Nep2nes said: I feel that the REAL hypocrites are the Jews, Christians, and Muslims who put on this facade that homosexuality is fine and dandy. Take one look at the book you're supposed to be following, and it wil tell you very clearly what to think about the subject of homosexuality.
Actually, in the case of the Bible, I don't believe that to be the case. (Taken from http://www.truluck.com/ ... sorry about the caps, it's lifted straight from the website). SEXUAL ORIENTATION IS NOT MENTIONED IN THE BIBLE. BIBLE LANGUAGES OF HEBREW AND GREEK HAVE NO WORD FOR HOMOSEXUAL, SEX OR FOR ROMANTIC LOVE. See WHAT BIBLE TO READ? THE BIBLE NOWHERE SAYS THAT GAYS AND LESBIANS CAN OR SHOULD CHANGE THEIR SEXUAL ORIENTATION. THE SIX BIBLE PASSAGES USED AGAINST HOMOSEXUALS ARE INCORRECTLY TRANSLATED AND USED OUT OF CONTEXT TO HURT PEOPLE NOT IN THE ORIGINAL TEXT. THE USE OF THE BIBLE TO CONDEMN LESBIANS AND GAYS VIOLATES SCIENTIFIC PRINCIPLES OF TRANSLATION AND INTERPRETATION AND IS ACADEMICALLY UNSOUND, INDEFENSIBLE, IRRESPONSIBLE, AND IGNORANT! THE BIBLE IN THE ORIGINAL LANGUAGES NEVER CONDEMNS SAME SEX ROMANTIC LOVE AS SIN. THE BIBLE GIVES POSITIVE SUPPORT FOR SAME SEX COMMITTED RELATIONSHIPS IN STORIES ABOUT RUTH AND NAOMI IN THE BOOK OF RUTH AND DAVID AND JONATHAN IN I SAMUEL 18-20 AND II SAMUEL 1. BIBLE TRANSLATORS AND PUBLISHERS WHO PERSIST IN USING EVIL HOMOPHOBIC "TRANSLATIONS FROM HELL" TO WOUND AND DESTROY LESBIANS AND GAYS MUST BE CHALLENGED AND CORRECTED. JESUS NEVER MENTIONED HOMOSEXUALITY. DISTORTION OF THE GOSPEL INTO ATTACKS ON HOMOSEXUALS DEMANDS A CLEAR AND EFFECTIVE RESPONSE NOW! THE BIBLE REPEATEDLY DEMONSTRATES GOD'S LOVE, CARE AND ACCEPTANCE OF ALL OUTCAST, REJECTED, MISUNDERSTOOD AND ALIENATED PEOPLE. | |
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Moonbeam said: These articles make me angry. As a Christian, it is disgusting to see fellow Christians speak so hatefully and calling their cause "pro-family" as if homosexuality were a threat to families.
I'm glad to hear you say that Ian. | |
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i think 'christians' who wage this sort of campaign have missed the real meaning of their faith. | |
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Anxiety said: They just need a copy of "Showgirls" on DVD, a double dong and a bottle or two of cheap vodka.
OMG! Im laughing so hard I can hardly breathe! G ld Star 4 u my friend!!! | |
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Raspberry is my kind of woman. A philosopher and masseur all rolled up into one? I'm impressed. Also by the texts she has chosen to share on this thread.
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PS: Any of u guys up 4 a fuck? | |
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scififilmnerd ... now off to bed I go ... nite nite everyone - sleep tight | |
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Just a question or two for the raisin-brain types who support this kind of crap:
If there was, in fact, incontrovertible evidence that sexual orientation is biologically determined, would you then give up your hateful and paranoid agenda? If it turned out that sexual orientation developed in childhood (or adulthood) on the basis of extrinsic or environmental influences, would that justify your bigotry? "When they tell me 2 walk a straight line, I put on crooked shoes" | |
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sosgemini said: WRONG FORUM!!
I so missed that. | |
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I'm really really hoping that every woman who is associated with that group ends up having a gay kid.
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Moonbeam said: These articles make me angry. As a Christian, it is disgusting to see fellow Christians speak so hatefully and calling their cause "pro-family" as if homosexuality were a threat to families.
There is an e-mail address right there. I sent them some words. | |
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Nep2nes said: I feel that the REAL hypocrites are the Jews, Christians, and Muslims who put on this facade that homosexuality is fine and dandy. Take one look at the book you're supposed to be following, and it wil tell you very clearly what to think about the subject of homosexuality.
No way. Do you think that women who are having their period are "unclean?" Check Leviticus. Do you think a man is "unclean" if he so much as touches a woman who is having her period? One of Jesus' main points was to clarify what was really important. The Pharisees were so focused on following the letter of the law that they missed the entire point of loving people, being servants of God, etc. | |
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Nikster said: I'm really really hoping that every woman who is associated with that group ends up having a gay kid.
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bananacologne said: Nikster said: I'm really really hoping that every woman who is associated with that group ends up having a gay kid.
