DrFrankenfurter said:

Listen I didn't mean 2 hurt ur feelings, I wasn't trying 2 offend anyone, I was just expressing how I felt in a certain siuation. It never intent 2 hurt anybody, but more of a way 2 make some aware, people do cheat I know that, but I was hurt by a man, I do apologize if I hurt ur feelings

I just been hurt and see the difference between a woman and a man is, a women will whole a grudge 4ever, seriosuly, when a woman is fed up, she's mad at the world, I've been hurt so many times before even dissed from my own father, it's hard 4 me 2 see beyond the things I've experienced, that I've really experienced in my life. I never really meant a man, who was actually 4 me, If you know what I've been through with men, including physical abuse and sexual abuse, then I think you will understand where I am coming from. It impact my life so much, I didn't even want 2 be in the same room with a man, but I'm getting better at it

I"m hoping someday some man will come in my life 2 change what's been broken, took advantage of and stole
If I ever in my life find a guy who's really 4 me and 4 me only I will eat all my words, one by one .
[This message was edited Thu Aug 21 0:36:16 PDT 2003 by DigitalLisa]

Listen I didn't mean 2 hurt ur feelings, I wasn't trying 2 offend anyone, I was just expressing how I felt in a certain siuation. It never intent 2 hurt anybody, but more of a way 2 make some aware, people do cheat I know that, but I was hurt by a man, I do apologize if I hurt ur feelings

I just been hurt and see the difference between a woman and a man is, a women will whole a grudge 4ever, seriosuly, when a woman is fed up, she's mad at the world, I've been hurt so many times before even dissed from my own father, it's hard 4 me 2 see beyond the things I've experienced, that I've really experienced in my life. I never really meant a man, who was actually 4 me, If you know what I've been through with men, including physical abuse and sexual abuse, then I think you will understand where I am coming from. I mean impact my life so much, I didn't even want 2 be in the same room with a man, but I'm getting better at it


I"m hoping someday some man will come in my life 2 change what's been broken, took advantage of and stole
If I ever in my life find a guy who's really 4 me and 4 me only I will eat all my words, one by one .

I am a beautiful woman, who's very educated and can hold her own, people often ask me why I'm single or why am I still a virgin at the age 24 I never been with a man physically, because of the sexual abuse I went through as a child, I never had anybody 2 hear out my frustrations, everybody just wanted me 2 keep quiet about it, this is the only time I talked about it, since I was a child... it may come out as bitter, but I honestly don't intend on it being that way... It just every time I think about it I get upset like why did it happen 2 me? Then in the back of my mind I think it's every man fault, like every man is responsible 4 what happened 2 me
[This message was edited Thu Aug 21 0:43:31 PDT 2003 by DigitalLisa]

DigitalLisa said:

trust me, hon, I know how you feel. It is very hard to get over such trauma, and not hold a grudge. I was sexually, physically, mentally, and verbally abused as a child ALL at the hands of men. I still to this day believe that part of the reason I had my feminist awakening was because I was placed in roles of abuse that are much more common to women and girls, and saw how horrific it was.

It took a LOT of therapy to get me to the point I am, which is not completely healed. No one ever fully recovers from such things, it's a lifelong scar to bear, sadly. If you have not already sought out therapy, I can not recommend it enough.

I too had some hardcore lashing out years in junior high, when I was dealing with not only the aftermath of all the abuse I had suffered for years in, but being placed in a foster home, and targeted by my peers because I am gay. It so many times seemed like me against the world, and I would kill someone before I let them hurt me again. This is very common amongst people with our background.

I know that someday you will find a man that will make you realize that not all of us are represented by the fuckers that did this stuff to us.

I realize also that you are not aware of how very offensive these things are, as you don't hear them the way outside people do.

I am glad we are talking, this feels much better.

Trust me I am so Totally not Caring about the stupid crap of my life. It doesn't even Faze Me at All. I'm totally over it all now. I don't Care at All. Just a bit Leery that's all with Gameplayers.

Yeah me 2

Ur right, I never had therapy at all, but I told myself I had just had 2 be strong and that's how I've been coping with the issues that I've been going throughn in my life,
I know at times it appears that I'm bitter and angry,sometimes I will admit I do front on the org, but if you meant me in person, I'm probably the most cheerful woman you'll ever meet. I like 2 smile alot and I like 2 laugh, I like 2 make people laugh, I mean Life is a bitch, but I'm not going 2 let it bring me down, I would never try 2 bring another human being down, I love everyboy I truly do, I wish and pray and hope 4 the best in everbody's life, I know God is taken care me, I know I'm going 2 be okay, I don't want anybody feeling any sympathy 4 me, cuz I have enough of my own. Life have obstacle and this is just one of them I know I will over come, we both will, u just have 2 trust

Muffy said:

me 2
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2 Chris

Uhmm Chris if u like u can org note me

DigitalLisa said:

No, I know, I hate the sympathy and pity as well. It almost feels like you are being emotionally victimized as well. What I offer you is empathy, and it is one one of the most positive aspects of mankind. I am sure I do not need to explain it to you, as now that you are just being the real you, you seem very smart.

But I feel like I do need to say to you that I felt the same way that you did, that I am a strong person, and will overcome this myself by just toughing it out, and there is quite a bit of truth in that, but I say from experience that this is a battle you can not fight alone. It took me 10 years to seek help, and i those 10 years I nearly destroyed my life by thinking I could do it alone. the only people that can help you help yourself are people that have been through similar situations or are trained professionals. And there is NOTHING wrong with admitting that you need help getting through it. It does not make you a weaker person for seeking help, it makes you a much stronger person for being able to say it.

