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Printable32Flavors said: crazyhorse said: We are talking real life situations here right?Because if its about this place or whatever thats a whole different tamale.
We are speaking on general principle here. No need to confine or speculate. I have just found myself in a position of uncovering some lies that a certain individual should have known would be found out. I was just curious as to the response around here. Why around here? | |
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AnotherLoverToo said: liberation said: AnotherLoverToo said: This is a
 Not at all, it's not intended as a flame, the original post was about why people lie. But has evolved into something apparently much deeper. I find the replies interesting, it is about lying and why people do it, some of these response could be from a personal perspective. Conscious or not, replies can say more about the person respnding then the actual question, thus i was not flaming at all...but just curious as to some of the responses. Ok, based on yours and theC's answers, I can see how this was meant now and I apologize. I've gotten too used to seeing C take the heat!  Tru dat. But i have learned to keep this place in perspective. Peeps will hurt you if you let them. I only worry about the things in my day to day life in the real world. I use this as a place to learn things. Kinda like an interactive movie with some education thrown im. I GOT YA, I GOT YA, I GOT YA PUNKASS! REPEAT | |
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JDINTERACTIVE said: 32Flavors said: crazyhorse said: We are talking real life situations here right?Because if its about this place or whatever thats a whole different tamale.
We are speaking on general principle here. No need to confine or speculate. I have just found myself in a position of uncovering some lies that a certain individual should have known would be found out. I was just curious as to the response around here. Why around here? Why not? I had never created a thread before and thought I would do so with this certain topic. So far the response has been wonderfully intellectual, deep and real. I also figured it is a very valid topic. It is as valid as what color panties I wear or what song I am listening to. | |
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AnotherLoverToo said: Gotcha--like I just said to liberation, I think I'm too used to seeing you get poked and prodded round here!
Hey...you guys have it easy, y'all don't know about being poked and prodded online. "Waiting to be banned" | |
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32Flavors said: crazyhorse said: We are talking real life situations here right?Because if its about this place or whatever thats a whole different tamale.
We are speaking on general principle here. No need to confine or speculate. I have just found myself in a position of uncovering some lies that a certain individual should have known would be found out. I was just curious as to the response around here. His point above is even more valid now, you said "curious to the response around here", as opposed to the real world, offline. Thus it is very easy to speculate that this has in fact something to do with someone on the internet. Which raises a whole new set of questions. "Waiting to be banned" | |
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liberation said: AnotherLoverToo said: Gotcha--like I just said to liberation, I think I'm too used to seeing you get poked and prodded round here!
Hey...you guys have it easy, y'all don't know about being poked and prodded online.   | |
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32Flavors--I also feel the need to ask for clarification of the types of lies you're speaking of. I mean, there are "white lies" (being polite) and "sins of omission" (not saying anything at all when you probably should).
I think "intent" is important to consider with lying. | |
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liberation said: 32Flavors said: crazyhorse said: We are talking real life situations here right?Because if its about this place or whatever thats a whole different tamale.
We are speaking on general principle here. No need to confine or speculate. I have just found myself in a position of uncovering some lies that a certain individual should have known would be found out. I was just curious as to the response around here. His point above is even more valid now, you said "curious to the response around here", as opposed to the real world, offline. Thus it is very easy to speculate that this has in fact something to do with someone on the internet. Which raises a whole new set of questions. Read into it what you may. My question is valid and honestly I cannot see how offline or online would be an issue. A pattern is a pattern is a pattern. Libs, it is not about you, honestly. | |
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liberation said: AnotherLoverToo said: Gotcha--like I just said to liberation, I think I'm too used to seeing you get poked and prodded round here!
Hey...you guys have it easy, y'all don't know about being poked and prodded online.  I know a good deal about that very thing, actually! Not just "poked and prodded", either, but hammered and bludgeoned and accused of amazing things! I've got some great scars and callouses, though! | |
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liberation said: His point above is even more valid now, you said "curious to the response around here", as opposed to the real world, offline. Thus it is very easy to speculate that this has in fact something to do with someone on the internet. Which raises a whole new set of questions. I interpreted 32Flavors as meaning she'd already had this discussion in the "real world", and was now interested in responses in this forum...? | |
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AnotherLoverToo said: 32Flavors--I also feel the need to ask for clarification of the types of lies you're speaking of. I mean, there are "white lies" (being polite) and "sins of omission" (not saying anything at all when you probably should).
