jthad1129 said: Because Yoda knows that Luke has the hots for his sister, Leia. He must not let Luke know that HE knows of this forbidden fruit. Cave represents the dark depths of Leia's vagina. Luke must learn to be scared of the dark place and fear its mystical powers. The vaginal force is very strong but Luke must be trained that this is indeed part of the dark side, and a place he should never discover.
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Luke went into the cave cuz Yoda offered him candy...Yoda's really a dirty, old...ummm...whatever he is. He just uses that whole "Force" thing to entice young men into his...ahem...dark recesses (a bit of a gay sex joke there...you figure it out). | |
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erm, cause that's where Darth Tyranus is killed in the next film (possibly by Anakin/Vader).Residual traces of the dark side are there.
Luke must confront his fear and trust in himself, unfortunately he feels the need to take his weapons with him, despite Yoda's hint not to. The vision of himself as Vader is a result of not believing in himself, at this point, he's on a fine line in his training, he could go either way, good or evil. | |
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Natsume said: ian said: I always guessed it was a spiritual experience that helped Luke to realise that the dark side of Force is present inside everyone, and not to give in to it. When Luke struck down Darth Vader in the cave, he succumbed to his anger and desire for vengeance and so when he looked at the helmet he saw himself - therefore he had seen that giving in to feelings of anger and the dark side of the Force made him the same as Vader. Or something.
Or perhaps the Darth Vader that Luke struck down in the vision was merely a symbolic representation of the dark side of the Force inside of Luke. Basically a case of Luke "facing his demons". Alternatively, it could be prophetic of Luke's relationship with his father Darth Vader / Anakin Skywalker. As a literature major, I shit on your interpretation. I actually can't remember the movie, I just cut and pasted that shit from a Starwars site I found on Google. I want that mug! | |
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ian said: Natsume said: ian said: I always guessed it was a spiritual experience that helped Luke to realise that the dark side of Force is present inside everyone, and not to give in to it. When Luke struck down Darth Vader in the cave, he succumbed to his anger and desire for vengeance and so when he looked at the helmet he saw himself - therefore he had seen that giving in to feelings of anger and the dark side of the Force made him the same as Vader. Or something.
Or perhaps the Darth Vader that Luke struck down in the vision was merely a symbolic representation of the dark side of the Force inside of Luke. Basically a case of Luke "facing his demons". Alternatively, it could be prophetic of Luke's relationship with his father Darth Vader / Anakin Skywalker. As a literature major, I shit on your interpretation. I actually can't remember the movie, I just cut and pasted that shit from a Starwars site I found on Google. I want that mug! Can't remember Empire? It's only like, the best film ever! IMO. | |
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man...you guys suck Fear is the mind-killer. | |
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teller said: man...you guys suck
Why don't you award the mug to yourself smartypants? please, enlighten us with your interpretation. | |
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I don’t believe it has anything to do with the darkside or lightside (opposite of darkside?) of the force. The cave represents Luke’s young impressionable mind opened to his own imagination for exploration. Thus lukes physical penetration of a “cave” represents luke going into luke and having a poke around, if you will. The whole fear, leading to anger leading to darkside theory is bullshit. I believe it is simply an awakening associated with maturity, coming of age through self-awareness. A Luke’s-side visual representation of “why are we here”. Your question, therefore, of “Why did Yoda make Luke go into the cave?” is therefore made even more pertinent Happy is he who finds out the causes for things.Virgil (70-19 BC). Virgil was such a lying bastard! | |
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PREDOMINANT said: I don’t believe it has anything to do with the darkside or lightside (opposite of darkside?) of the force. The cave represents Luke’s young impressionable mind opened to his own imagination for exploration. Thus lukes physical penetration of a “cave” represents luke going into luke and having a poke around, if you will. The whole fear, leading to anger leading to darkside theory is bullshit. I believe it is simply an awakening associated with maturity, coming of age through self-awareness. A Luke’s-side visual representation of “why are we here”. Your question, therefore, of “Why did Yoda make Luke go into the cave?” is therefore made even more pertinent
Interesting...hadn't thought of it that way. Fear is the mind-killer. | |
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namepeace said: Luke cannot truly confront the Dark Side unless he becomes acquainted with it in a very real way: both in the cave and in himself. He confronts only what he takes with him. He takes a weapon. He confronts Vader, the Weapon of the Dark Side, and in so doing, confronts the potential for evil within himself.
