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cborgman said: of course, sugar. check out my new sig in a few minutes
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scififilmnerd said: cborgman said: of course, sugar. check out my new sig in a few minutes
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cborgman said: look at my signature at the bottom of my posts.
Now look at mine, Cborgman 
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scififilmnerd said: cborgman said: look at my signature at the bottom of my posts.
Now look at mine, Cborgman
Can't get more official than that... awww... you are too cute!  Power tends to corrupt; absolute power corrupts absolutely. - Lord Acton | |
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cborgman said: www... you are too cute!
No, no... The pleasure's all mine.
And we MUST continue this tomorrow at some time, but now I really, REALLY have to go to bed, because I DO have an early day tomorrow. Dunno what time it is in your part of the world, but here it is almost midnight. Also, you have to call DigitalLisa? When you get so far as to sleep yourself, I hope you have some very nice dreams. I know *I* will. FREE THE 29 MAY 1993 COME CONFIGURATION!
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scififilmnerd said: cborgman said: www... you are too cute!
No, no... The pleasure's all mine.
And we MUST continue this tomorrow at some time, but now I really, REALLY have to go to bed, because I DO have an early day tomorrow. Dunno what time it is in your part of the world, but here it is almost midnight. Also, you have to call DigitalLisa? When you get so far as to sleep yourself, I hope you have some very nice dreams. I know *I* will. sooo precious. It is only 5 here. man, what is it with me and foreign men? sleep well, poober. 
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cborgman said: sooo precious. It is only 5 here. man, what is it with me and foreign men?
sleep well, poober.
"Poober"? What's a "poober"? 
Something nice, I take it... ? [This message was edited Thu Aug 21 14:56:43 PDT 2003 by scififilmnerd] So tired, I can't get them Emoticons right... [This message was edited Thu Aug 21 14:57:45 PDT 2003 by scififilmnerd] FREE THE 29 MAY 1993 COME CONFIGURATION!
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scififilmnerd said: cborgman said: sooo precious. It is only 5 here. man, what is it with me and foreign men?
sleep well, poober.
"Poober"? What's a "poober"?
Something nice, I take it... ? [This message was edited Thu Aug 21 14:56:43 PDT 2003 by scififilmnerd] So tired, I can't get them Emoticons right... [This message was edited Thu Aug 21 14:57:45 PDT 2003 by scififilmnerd] term of affection, like pooky, honey, sweety, etc Power tends to corrupt; absolute power corrupts absolutely. - Lord Acton | |
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cborgman said: term of affection, like pooky, honey, sweety, etc
Oh, okay. Well... Goodnight, then. Even if it's still early for you...
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cborgman said: tackam said: cborgman said: scififilmnerd said: cborgman said: You are still my scififilmcutie.
and I need to be somebody's baby, dammit. this org whore schtick gets tiring. What? You would give up being the Org Whore just for me?
"Scififilmnerd - baby of the president of the Gay Org Mafia"? Sounds good to me  hee hee. I sooo need a sweetheart. cloudbuster don't seem to like me no more  If only you weren't a big ol' queer, I'd sign up. 
 awww... a big qeer does enjoy having his booty grabbed though, regardless. care to?  Oh, most certainly. Hell, I'd settle for a hug and a kiss. Booty action would be bonus. | |
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tackam said: applekisses said: tackam said: applekisses said: langebleu said: applekisses said: I'm not condoning it, but it's just a backlash to the patriarchal society we live in and healthy for starting a balance. You are not condoning it - but you say it's healthy?Sure, in a way it is... So, the way to make women and men equal isn't just to lift women up, it's to put men down? Disagree. Well, I think it's a first step to pointing out the bad behaviors that men have gotten away with for so long. It's a way for women to assert themselves. That's not bad. It's part of a process that, hopefully, will lead to empowerment for all. I agree with you that calling out the individual behaviors is important, and that people shouldn't put up with abusive, dishonest, or inconsiderate behavior from their partners. I just don't think that any statement along the lines of, "why do men (insert nasty thing here)?" is going to do anybody any good, and it's insulting to the many beautiful men out there who would never dream of treating people that way. I'm privelidged to have several such men in my life. (Lisa, Chris, nice to see you taking care of each other.  )Yes, you're right about the sweeping statements, but when so many men are displaying the same, or similar behaviors it's easy to lump them together. I just hope the wonderful ones know that they don't belong in that group. Perhaps a qualifier would help...even it's something simple like 'why do SOME men...(blah blah)?' | |
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applekisses said: tackam said: applekisses said: tackam said: applekisses said: langebleu said: applekisses said: I'm not condoning it, but it's just a backlash to the patriarchal society we live in and healthy for starting a balance. You are not condoning it - but you say it's healthy?Sure, in a way it is... So, the way to make women and men equal isn't just to lift women up, it's to put men down? Disagree. Well, I think it's a first step to pointing out the bad behaviors that men have gotten away with for so long. It's a way for women to assert themselves. That's not bad. It's part of a process that, hopefully, will lead to empowerment for all. I agree with you that calling out the individual behaviors is important, and that people shouldn't put up with abusive, dishonest, or inconsiderate behavior from their partners. I just don't think that any statement along the lines of, "why do men (insert nasty thing here)?" is going to do anybody any good, and it's insulting to the many beautiful men out there who would never dream of treating people that way. I'm privelidged to have several such men in my life. (Lisa, Chris, nice to see you taking care of each other. )Yes, you're right about the sweeping statements, but when so many men are displaying the same, or similar behaviors it's easy to lump them together. I just hope the wonderful ones know that they don't belong in that group. Perhaps a qualifier would help...even it's something simple like 'why do SOME men...(blah blah)?' Easy, but fair? Yeah, a qualifier would help. . ."Why do some men (blah blah), and why do their partners put up with it?" might be even better. . . there are problems on both sides of the equation, and they aren't small simple problems, they are big social problems. (thanks for keeping at this, I know I can be a pain to argue with ) | |
