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Thread started 09/08/03 7:33am

teller

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Why did Yoda make Luke go into that dark cave?

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Best answer wins a Skele-Jedi mug. nod

By the way, this is not a trivia question, but a philosophical one. I want your interpretation.



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Reply #1 posted 09/08/03 7:36am

Byron

Umm...for coffee?
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Reply #2 posted 09/08/03 7:38am

Teacher

Cos he, like Prince, is a sadistic little freak who pick on others cos they have anxieties because of their shortness? biggrin

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Reply #3 posted 09/08/03 7:38am

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to face your darkest fears, you most.
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Reply #4 posted 09/08/03 7:38am

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I dunno but I want that mug!
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Reply #5 posted 09/08/03 7:38am

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Because it was written in the script.
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Reply #6 posted 09/08/03 7:41am

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Because a swamp dog ran off with his best dildo and he didn't want to go in that crappy cave to look for it?
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Reply #7 posted 09/08/03 7:41am

ian

So he could "choke the Chewbacca"

So he could "waggle his wookie"

Okay I've run out of crappy euphemisms for wanking. Plus, I don't really remember that scene you are talking about sad
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Reply #8 posted 09/08/03 8:44am

teller

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Smart-asses...

By the way, this is not a trivia question, but a philosophical one. I want your interpretation.
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Reply #9 posted 09/08/03 8:52am

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Cuz being a jedi is not about the East side. It's not about the West side. It's about the DARK side...
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Reply #10 posted 09/08/03 9:04am

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teller said:

Smart-asses...

By the way, this is not a trivia question, but a philosophical one. I want your interpretation.


Fear is the path to the dark side.
Fear leads to anger.
Anger leads to hate.
Hate leads to suffering."

1.luke has fears concerning fathers death
2.if luke finds out about father in the wrong manner,leads to anger
3.this anger will build into hate
4.bringing him to the dark side,suffering
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Reply #11 posted 09/08/03 9:04am

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ladymisskat said:

Cuz being a jedi is not about the East side. It's not about the West side. It's about the DARK side...



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Reply #12 posted 09/08/03 9:06am

ian

I always guessed it was a spiritual experience that helped Luke to realise that the dark side of Force is present inside everyone, and not to give in to it. When Luke struck down Darth Vader in the cave, he succumbed to his anger and desire for vengeance and so when he looked at the helmet he saw himself - therefore he had seen that giving in to feelings of anger and the dark side of the Force made him the same as Vader. Or something.

Or perhaps the Darth Vader that Luke struck down in the vision was merely a symbolic representation of the dark side of the Force inside of Luke. Basically a case of Luke "facing his demons".

Alternatively, it could be prophetic of Luke's relationship with his father Darth Vader / Anakin Skywalker.
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Reply #13 posted 09/08/03 9:07am

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so does the funniest answer win or the deepest answer, because I WANT THAT MUG!!
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Reply #14 posted 09/08/03 9:11am

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deep answer:

yoda sends him in so that luke will realize that the dark side and the light side are always at war with one another within ones' self. when luke destroys vader, he has given in to the dark side and allowed his anger and rage to clout his vision. when he sees himself in vader's helmet, he realizes that his rage is turning him into vader, and that he must learn to take the path of light.
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Reply #15 posted 09/08/03 9:12am

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funny answer:

complete darkness is the only way he gonna get that boy to give him head. who would blow an ancient muppet if they could see his face and body?

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Reply #16 posted 09/08/03 9:13am

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Yoda intends to knock him out and have his way with him?
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Reply #17 posted 09/08/03 9:31am

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Because Yoda knows that Luke has the hots for his sister, Leia. He must not let Luke know that HE knows of this forbidden fruit. Cave represents the dark depths of Leia's vagina. Luke must learn to be scared of the dark place and fear its mystical powers. The vaginal force is very strong but Luke must be trained that this is indeed part of the dark side, and a place he should never discover.
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Reply #18 posted 09/08/03 10:11am

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jthad1129 said:

Because Yoda knows that Luke has the hots for his sister, Leia. He must not let Luke know that HE knows of this forbidden fruit. Cave represents the dark depths of Leia's vagina. Luke must learn to be scared of the dark place and fear its mystical powers. The vaginal force is very strong but Luke must be trained that this is indeed part of the dark side, and a place he should never discover.