And Yoda was tired of looking at him. One of the better answers... Fear is the mind-killer. | |
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Fear is the mind-killer. | |
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To find Batman? WHAT IF THERE IS NO TOMORROW? THERE WASN'T ONE TODAY! | |
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teller said: You shameless hussy! I will buy something from Skelecosm, gotta support Teller for when that dotcom he works for goes titsup.com! Can someone recommend something cool please! | |
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Marrk said: ian said: Natsume said: ian said: I always guessed it was a spiritual experience that helped Luke to realise that the dark side of Force is present inside everyone, and not to give in to it. When Luke struck down Darth Vader in the cave, he succumbed to his anger and desire for vengeance and so when he looked at the helmet he saw himself - therefore he had seen that giving in to feelings of anger and the dark side of the Force made him the same as Vader. Or something.
Or perhaps the Darth Vader that Luke struck down in the vision was merely a symbolic representation of the dark side of the Force inside of Luke. Basically a case of Luke "facing his demons". Alternatively, it could be prophetic of Luke's relationship with his father Darth Vader / Anakin Skywalker. As a literature major, I shit on your interpretation. I actually can't remember the movie, I just cut and pasted that shit from a Starwars site I found on Google. I want that mug! Can't remember Empire? It's only like, the best film ever! IMO. Ah but it was a million years ago. I can't even remember what I did last week, let alone some silly "cowboys n indians in space" movie from years ago | |
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ian said: Marrk said: ian said: Natsume said: ian said: I always guessed it was a spiritual experience that helped Luke to realise that the dark side of Force is present inside everyone, and not to give in to it. When Luke struck down Darth Vader in the cave, he succumbed to his anger and desire for vengeance and so when he looked at the helmet he saw himself - therefore he had seen that giving in to feelings of anger and the dark side of the Force made him the same as Vader. Or something.
Or perhaps the Darth Vader that Luke struck down in the vision was merely a symbolic representation of the dark side of the Force inside of Luke. Basically a case of Luke "facing his demons". Alternatively, it could be prophetic of Luke's relationship with his father Darth Vader / Anakin Skywalker. As a literature major, I shit on your interpretation. I actually can't remember the movie, I just cut and pasted that shit from a Starwars site I found on Google. I want that mug! Can't remember Empire? It's only like, the best film ever! IMO. Ah but it was a million years ago. I can't even remember what I did last week, let alone some silly "cowboys n indians in space" movie from years ago no, wait that's better! | |
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teller said: namepeace said: Luke cannot truly confront the Dark Side unless he becomes acquainted with it in a very real way: both in the cave and in himself. He confronts only what he takes with him. He takes a weapon. He confronts Vader, the Weapon of the Dark Side, and in so doing, confronts the potential for evil within himself.
And Yoda was tired of looking at him. One of the better answers... oh c'mon, 'acquainted with it in a real way' real dark side = real dark cave = inner child can't fight what you don't see, it's all mental. take 'dark side' out of the mix. When the visual and mental come together, things seem stronger or scarier than they really are. Your mind plays evil tricks. If you are blindfolded and someone places a taranchula in your hand but tells you its three caterpillars, its not nearly as scary. But if you see it, and someone tells you that it has deadly venom, its takes over your whole thinking process. David did beat Goliath with just one stone, but i think he had his eyes closed ---------------------------------
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jthad1129 said: teller said: namepeace said: Luke cannot truly confront the Dark Side unless he becomes acquainted with it in a very real way: both in the cave and in himself. He confronts only what he takes with him. He takes a weapon. He confronts Vader, the Weapon of the Dark Side, and in so doing, confronts the potential for evil within himself.
And Yoda was tired of looking at him. One of the better answers... oh c'mon, 'acquainted with it in a real way' real dark side = real dark cave = inner child can't fight what you don't see, it's all mental. take 'dark side' out of the mix. When the visual and mental come together, things seem stronger or scarier than they really are. Your mind plays evil tricks. If you are blindfolded and someone places a taranchula in your hand but tells you its three caterpillars, its not nearly as scary. But if you see it, and someone tells you that it has deadly venom, its takes over your whole thinking process. David did beat Goliath with just one stone, but i think he had his eyes closed well, keep in mind that the cave really is filled with dark energy--it's not an illusion. Fear is the mind-killer. | |
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teller said: jthad1129 said: teller said: namepeace said: Luke cannot truly confront the Dark Side unless he becomes acquainted with it in a very real way: both in the cave and in himself. He confronts only what he takes with him. He takes a weapon. He confronts Vader, the Weapon of the Dark Side, and in so doing, confronts the potential for evil within himself.