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tackam said: applekisses said: tackam said: applekisses said: tackam said: applekisses said: langebleu said: applekisses said: I'm not condoning it, but it's just a backlash to the patriarchal society we live in and healthy for starting a balance. You are not condoning it - but you say it's healthy?Sure, in a way it is... So, the way to make women and men equal isn't just to lift women up, it's to put men down? Disagree. Well, I think it's a first step to pointing out the bad behaviors that men have gotten away with for so long. It's a way for women to assert themselves. That's not bad. It's part of a process that, hopefully, will lead to empowerment for all. I agree with you that calling out the individual behaviors is important, and that people shouldn't put up with abusive, dishonest, or inconsiderate behavior from their partners. I just don't think that any statement along the lines of, "why do men (insert nasty thing here)?" is going to do anybody any good, and it's insulting to the many beautiful men out there who would never dream of treating people that way. I'm privelidged to have several such men in my life. (Lisa, Chris, nice to see you taking care of each other. )Yes, you're right about the sweeping statements, but when so many men are displaying the same, or similar behaviors it's easy to lump them together. I just hope the wonderful ones know that they don't belong in that group. Perhaps a qualifier would help...even it's something simple like 'why do SOME men...(blah blah)?' Easy, but fair? Yeah, a qualifier would help. . ."Why do some men (blah blah), and why do their partners put up with it?" might be even better. . . there are problems on both sides of the equation, and they aren't small simple problems, they are big social problems. (thanks for keeping at this, I know I can be a pain to argue with ) No, honey... I'm learning a lot and you've been really wonderful about it...representing your point without getting all hot and bothered I love you for it
I agree that there are a lot of people out there that put up with terrible behavior from their partners (women or men) but, then there are the times when someone does something shitty and their partner doesn't put up with it and either kicks them to the curb or tells them to shape up. The behavior still exists no matter what. I've been reminded that I'm not 'perfect' and cheated on by different men...of course I ended the relationship or corrected the behavior...but, the wound is still there even though I didn't put up with the behavior. | |
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applekisses said: tackam said: applekisses said: tackam said: applekisses said: tackam said: applekisses said: langebleu said: applekisses said: I'm not condoning it, but it's just a backlash to the patriarchal society we live in and healthy for starting a balance. You are not condoning it - but you say it's healthy?Sure, in a way it is... So, the way to make women and men equal isn't just to lift women up, it's to put men down? Disagree. Well, I think it's a first step to pointing out the bad behaviors that men have gotten away with for so long. It's a way for women to assert themselves. That's not bad. It's part of a process that, hopefully, will lead to empowerment for all. I agree with you that calling out the individual behaviors is important, and that people shouldn't put up with abusive, dishonest, or inconsiderate behavior from their partners. I just don't think that any statement along the lines of, "why do men (insert nasty thing here)?" is going to do anybody any good, and it's insulting to the many beautiful men out there who would never dream of treating people that way. I'm privelidged to have several such men in my life. (Lisa, Chris, nice to see you taking care of each other. )Yes, you're right about the sweeping statements, but when so many men are displaying the same, or similar behaviors it's easy to lump them together. I just hope the wonderful ones know that they don't belong in that group. Perhaps a qualifier would help...even it's something simple like 'why do SOME men...(blah blah)?' Easy, but fair? Yeah, a qualifier would help. . ."Why do some men (blah blah), and why do their partners put up with it?" might be even better. . . there are problems on both sides of the equation, and they aren't small simple problems, they are big social problems. (thanks for keeping at this, I know I can be a pain to argue with ) No, honey... I'm learning a lot and you've been really wonderful about it...representing your point without getting all hot and bothered I love you for it
I agree that there are a lot of people out there that put up with terrible behavior from their partners (women or men) but, then there are the times when someone does something shitty and their partner doesn't put up with it and either kicks them to the curb or tells them to shape up. The behavior still exists no matter what. I've been reminded that I'm not 'perfect' and cheated on by different men...of course I ended the relationship or corrected the behavior...but, the wound is still there even though I didn't put up with the behavior. Sure. And I absolutely do not mean to blame the victim, you know? But somehow, in some way, by somebody, these people are getting rewarded for their behavior, or they wouldn't keep doing it. That doesn't mean that every person who is treated badly by them is responsible for that. And again, every part of that statement applies to lying, abusive, manipulative women as well. | |
