ian would know a lot more about this than i do, cuz i wasn't on the org yet when it happened...i barely remember the whole of it now, except it wuz featured on the p-related faq's on the old org.

i do know that it resulted in a grandiose flame war, tho'...




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[This message was edited Mon Sep 8 16:50:32 PDT 2003 by Handclapsfingasnapz]

i was strictly a chatter at the time.


the forums sucked back then, and were beneath me.

so deja and ian mentioned the great org frito controversy a week or so ago, and i asked ian to tell me, but no one did. what the hell was it and what happened?

cborgman said:

The Fritos controversy took place on the old Prince Mailing List ("PML"), which ran from 1990 to 1995. More info is available here:

http://www.prince.org/faq/?f=11

i can only imagine how horrid the response was. how does one look up the choice responses?

> ---
> Date: Wed, 2 Aug 1995 09:55:59 -0800
> From: trodgers@euclid.ucsd.edu (Tony Rodgers)
> Subject: Good Life Maxi/MJ Dis
>
> Just picked up the Good Life Cd Maxi last night at Tower. They also had
> the 12" 4 those that are interested. Anyway, The track list is as
> follows:
>
> 1. The Good Life (Album Version) 5:45 100 beats per minute
> 2. The Good Life (Bullets Go Bang Remix) 5:14 99 bpm
> 3. The Good Life (Big City Rmix) 5:05 94 bpm
> 4. Free the Music (Non-Album Track) 1:47 94 bpm
> 5. Get Wild (In The House Remix) 6:14 121 bpm
> 6. Get Wild (Club Mix) 5:41 101 bpm
>
> I assume most people have or have heard track 1. Track 2 is on the
> smoothed out G-funk tip. It's pretty good. Track 3 is totally different,
> featuring Prince/Tora, Tora/O{+> on the mic, rapping. It's actually not
> bad, IMHO kind of reminds me of a relaxed LL Cool J. I was listened 2
> this track a few times last night and realized that he disses MJ.
>
> In part of his last verse, he states (female voice in parenthesis):
>
> Tell me now, what is hip (Example A)
> A skinny Black Nigga on the bass
> (Example B)
> Or somebody skipping around like they gettin' they ass whipped
> Here come the judge like Ito
> And just like Aretha with a sack of Fritos
> We funky till the Kingdom come
> Tito got your tissue son
> Before this MF's done
> Somebody going down and it won't be this 1
>
> I thought that was interesting. Brought me a laugh or 2. Anyway, track 4
> is a promo 4 "Exodus" much like "To Whom It May Concern" on the b-side of
> the "7" maxi was a promo 4 "O{+>". Track 5, the Get Wild house remix is
> decent but looses all the essence of the original groove. It kind of
> reminds me of how TMBGIW was turned into Beautiful. Track 6 is alright
> but not fabulous. It's essentially like the "Exodus" version but laid
> back. It has a slightly different arrangement and instrumentation. Now,
> I'm just waiting on " Hate U" then tGE.
>
> ~~~These R the Days of Wild~~~
>
> Tony
>
>
> ---
> PML824
> ---
>
> From: prince@camalott.com
> Date: Tue, 15 Aug 1995 08:38:40 +0500
> Subject: Prince Digest #823
>
> TO: newpowersoul@pi.net
> O+>Q: a sack of Fritos, it must be a snack of some sort. But what
> O+>exactly. Potato chips? One can hear the wrinkling of the bag. We
> O+>don't have it over here in Holland. We do have Chepotis and Chepitos,
> O+>but that's a different story. Not to mention the Flippos.
>
> Fritos are a toasted corn chip that looks similar to pork rinds (Do y'all
> have those over there!?) OK. They are little rectangular chips of corn
> that crinkle up when they are mads so they look all wrinkled. Now I don't
> wanna sound recist ('cause I'm NOT! I'm a member of a minority group in
> the states as well...) but Fritos are a typically Black snack with either
> salsa (chunky spicy sauce) or Bean Dip (A mashed pinto bean mush) (well
> the black people around here eat that alot anyway, maybe not nationally!)
> They give you very bad breath, BTW! If you have anymore Q's, just let me
> know, I'll be more than willing to help!
>
> ---
PML 826
> ---
>
> From: "Smith, Dwayne"
> Subject: Fritos description
> Date: Wed, 16 Aug 95 09:11:00 PDT
>
> Fair warning: This is a flame.
>
> On PML #824 prince@camalott.com wrote:
> >Fritos are a toasted corn chip that looks similar to pork rinds (Do y'all
> >have those over there!?) OK. They are little rectangular chips of corn
> >that crinkle up when they are mads so they look all wrinkled. Now I don't
> >wanna sound recist ('cause I'm NOT! I'm a member of a minority group in
> >the states as well...) but Fritos are a typically Black snack with either
> >salsa (chunky spicy sauce) or Bean Dip (A mashed pinto bean mush) (well
> >the black people around here eat that alot anyway, maybe not nationally!)
> >They give you very bad breath, BTW! If you have anymore Q's, just let me
> >know, I'll be more than willing to help!
>
> How in the HELL can Fritos be called a black snack? What the f * ck
> is wrong with you making such a wide sweeping racist remark like that?