And Yoda was tired of looking at him. One of the better answers... oh c'mon, 'acquainted with it in a real way' real dark side = real dark cave = inner child can't fight what you don't see, it's all mental. take 'dark side' out of the mix. When the visual and mental come together, things seem stronger or scarier than they really are. Your mind plays evil tricks. If you are blindfolded and someone places a taranchula in your hand but tells you its three caterpillars, its not nearly as scary. But if you see it, and someone tells you that it has deadly venom, its takes over your whole thinking process. David did beat Goliath with just one stone, but i think he had his eyes closed well, keep in mind that the cave really is filled with dark energy--it's not an illusion. The cave is Lukes own mind, a blank template, evil or darkness represented by ignorance. Happy is he who finds out the causes for things.Virgil (70-19 BC). Virgil was such a lying bastard! | |
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I still say that it was all about Yoda's prized dildo. SUPERJOINT RITUAL - http://www.superjointritual.com
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IceNine said: I still say that it was all about Yoda's prized dildo.
The dildo theory is more plausible than some of the posts I've read so far. Fear is the mind-killer. | |
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to see if there were any Skeleton's
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teller said: Feel free to compare this scene with other mythologies.
Step outside the box a little... Does it have anything to do with this Teller? "The symbolic rebirth of Odysseus can be emphasized by the cave, which can be seen as a symbol of the womb, therefore making Odysseus' emergence from the cyclops's cave a true rebirth. The next example of the death and rebirth motif is a rather obvious one that has little symbolic inference: Odysseus' descent into the underworld in book XI. Homer uses many light and dark references to emphasize the death and rebirth theme in this book-- darkness symbolizing death and light symbolizing life and therefore rebirth." | |
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Lleena said: teller said: Feel free to compare this scene with other mythologies.
Step outside the box a little... Does it have anything to do with this Teller? "The symbolic rebirth of Odysseus can be emphasized by the cave, which can be seen as a symbol of the womb, therefore making Odysseus' emergence from the cyclops's cave a true rebirth. The next example of the death and rebirth motif is a rather obvious one that has little symbolic inference: Odysseus' descent into the underworld in book XI. Homer uses many light and dark references to emphasize the death and rebirth theme in this book-- darkness symbolizing death and light symbolizing life and therefore rebirth." Hi Llee! Well, that's not really what I was thinking of...but thanks for posting outside the box! Fear is the mind-killer. | |
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ok, way outside the box
http://www.apple.com/trai..._skeleton/ but look at the cool typestyle in the very last frame... oh no they didn't ---------------------------------
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teller said: Lleena said: teller said: Feel free to compare this scene with other mythologies.
Step outside the box a little... Does it have anything to do with this Teller? "The symbolic rebirth of Odysseus can be emphasized by the cave, which can be seen as a symbol of the womb, therefore making Odysseus' emergence from the cyclops's cave a true rebirth. The next example of the death and rebirth motif is a rather obvious one that has little symbolic inference: Odysseus' descent into the underworld in book XI. Homer uses many light and dark references to emphasize the death and rebirth theme in this book-- darkness symbolizing death and light symbolizing life and therefore rebirth." Hi Llee! Well, that's not really what I was thinking of...but thanks for posting outside the box! When you said mythology I automatically thought of Homer etc and then you said light and dark and I did a little research and this was the closest thing I came up with! Luke experiencing a rebirth after confronting his fears in the dark cave and I was also trying to find Greek mythtology related to the Father/son relationship. We'll get to the bottom of this somehow.. | |
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Lleena said: "The symbolic rebirth of Odysseus can be emphasized by the cave, which can be seen as a symbol of the womb, therefore making Odysseus' emergence from the cyclops's cave a true rebirth.
But... we didn't see Luke emerge from the cave and his experience certainly wasn't triumphant like Odysseus' was. So I don't buy this theory in relation to Empire. After all, following his experience in the cave, Luke had apparently learned nothing and remained headstrong and impatient as demonstrated by him interrupting his training to go to Cloud City to help his friends, even though Yoda had insisted that he could not help them. And he couldn't. His friends ended up helping him. So I really don't see there having been any "rebirth" for Luke. The Cave (Rebirth Edit) (5:55) [This message was edited Tue Sep 9 10:20:41 PDT 2003 by scififilmnerd] FREE THE 29 MAY 1993 COME CONFIGURATION!
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jthad1129 said: ok, way outside the box
http://www.apple.com/trai..._skeleton/ but look at the cool typestyle in the very last frame... oh no they didn't I feel kinda violated... Fear is the mind-killer. | |
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So he could poo in private? | |
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To embrace the darkness and learn from it? | |
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To escape Teller's ugly mug? | |
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