I had a very strong wall that I built up around myself because I thought I could tough it out, but all that wall does is isolate you, and if you want a relationship with a good man, it is almost impossible to do with that wall up. I know from experience. I lost the love of my life because I could not let that wall down and just relax.

Men will just always be men , it's been that way since day one. Times haven't changed much. I've seen it with my own eyes, men talk much game, as soon as a girl gets pregnant he wants 2 leave, just because he doesn't want 2 take care of a responsibilty and the girl is left with a baby 2 take care of her own, how many times as this happened? How many times do u hear about spousel abuse, a man beating on his wife, a man raping a girl, most of these crimes are done by men, I've even seen it with my own eyes,

And don't even get me started on how there's prejudice in the work force when it comes between the two sexes, it's a know fact, that even if a man and a woman have the same job, the man will get paid more just because he is a man.or if I go 2 a autoshop or car place 2 look at a car, don't try 2 tell me the sales person is going 2 try 2 cheat me just because I am a woman who may not know much about vechiles all together. It's a damn shame I have 2 bring a male with me when I go 2 these places, just because they will charge me more becuase I am a woman, now that's what I call both sexes and racist

I mean we can even look at sports 4 example, There's a NBA and There's a WNBA , it is a known fact that most players on the NBA gets paid way more a professional basketball player who just so happens 2 be a woman in a legitiment field, people don't even pay much attention 2 the WNBA just because it's women playing basketball, that's what's sexist to me

At first women had 2 sit at home, take care of the kids, make sure dinner is ready before daddy gets,not haver her own beliefs, not even dare speak up 2 her man, she basically had 2 be a doormate 2 her husband, all while he's supposedly be wearing the pants in the family, just because he works and he's a man

Women couldn't even vote or fight in the war, just because of the gender we had, "NOW THAT'S WHAT I CALL SEXIST"

Don't even get me freaking started on the entertainment business and how a male dominated business mostly use women as sexual objects, in music vidoes, in movies, in advirtisment...

Basically I'm not going 2 take much of this male ego crap, just because he is a man, I think the statement "it's a man's world is so absolute, Men have always treated women like we where second class citzen from day one, we have come a long way 2 the show a man we can be just as strong or powerful as he can, for there wouldn't even be a man if it was not 4 us women, so if you want 2 talk about things being sexist, just because a few group of women on the org has experiecned pain that was cause by a man, and choose 2 express that pain in a thread or 2 does not make them racist or sexist,


As 4 me personally I know "all men aren't dogs", I just haven't found one who wasn't trying 2 use me 4 money or just trying 2 get in2 my pants, before some goes aroud calling me a racist or sexiest again think about all the things I've mention above, how long have women been deprived because of the statement "this is a man worlds?"
[This message was edited Wed Aug 20 23:58:49 PDT 2003 by DigitalLisa]

DigitalLisa said:

I wish DigitalLisa were not so shy, and would express her true feelings...

applekisses said:

So, the way to make women and men equal isn't just to lift women up, it's to put men down? Disagree.

THANK YOU!!!

I have seen waaay too much sexist slamming on this site in the last two weeks, bu I thought I was the only one seeing it.

FANTASTIC thread!

And in some sense I do agree with Applekisses, it is a backlash against the patriarchal society, but the answer does not lie in starting threads called "why do men cheat?" "why do men blah blah blah" "why are men such pigfuckers?", etc.

Fight the trappings of society, but realize that not all men are represented by the few really horrendous examples.

tackam said:

Well, I think it's a first step to pointing out the bad behaviors that men have gotten away with for so long. It's a way for women to assert themselves. That's not bad. It's part of a process that, hopefully, will lead to empowerment for all.

please don't go back to Transexual, Frank...we need you here )

applekisses said:

But... *I* miss DrFrankenfurter. He let me pick him a new avatar pic and called me "Scififilmcutie" and auditioned for the part of being my practice buddy and...

I 'ed him...



Oh, well... Maybe Cborgman will be my baby instead?

Cborgman, I think you would be an absolutely wonderful, positive influence in DigitalLisas life...

You are still my scififilmcutie.

and I need to be somebody's baby, dammit. this org whore schtick gets tiring.

cborgman said:

What? You would give up being the Org Whore just for me?



"Scififilmnerd - baby of the president of the Gay Org Mafia"?

Sounds good to me

scififilmnerd said:

hee hee. I sooo need a sweetheart. cloudbuster don't seem to like me no more

hee hee. I sooo need a sweetheart. cloudbuster don't seem to like me no more

cborgman said:

If only you weren't a big ol' queer, I'd sign up.

cborgman said:

Uh, I mean... Aww, now that won't do.

Okay, then... I want to be your new sweetheart. Can I be you new sweetheart? I'm sure Cloudbuster won't mind, because Cloudbuster realizes you like me better

I can see how dissecting JW Truth on homosexuals over on that there other thread is much more important than me.






That's what ya get for dating The President Of The Gay Org Mafia. You get to taste the lifestyle of lonely, suburban house wives.






I'm gonna myself to sleep now while dinner's getting cold. I have an early day tomorrow - am expecting UPS delivery boy. Maybe HE can entertain me a little while you out on business?



[This message was edited Thu Aug 21 13:47:26 PDT 2003 by scififilmnerd]