Serge: I knew you would never accept me for who I am. Edina: Are you kidding? I wanted you to be gay, darling! | |
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This is so ridiculous.I will never understand why so many conservative,religious people care so much about what other people are doing.Why do they feel the need to "fight" the homosexual agenda? Just live your own freakin' lives and don't worry about who other people are sleeping with! | |
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DavidEye said: This is so ridiculous.I will never understand why so many conservative,religious people care so much about what other people are doing.Why do they feel the need to "fight" the homosexual agenda? Just live your own freakin' lives and don't worry about who other people are sleeping with!
Yes. But God tells them to harrass other people. | |
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Moonbeam said: Nep2nes said: I feel that the REAL hypocrites are the Jews, Christians, and Muslims who put on this facade that homosexuality is fine and dandy. Take one look at the book you're supposed to be following, and it wil tell you very clearly what to think about the subject of homosexuality.
No way. Do you think that women who are having their period are "unclean?" Check Leviticus. Do you think a man is "unclean" if he so much as touches a woman who is having her period? One of Jesus' main points was to clarify what was really important. The Pharisees were so focused on following the letter of the law that they missed the entire point of loving people, being servants of God, etc. I this man! Seriously, if the majority of christians followed the religion as truly as Moonbeam does, I'd never christian bash again! thanks for again reminding me what this fait is all about, Ian! | |
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Nikster said: I'm really really hoping that every woman who is associated with that group ends up having a gay kid.
. [This message was edited Wed Sep 17 1:27:31 PDT 2003 by Nikster] I say that to myself all the time. That's the only way that anyone who is so against gay folks will be able to understand. Obviously they can't "become" gay so if their children are gay and they can see for themselves that it isn't an idea they just come up with, then I think this is the only way for them to get it. | |
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Nep2nes said: It's all politics.
I'm tempted to agree with them. The media IS liberal, the Supreme Court always rules in favor of the liberals...our culture is dominated my liberal thought. As much as I HATE Fox News...every other news station presented the news in a liberal way, and from the moment most of us were born, the only news we heard was from a liberal viewpoint. That in mind, I think conservatives are fighting an uphill battle. I'm not as far right-wing as some people think, however most of my opinions tend to go right more than left. Yet I despise both Republicans and Democrats. I don't see the point of starting this thread. You believe homosexuals have the right to do what they want, but you whine and complain when a religious person writes an article against homosexuality? Why does this surprise you? I feel that the REAL hypocrites are the Jews, Christians, and Muslims who put on this facade that homosexuality is fine and dandy. Take one look at the book you're supposed to be following, and it wil tell you very clearly what to think about the subject of homosexuality. When you seek to stifle speech such as that found on this website, you threaten to stifle your own. Yet because most Prince fans are about as left wing as you can get, your thread will ultimately be very popular with the orgers, and I expect that. well Nep2nes SECOND comeback is going to turn out to be a very shortlived affair, indeed! | |
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and by the way, bigfoot, if homosexual isn't natural, why has it been found in nearly every species of bird and mammal on the planet? | |
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AaronMaximus said: well Nep2nes SECOND comeback is going to turn out to be a very shortlived affair, indeed!
This could be fun. | |
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Cloudbuster said: AaronMaximus said: well Nep2nes SECOND comeback is going to turn out to be a very shortlived affair, indeed!
This could be fun. could be! but fortunately for the sake of the longevity of my AaronMaximus account, i'm heading out the door for work and won't be back til late tonight. flames extinguished. | |
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00769BAD said: [slowly backing out of this thread, i know setup when i see it]
I can see the noose right on the other side of the door. :LOL: I GOT YA, I GOT YA, I GOT YA PUNKASS! REPEAT | |
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AaronMaximus said: well Nep2nes SECOND comeback is going to turn out to be a very shortlived affair, indeed!
I'm with ya. FREE THE 29 MAY 1993 COME CONFIGURATION!
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They reference the "Exodus" program in which gay people can be converted to heterosexuals through therapy and prayer.
This group had a video in which the pioneering founder explained how he had been awakened to the truth and found that he was able to change his sexuality. Years later, he came back out of the closet. I met this man personally and asked him about it. He told me that the only thing he ever changed was his behavior and that his sexuality remained unchanged during the whole process. He explained to me that he was so riddled with guilt, all heaped on him by the church, that he felt he had to go the route of therapy and prayer to fix himself. He admitted that he no longer felt that he needed to be fixed and he left the group. What's amazing about this kind of propaganda is how they paint us as defiling the family, having no values, disrespecting life. All of it totally and completely untrue. They are so frenzied about this kind of stuff that they imagine there is a whole agenda they need to fight. There is no such thing as a "gay" agenda, the agenda is human. The agenda is to live as equals without persecution. 2010: Healing the Wounds of the Past.... http://prince.org/msg/8/325740 | |
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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: They reference the "Exodus" program in which gay people can be converted to heterosexuals through therapy and prayer.