:LOL: That's the funniest so far...

But no, I'm not awarding the prize for humour unless I'm rolling on the floor so bad that I can no longer comprehend any "serious" answers...
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Reply #19 posted 09/08/03 11:44am

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Luke cannot truly confront the Dark Side unless he becomes acquainted with it in a very real way: both in the cave and in himself. He confronts only what he takes with him. He takes a weapon. He confronts Vader, the Weapon of the Dark Side, and in so doing, confronts the potential for evil within himself.

And Yoda was tired of looking at him.
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Reply #20 posted 09/08/03 12:15pm

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Look, guys. Your philosophical musings about Luke's experience in the tree/cave are all very interesting, but that wasn't the question.


teller said:

Why did Yoda make Luke go into that dark cave?


Because at the end of one of their training sessions in the ways of the Force, Luke sensed darkness/evil emanating from that place. Yoda said Luke had to go there to confront his darkest fears. Possibly, this was part of the training program and with Luke having brought up the subject on his own, Yoda figured they might as well just get that lesson over with and sent him along.
Apparently, Luke's darkest fear was facing Lord Darth Vader.
The part of him seeing his own face underneath the mask can be interpretated in many ways - his darkest fear was really to succomb to the Dark Side and himself become the one thing that he feared the most.
It might have been a hint from the Force of Darth Vader actually being Luke's father - the danger of "like father, like son." This was also hinted at in Return of the Jedi, were Luke gives in to his anger and cuts Vader's arm off and realizes that they are alike. In fact, this whole cave scene in Empire might be a premonition of what actually happened in Jedi - Luke seeing himself in Darth Vader as well as realizing the danger of becoming just like Vader. And that realization is his saving grace in Jedi.

Well... whaddaya think? It makes sense and adds purpose to the scene in the overall scheme.
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Reply #21 posted 09/08/03 12:22pm

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namepeace said:

Luke cannot truly confront the Dark Side unless he becomes acquainted with it in a very real way: both in the cave and in himself. He confronts only what he takes with him. He takes a weapon. He confronts Vader, the Weapon of the Dark Side, and in so doing, confronts the potential for evil within himself.


Oh, right. That's true. You can add that part to my explanation as well. lol
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Reply #22 posted 09/08/03 12:33pm

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mcyesse said:


to face your darkest fears, you most.

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Reply #23 posted 09/08/03 12:35pm

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Feel free to compare this scene with other mythologies.

Step outside the box a little...
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Reply #24 posted 09/08/03 12:36pm

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To save Harry Potter! rolleyes Duh!
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Reply #25 posted 09/08/03 12:42pm

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...2 get 2 the other side.
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Reply #26 posted 09/08/03 1:39pm

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mcyesse said:




It appears that someone found the dildo.
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Reply #27 posted 09/08/03 3:01pm

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Luke was just getting on his last nerve and Yoda had to go take a poop in the swamp.

That might be the bigger question. Why do we never see any character taking care or their business? In a galaxy far far away, do they go in caves to poop?
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Reply #28 posted 09/09/03 3:11am

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pfft...some lot you people are...is this all?
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Reply #29 posted 09/09/03 3:29am

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ian said:

I always guessed it was a spiritual experience that helped Luke to realise that the dark side of Force is present inside everyone, and not to give in to it. When Luke struck down Darth Vader in the cave, he succumbed to his anger and desire for vengeance and so when he looked at the helmet he saw himself - therefore he had seen that giving in to feelings of anger and the dark side of the Force made him the same as Vader. Or something.

Or perhaps the Darth Vader that Luke struck down in the vision was merely a symbolic representation of the dark side of the Force inside of Luke. Basically a case of Luke "facing his demons".

Alternatively, it could be prophetic of Luke's relationship with his father Darth Vader / Anakin Skywalker.

As a literature major, I shit on your interpretation.




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