> I'm very much angered by such a comment. Maybe you can speak for blacks
> where you live, but where I'm from (Washington, DC) blacks and whites eat
> Fritos. With a statement such as yours, you cannot be a credible source
> of information to someone in a foreign country. You needed to think about
> what you said before you put it on the list. Now can you imagine the
> impression that this person got from your short-sided, narrow-minded,
> racist, and all around stupid description? The person asked for a
> description of Fritos, not the type of person who eats them. You should
> have kept your racist comments to yourself. Maybe you don't consider
> yourself to be a racist, but those remarks certainly qualify you to be
> one. Also, just because you are a member of a "minority" group in the
> U.S. doesn't mean you cannot be a racist. Whoever you are, you need to
> get real.
>
>
> ---
> PML826
> ---
> From: "Church, Mark (LA)"
> Subject: What the ?!?!?!?
> Date: Wed, 16 Aug 95 20:20:00 edt
>
> >Fritos are a toasted corn chip that looks similar to pork rinds (Do y'all
> >have those over there!?) OK. They are little rectangular chips of corn
> >that crinkle up when they are mads so they look all wrinkled. Now I don't
> >wanna sound recist ('cause I'm NOT! I'm a member of a minority group in
> >the states as well...) but Fritos are a typically Black snack with either
> >salsa (chunky spicy sauce) or Bean Dip (A mashed pinto bean mush) (well
> >the black people around here eat that alot anyway, maybe not nationally!)
> >They give you very bad breath, BTW! If you have anymore Q's, just let me
> >know, I'll be more than willing to help!
>
> I won't claim you are a recist, because I don't know what one is. I would
> not call you a racist, because I don't know anything about you...but I
> would like to say that this is a TOTALLY ignorant and ridiculous
> statement. In fact it is downright silly. Maybe it was meant as a joke?
>
> I love fritos, but would never eat them with salsa (salsa is a hispanic
> dish BTW) or bean dip, but they are great with a tuna sandwich . Bad
> breath? At least the total ignorance extends beyond stereotypes and into
> food. Onions, garlic...sure. Fritos?
>
> Feel free to post any opinion you may have on O{+>, but please, please,
> please, keep your ridiculous and lame ideas about others to your foolish
> self. It might not be a bad idea to get out every now and then too. The
> world seems to be changing at a quicker pace then you may have
> realized...
>
> "We are the New Power Generation...We want to change the world...The only
> things that's in our way it YOU"
> -mark c.
>
> ---
> More from PML826
> ---
> Date: Thu, 17 Aug 95 08:45:40 EDT
> From: J Green
> Subject: fritos!
>
> >Fritos are a toasted corn chip that looks similar to pork rinds (Do y'all
> >have those over there!?) OK. They are little rectangular chips of corn
> >that crinkle up when they are mads so they look all wrinkled. Now I don't
> >wanna sound recist ('cause I'm NOT! I'm a member of a minority group in
> >the states as well...) but Fritos are a typically Black snack with either
> >salsa (chunky spicy sauce) or Bean Dip (A mashed pinto bean mush) (well
> >the black people around here eat that alot anyway, maybe not nationally!)
> >They give you very bad breath, BTW! If you have anymore Q's, just let me
> >know, I'll be more than willing to help!
>
> when i read this i was trying to decide if we just have different "fritos"
> where i live, RI is really different than ,
> or if this person was really just very confused
>
> 1. i grew up in a just-about-all-white neighborhood and we ate fritos from
> as far back as i can remember. they're in all the stores and quite
> commone here. the only reason i don't eat them much as an adult is cuz
> they're junk food and full of FAT!
> 2. i have lots of black friends now and i don't think i've ever seen one
> of them eat fritos.
> 3. i've never seen ANYONE eat them with salsa or bean dip on them
> (YUCK!). (WHERE are you from anyway??!!)
> 4. i wouldn't describe them quite like above (wrinkly? like a Shar-pei
> dog? but i give the person credit for trying to describe them
> 5. bad breathe? not compared to Doritos, garlic, Thai food, Chinese food,
> etc.
>
> i find the subjects here interesting, but i have to say that the frito and
> cherry subjects won the awards this week! (i'm not making fun of those
> who are not from the US and don't know the references, so please don't
> take it that way!)
>
> back to the music...
> j

This shit is comedy...even fritos turned into a racial debate lol...good to know this stuff was happening before I even thought of getting a computer lol..."a black snack" lol..whaaa?

This shit is comedy...even fritos turned into a racial debate lol...good to know this stuff was happening before I even thought of getting a computer lol..."a black snack" lol..whaaa?

rdhull said:

Fritos and Kool Aid, ya heard?!