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tackam said: applekisses said: tackam said: applekisses said: tackam said: applekisses said: tackam said: applekisses said: langebleu said: applekisses said: I'm not condoning it, but it's just a backlash to the patriarchal society we live in and healthy for starting a balance. You are not condoning it - but you say it's healthy?Sure, in a way it is... So, the way to make women and men equal isn't just to lift women up, it's to put men down? Disagree. Well, I think it's a first step to pointing out the bad behaviors that men have gotten away with for so long. It's a way for women to assert themselves. That's not bad. It's part of a process that, hopefully, will lead to empowerment for all. I agree with you that calling out the individual behaviors is important, and that people shouldn't put up with abusive, dishonest, or inconsiderate behavior from their partners. I just don't think that any statement along the lines of, "why do men (insert nasty thing here)?" is going to do anybody any good, and it's insulting to the many beautiful men out there who would never dream of treating people that way. I'm privelidged to have several such men in my life. (Lisa, Chris, nice to see you taking care of each other. )Yes, you're right about the sweeping statements, but when so many men are displaying the same, or similar behaviors it's easy to lump them together. I just hope the wonderful ones know that they don't belong in that group. Perhaps a qualifier would help...even it's something simple like 'why do SOME men...(blah blah)?' Easy, but fair? Yeah, a qualifier would help. . ."Why do some men (blah blah), and why do their partners put up with it?" might be even better. . . there are problems on both sides of the equation, and they aren't small simple problems, they are big social problems. (thanks for keeping at this, I know I can be a pain to argue with ) No, honey... I'm learning a lot and you've been really wonderful about it...representing your point without getting all hot and bothered I love you for it
I agree that there are a lot of people out there that put up with terrible behavior from their partners (women or men) but, then there are the times when someone does something shitty and their partner doesn't put up with it and either kicks them to the curb or tells them to shape up. The behavior still exists no matter what. I've been reminded that I'm not 'perfect' and cheated on by different men...of course I ended the relationship or corrected the behavior...but, the wound is still there even though I didn't put up with the behavior. Sure. And I absolutely do not mean to blame the victim, you know? But somehow, in some way, by somebody, these people are getting rewarded for their behavior, or they wouldn't keep doing it. That doesn't mean that every person who is treated badly by them is responsible for that. And again, every part of that statement applies to lying, abusive, manipulative women as well.  That's true. I guess it's just hard for me because I haven't experienced the crappy behavior from women as I have from men. It's hard for me to remain neutral. Also, with this being a patriarchal society, it just feels good to 'rage against the machine' ( ) | |
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applekisses said: tackam said: applekisses said: tackam said: applekisses said: tackam said: applekisses said: tackam said: applekisses said: langebleu said: applekisses said: I'm not condoning it, but it's just a backlash to the patriarchal society we live in and healthy for starting a balance. You are not condoning it - but you say it's healthy?Sure, in a way it is... So, the way to make women and men equal isn't just to lift women up, it's to put men down? Disagree. Well, I think it's a first step to pointing out the bad behaviors that men have gotten away with for so long. It's a way for women to assert themselves. That's not bad. It's part of a process that, hopefully, will lead to empowerment for all. I agree with you that calling out the individual behaviors is important, and that people shouldn't put up with abusive, dishonest, or inconsiderate behavior from their partners. I just don't think that any statement along the lines of, "why do men (insert nasty thing here)?" is going to do anybody any good, and it's insulting to the many beautiful men out there who would never dream of treating people that way. I'm privelidged to have several such men in my life. (Lisa, Chris, nice to see you taking care of each other. )Yes, you're right about the sweeping statements, but when so many men are displaying the same, or similar behaviors it's easy to lump them together. I just hope the wonderful ones know that they don't belong in that group. Perhaps a qualifier would help...even it's something simple like 'why do SOME men...(blah blah)?' Easy, but fair? Yeah, a qualifier would help. . ."Why do some men (blah blah), and why do their partners put up with it?" might be even better. . . there are problems on both sides of the equation, and they aren't small simple problems, they are big social problems. (thanks for keeping at this, I know I can be a pain to argue with ) No, honey... I'm learning a lot and you've been really wonderful about it...representing your point without getting all hot and bothered I love you for it
I agree that there are a lot of people out there that put up with terrible behavior from their partners (women or men) but, then there are the times when someone does something shitty and their partner doesn't put up with it and either kicks them to the curb or tells them to shape up. The behavior still exists no matter what. I've been reminded that I'm not 'perfect' and cheated on by different men...of course I ended the relationship or corrected the behavior...but, the wound is still there even though I didn't put up with the behavior. Sure. And I absolutely do not mean to blame the victim, you know? But somehow, in some way, by somebody, these people are getting rewarded for their behavior, or they wouldn't keep doing it. That doesn't mean that every person who is treated badly by them is responsible for that. And again, every part of that statement applies to lying, abusive, manipulative women as well. That's true. I guess it's just hard for me because I haven't experienced the crappy behavior from women as I have from men. It's hard for me to remain neutral. Also, with this being a patriarchal society, it just feels good to 'rage against the machine' ( )I understand. | |
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