I think "intent" is important to consider with lying. Easily done. I am not speaking in regards to white lies. I am speaking on a deeply rooted behavior patterns of lying. Lying to get attention, lying to manipulate, lying to gain something by any means available.When one preys on the kindness and sympathy of people that surround them. I was most curious as to why people think others lie when the lies can be found out. | |
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AnotherLoverToo said: liberation said: His point above is even more valid now, you said "curious to the response around here", as opposed to the real world, offline. Thus it is very easy to speculate that this has in fact something to do with someone on the internet. Which raises a whole new set of questions. I interpreted 32Flavors as meaning she'd already had this discussion in the "real world", and was now interested in responses in this forum...? You got it!  | |
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32Flavors said: Read into it what you may. My question is valid and honestly I cannot see how offline or online would be an issue. A pattern is a pattern is a pattern. Libs, it is not about you, honestly.
 who said it was about me?, i know it isin't. We don't know each other in any real capacity online or off for it to be about me.
You know...in recent days i've had people Orgnote me and ask if i am talking about them or refering to them/me. It's getting crazy now...i'm not some freakin' special agent trained in playing mind games. Jezz.  "Waiting to be banned" | |
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AnotherLoverToo said:I know a good deal about that very thing, actually! Not just "poked and prodded", either, but hammered and bludgeoned and accused of amazing things! I've got some great scars and callouses, though! [/quote]
Indeed, people have been acting crazy the last few days, is there some bug going about? "Waiting to be banned" | |
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liberation said: 32Flavors said: Read into it what you may. My question is valid and honestly I cannot see how offline or online would be an issue. A pattern is a pattern is a pattern. Libs, it is not about you, honestly.
who said it was about me?, i know it isin't. We don't know each other in any real capacity online or off for it to be about me.
You know...in recent days i've had people Orgnote me and ask if i am talking about them or refering to them/me. It's getting crazy now...i'm not some freakin' special agent trained in playing mind games. Jezz.
I was joking with you, libs. I really appreciate your input on this thread.  | |
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32Flavors said: I am not speaking in regards to white lies. I am speaking on a deeply rooted behavior patterns of lying.
Lying to get attention, lying to manipulate, lying to gain something by any means available.When one preys on the kindness and sympathy of people that surround them. I was most curious as to why people think others lie when the lies can be found out. Cut them lose, don't debate it and drive yourself mad. Just cut them out of your life. "Waiting to be banned" | |
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AnotherLoverToo said:I know a good deal about that very thing, actually! Not just "poked and prodded", either, but hammered and bludgeoned and accused of amazing things! I've got some great scars and callouses, though!
Indeed, people have been acting crazy the last few days, is there some bug going about?[/quote] "Waiting to be banned" | |
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I'll admit that I've told a few lies and I know now that it was wrong, in the long run it did nothing but cause problems, always be honest with yourself and others, cause the man up above is watching.  | |
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why not? | |
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AaronSuperior said: why not?
Fair answer. So, lets say you lie. Are you then comfortable with being called out on it? Even though you have put much energy into this behavior? Would it bother you that this will change how others feel about you? | |
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I find it important to take a look in the mirror when a thread like this comes up, because it's so easy to come on here and act like yo shit don't stank So...
Something else which has occurred to me while reading this thread is that I think it's especially important to evaluate only that which has affected me personally, as far as lies go. I have made the mistake in real life, as well as on the internet, of listening to gossip and forming opinions of people based upon that gossip, rather than direct interaction with that person. This in turn has led me to say or do unkind things, believing I was doing what was "right" and defending someone I cared about/being loyal. In other words--I am trying to learn that (though I am a social worker and advocate) I am not here to "help" or "save" other people, or to call out their "enemies" on the supposed lies someone has told me about. I need to make up my own mind based upon direct contact with others, not based upon what someone has told me. | |
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A lier is a thief.
In the telling of the lie they steal from you a belief. (ie. you believe whut you're hearing from them) If the lie is discovered you find that they have also stole your trust. The lier (liar) has a need to take from you you being equal to them, they steal your level playing field making themselves, for a time, superior to you as far as information goes. For them it may seem a feather in their cap. The prollum is that these liars forget that to enforce the lie they must continue to lie, because in one truth they are at risk of exposing all truth of lies told. Look at the various slipups here on the org. They seem so knowledgable and true then suddenly you're wondering "where did that come from?" Upon excusing it as a minor slipup you find that again you askin "DAMN, where does this shit keep commin from?" 'Til finaly all you can do is understand that this is that true person and all else was garbage and lies. As a child I was both a liar and a thief and continued to be so 'til a lot later in life (a lot later) but it has helped me to understand whut it is they do whereas back then i had no clue whut it was I was actualy doing to people. I AM King BAD a.k.a. BAD,
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AnotherLoverToo said: I find it important to take a look in the mirror when a thread like this comes up, because it's so easy to come on here and act like yo shit don't stank
So...