This group had a video in which the pioneering founder explained how he had been awakened to the truth and found that he was able to change his sexuality. Years later, he came back out of the closet. I met this man personally and asked him about it. He told me that the only thing he ever changed was his behavior and that his sexuality remained unchanged during the whole process. He explained to me that he was so riddled with guilt, all heaped on him by the church, that he felt he had to go the route of therapy and prayer to fix himself. He admitted that he no longer felt that he needed to be fixed and he left the group. What's amazing about this kind of propaganda is how they paint us as defiling the family, having no values, disrespecting life. All of it totally and completely untrue. They are so frenzied about this kind of stuff that they imagine there is a whole agenda they need to fight. There is no such thing as a "gay" agenda, the agenda is human. The agenda is to live as equals without persecution. As a former Catholic - where guilt trppin' is a way of life - I suspect that at least half of the priests and brothers I came into contact with were repressed gay men. Many, I'm sure, felt that the priesthood was their only choice. "When they tell me 2 walk a straight line, I put on crooked shoes" | |
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TheMax said: SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: They reference the "Exodus" program in which gay people can be converted to heterosexuals through therapy and prayer.
This group had a video in which the pioneering founder explained how he had been awakened to the truth and found that he was able to change his sexuality. Years later, he came back out of the closet. I met this man personally and asked him about it. He told me that the only thing he ever changed was his behavior and that his sexuality remained unchanged during the whole process. He explained to me that he was so riddled with guilt, all heaped on him by the church, that he felt he had to go the route of therapy and prayer to fix himself. He admitted that he no longer felt that he needed to be fixed and he left the group. What's amazing about this kind of propaganda is how they paint us as defiling the family, having no values, disrespecting life. All of it totally and completely untrue. They are so frenzied about this kind of stuff that they imagine there is a whole agenda they need to fight. There is no such thing as a "gay" agenda, the agenda is human. The agenda is to live as equals without persecution. As a former Catholic - where guilt trppin' is a way of life - I suspect that at least half of the priests and brothers I came into contact with were repressed gay men. Many, I'm sure, felt that the priesthood was their only choice. This was the option that was presented to me when I came out to my pastor and his wife. Forcing people into a corner in which they have to live a life that's not right for them undoubdetdly led to the Catholic sex abuse scandal. You have these men who have never engaged in healthy, consentual adult sexual relations and they turn to the only outlet they have. It's certainly no excuse but you would hope the church would realize that shaming people into living a lie only creates more problems. Would a believer rather us live our lives in the way we deem fit or live a lie and marry their daughters, have kids and ruin everyone's life when the innevitable happens and the man cheat on his wife or leave his family? They prefer the lie...it makes them feel better. 2010: Healing the Wounds of the Past.... http://prince.org/msg/8/325740 | |
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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: TheMax said: SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: They reference the "Exodus" program in which gay people can be converted to heterosexuals through therapy and prayer.
This group had a video in which the pioneering founder explained how he had been awakened to the truth and found that he was able to change his sexuality. Years later, he came back out of the closet. I met this man personally and asked him about it. He told me that the only thing he ever changed was his behavior and that his sexuality remained unchanged during the whole process. He explained to me that he was so riddled with guilt, all heaped on him by the church, that he felt he had to go the route of therapy and prayer to fix himself. He admitted that he no longer felt that he needed to be fixed and he left the group. What's amazing about this kind of propaganda is how they paint us as defiling the family, having no values, disrespecting life. All of it totally and completely untrue. They are so frenzied about this kind of stuff that they imagine there is a whole agenda they need to fight. There is no such thing as a "gay" agenda, the agenda is human. The agenda is to live as equals without persecution. As a former Catholic - where guilt trppin' is a way of life - I suspect that at least half of the priests and brothers I came into contact with were repressed gay men. Many, I'm sure, felt that the priesthood was their only choice. This was the option that was presented to me when I came out to my pastor and his wife. Forcing people into a corner in which they have to live a life that's not right for them undoubdetdly led to the Catholic sex abuse scandal. You have these men who have never engaged in healthy, consentual adult sexual relations and they turn to the only outlet they have. It's certainly no excuse but you would hope the church would realize that shaming people into living a lie only creates more problems. Would a believer rather us live our lives in the way we deem fit or live a lie and marry their daughters, have kids and ruin everyone's life when the innevitable happens and the man cheat on his wife or leave his family? They prefer the lie...it makes them feel better. well said, Supa. Unfortunately I have a friend who is that very position right now. He's gay and has just gone back to the church, so he's decided he's not going to be gay anymore. He's going to repress all feelings of sexuality and not have a relationship. He wants children and he's young (24). It gives me a heavy heart to think about the guilt he's feeling and nothing I say seems to have a bearing on the situation. He is devoted to God and yet has been convinced that God somehow sees him as being unclean. The way I see it is that's the way God made him. He's one of the most loving and sweet people I've ever met and I love him to bits. I wish he lived in a world where he could just be happy being himself. | |
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