoff of it.
The soundtrack to 'The Last Temptation of Christ', created by Peter Gabriel, is called 'Passion' hmmm...
confuse

I agree on all accounts. I think the movies will be vastly diferent.

Peter's soundtrack is awesome.
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Reply #27 posted 09/29/03 12:55pm

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from CNN---I bolded some main points


Gibson's film 'Passion' inflames tempers
Director wants Jewish-Christian dialogue, says spokesman

(CNN) --In reaction to the controversy over his film about Jesus Christ, called "The Passion," Mel Gibson is planning to convene a series of meetings with religious leaders to "invite their dialogue, their feedback," said a Gibson spokesman.

"We are very concerned about this [critical] feedback, and we are processing that feedback, and we have always planned on inviting this kind of dialogue," said Paul Lauer, director of marketing for Gibson's Icon Productions, on CNN's "NewsNight with Aaron Brown."

Icon plans on convening meetings with "eight to 10 significant Jewish leaders over the next 30 days," he said.

Although it's months away from release, "The Passion" is already kicking up a storm over its portrayal of the last hours of Jesus.

Some Jewish and Roman Catholic groups are concerned the film will fuel anti-Semitism. Others, including fundamentalist Christians and media names such as columnist Cal Thomas and Jewish Web personality Matt Drudge, have said the film is "beautiful" and "magical."

Biblical scholars have called Gibson's reading of the New Testament into question, and rumors have floated that the script's sources allegedly include an 18th-century Roman Catholic mystic.

Gibson's company, Icon Productions, has denied the rumors and claimed that a Catholic-Jewish group that criticized the film saw an early, purloined copy of the script.


All this for a film that is performed completely in Latin and Aramaic, features no A-list actors, and is still struggling to gain distribution.

Gibson, an Oscar-winning director ("Braveheart"), has said that the film is intended "to inspire, not offend." He wants "to create a lasting work of art and engender serious thought among audiences of diverse faith backgrounds (or none) who have varying familiarity with this story," he said in a June statement.

Gibson, a devout follower of a Roman Catholic splinter group that believes in a Latin Mass and rejects changes made in the Church by Vatican II, has poured up to $30 million of his own money to produce the film, according to The Associated Press.

The reaction has bothered him, said Lauer.

"It's hurt him a great deal. He has many close Jewish friends. He's worked with Jewish people in his career, in -- certainly in the movie industry for 25 years. He's never been accused of any degree of anti-Semitism or hatred or bigotry," he told CNN.

Gibson is expected to release a statement about the film and controversy in the next week, Lauer said.

'We were troubled'
Most viewers of the film have defended it.

"You actually hear what Jesus said in his original language. You hear what Peter said and what Mary said. And that's gripping. And then there were English subtitles in the version that we saw. And so it was amazing," said Rev. Ted Haggard, executive director of the National Association of Evangelicals.

Nevertheless, the Anti-Defamation League has "grave concerns," according to Rabbi Eugene Korn, the director of the organization's Office of Interfaith Affairs. Korn is the only ADL official who has seen the film.

ADL Executive Director Abraham Foxman expanded on Korn's statement.

"We were troubled ... that it portrayed the Jews, the Jewish community, in a manner that we have experienced historically. Seeing passion plays used to incite not only a passion of love in terms of Christianity, but at the same time, to instill and incite a hatred of the Jews because of deicide," he told CNN.

Some Roman Catholic officials are also troubled.

"There's so much violence that was part of the script, I mean, the suffering of Jesus is -- I have to say, in my reading of the script, to me, there was a fixation on the suffering, the torture, the brutality done to Jesus," said Sister Mary C. Boys of the Union Theological Seminary.

The group of Catholic and Jewish scholars released an 18-page report on the film earlier this summer. Both The New Republic and Beliefnet.com have published articles from members of the group expressing their views in more detail.

"Fidelity, accuracy, and sensitivity were all lacking in the script I saw for Mr. Gibson's production," wrote Beliefnet's Amy-Jill Levine, a professor of New Testament Studies at Vanderbilt University.

Contrary to Icon's statement, the group has maintained that the script was obtained in an above-board manner.


Is there a market?
Gibson's representatives say the film is not finished yet, and critics shouldn't be so quick to judge.

Lauer added that he hopes the film improves dialogue between Jews and Christians.

"What can we build around the film to further Jewish-Christian dialogue?" he asked. "And so we're reaching out to [critical groups] now and saying, 'Look, work with us. Build something positive around this controversy.' "

Lauer did not address the Catholic scholars' concerns, but added: "We condemn ... the Passion plays which led to anti-Semitism, hatred, intolerance. We in no way want to turn back the clock to a pre-Vatican II church that supposedly condemn[s] the Jews."

Even after the dust settles, a big question in Hollywood is: Who will see "The Passion"? Post-production continues, and the budget can be expected to increase by millions of dollars to cover print, distribution and advertising costs.

Moreover, although Gibson agreed to have the dialogue subtitled, there's no guarantee there's a market for such a strongly religious film. Since the last successful wave of biblical epics in the 1950s, a number of films with biblical or spiritual themes have flopped at the box office, most recently Martin Scorsese's "The Last Temptation of Christ" (1988), Scorsese's "Kundun" (1997) and Michael Tolkin's strange "The Rapture" (1991).

Taken together -- the controversy, the religious theme, the subtitles -- the outlook isn't very good, said one observer.

"This film has all the makings of a [box-office] bomb," entertainment publicist Michael Levine told The Washington Times.
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Reply #28 posted 09/29/03 12:56pm

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It sounds quite a bit like 'The Last Temptation of Christ' which is one of my favorite movies...but, I don't need to see a ripoff of it.
The soundtrack to 'The Last Temptation of Christ', created by Peter Gabriel, is called 'Passion' hmmm...
confuse

I agree on all accounts. I think the movies will be vastly diferent.

Peter's soundtrack is awesome.



The Passion is a biblical term that denotes the last hours of Christ's life.
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Reply #29 posted 09/29/03 1:33pm

Lleena

I am looking forward to seeing it.
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