Something else which has occurred to me while reading this thread is that I think it's especially important to evaluate only that which has affected me personally, as far as lies go. I have made the mistake in real life, as well as on the internet, of listening to gossip and forming opinions of people based upon that gossip, rather than direct interaction with that person. This in turn has led me to say or do unkind things, believing I was doing what was "right" and defending someone I cared about/being loyal. In other words--I am trying to learn that (though I am a social worker and advocate) I am not here to "help" or "save" other people, or to call out their "enemies" on the supposed lies someone has told me about. I need to make up my own mind based upon direct contact with others, not based upon what someone has told me. Beautiful. What a wonderful reminder. Great advice! | |
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AnotherLoverToo said: I find it important to take a look in the mirror when a thread like this comes up, because it's so easy to come on here and act like yo shit don't stank
So...
Something else which has occurred to me while reading this thread is that I think it's especially important to evaluate only that which has affected me personally, as far as lies go. I have made the mistake in real life, as well as on the internet, of listening to gossip and forming opinions of people based upon that gossip, rather than direct interaction with that person. This in turn has led me to say or do unkind things, believing I was doing what was "right" and defending someone I cared about/being loyal. In other words--I am trying to learn that (though I am a social worker and advocate) I am not here to "help" or "save" other people, or to call out their "enemies" on the supposed lies someone has told me about. I need to make up my own mind based upon direct contact with others, not based upon what someone has told me. it always takes me so long to type shit. I AM King BAD a.k.a. BAD,
YOU EITHER WANNA BE ME, OR BE JUST LIKE ME ™ | |
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00769BAD said: A lier is a thief.
In the telling of the lie they steal from you a belief. (ie. you believe whut you're hearing from them) If the lie is discovered you find that they have also stole your trust. The lier (liar) has a need to take from you you being equal to them, they steal your level playing field making themselves, for a time, superior to you as far as information goes. For them it may seem a feather in their cap. The prollum is that these liars forget that to enforce the lie they must continue to lie, because in one truth they are at risk of exposing all truth of lies told. Look at the various slipups here on the org. They seem so knowledgable and true then suddenly you're wondering "where did that come from?" Upon excusing it as a minor slipup you find that again you askin "DAMN, where does this shit keep commin from?" 'Til finaly all you can do is understand that this is that true person and all else was garbage and lies. As a child I was both a liar and a thief and continued to be so 'til a lot later in life (a lot later) but it has helped me to understand whut it is they do whereas back then i had no clue whut it was I was actualy doing to people. Bad | |
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00769BAD said: it always takes me so long to type shit. Hi, SweetCheeks! That's ok it takes you so long, it's usually worth our wait | |
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32Flavors said: Beautiful. What a wonderful reminder. Great advice! That said, if I hear the same things about someone from enough people, I'm going to keep that info in the back of my head! I'm not that crazy!  | |
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AnotherLoverToo said: I find it important to take a look in the mirror when a thread like this comes up, because it's so easy to come on here and act like yo shit don't stank
So...
Something else which has occurred to me while reading this thread is that I think it's especially important to evaluate only that which has affected me personally, as far as lies go. I have made the mistake in real life, as well as on the internet, of listening to gossip and forming opinions of people based upon that gossip, rather than direct interaction with that person. This in turn has led me to say or do unkind things, believing I was doing what was "right" and defending someone I cared about/being loyal. In other words--I am trying to learn that (though I am a social worker and advocate) I am not here to "help" or "save" other people, or to call out their "enemies" on the supposed lies someone has told me about. I need to make up my own mind based upon direct contact with others, not based upon what someone has told me. God damn you make alot of sense, give your moms a kiss for making you apart of our planet. "Waiting to be banned" | |
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00769BAD said: A lier is a thief.
In the telling of the lie they steal from you a belief. (ie. you believe whut you're hearing from them) If the lie is discovered you find that they have also stole your trust. The lier (liar) has a need to take from you you being equal to them, they steal your level playing field making themselves, for a time, superior to you as far as information goes. For them it may seem a feather in their cap. The prollum is that these liars forget that to enforce the lie they must continue to lie, because in one truth they are at risk of exposing all truth of lies told. Look at the various slipups here on the org. They seem so knowledgable and true then suddenly you're wondering "where did that come from?" Upon excusing it as a minor slipup you find that again you askin "DAMN, where does this shit keep commin from?" 'Til finaly all you can do is understand that this is that true person and all else was garbage and lies. As a child I was both a liar and a thief and continued to be so 'til a lot later in life (a lot later) but it has helped me to understand whut it is they do whereas back then i had no clue whut it was I was actualy doing to people. Well said man... | |
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AnotherLoverToo said: 32Flavors said: Beautiful. What a wonderful reminder. Great advice! That said, if I hear the same things about someone from enough people, I'm going to keep that info in the back of my head! I'm not that crazy! You spake wisdom, gurl. | |
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