2freaky4church1 said:

So women have babies on their own, then, they impregnate themselves? If the women are having sex "out of wedlock", it only makes sense that men would be, too.

I think what you're saying is that it's women who get pregnant and who can't just decide they don't want a kid (unless of course they decide to have an abortion or put the baby up for adoption), the way men can just up and leave the situation. Is that what you were saying?

Men and Woman are not exactly the same. Amazing, but true.

teller said:

I don't think anyone is saying they are the same--I think what some of us are saying is that holding double standards doesn't make sense anymore.

AnotherLoverToo said:

So, to avoid a double standard, should both men and women sleep around or neither?

Why is it okay for women to cry but not for men? Because men are aggressive and women are nurturing. It's not a double-standard--it's just how God made us. Different. Interesting. Yin and yang. Stick and snails and sugar and spice.

teller said:

No, obviously not! (either way)

I believe what Lisa and others are saying is that if a person thinks it's ok for men to "sleep around", that person shouldn't have a moral issue with women sleeping around, either. And if it's not ok in that person's mind to 'sleep around', it shouldn't be ok for either men or women...

teller said:

That is a great question, and in some ways is comparable to this one about sex, as far as holding double standards. (though crying hardly causes STDs or the breakup of families) It should be just as socially acceptable in society for men to cry publically--and you're seeing it happen more and more often, actually. Not all men are aggressive and women nurturing, though, Teller. Most of us have elements of both in us...

I love the differences between men and women, and I have never said I want to see those disappear. I just want to see some of the basic human rights and morals applied equally--for men and women to be considered as individuals who may or may not fit the "stereotypes".
[This message was edited Fri Aug 15 13:44:49 PDT 2003 by AnotherLoverToo]

AnotherLoverToo said:

True enough, but I think in general, such differences can be celebrated. Dunno about the sleeping around, though--sounds dangerous! :O

teller said:

Yep, see my next post! I adore the differences between men and women, and I think it's what keeps us intrigued with one another. Just like with different cultures, I think it's important to recognize the differences and not pretend like we all come from the same backgrounds, but at the same time, not hold a white, black, or latino person to a stereotype. Allow them to be whatever combination they are! Same with men and women--the same standards for quality human behaviors should exist, not based upon what's between your legs.

I happen to agree with you on the dangers of sleeping around. But I'm just saying that someone who has no problem with it shouldn't have different rules for different people.

DigitalLisa said:

I could. I know a good friend of mine is very happily settled down with a girl that slept with all the rest of us before she got round to him & they are the happiest, cutest couple I know. I find it hard to believe she's the same girl who taught me about 3somes. Mind you, we all reckon he used to be a kerb crawler & he always hit onto drunk girls in a creepy way.

However, the main thing is they're now really lovely, loyal and close. I think that's really sweet & look forward to finding a nyphomaniac of my own to reform and settle down with! [woah, had to edit, don't know how to spell cutest!]
[This message was edited Fri Aug 15 14:57:13 PDT 2003 by daned]

teller said:

Not alright for men to cry? I've cried at times & I've seen some proper hard bastards cry when they've needed to. We're all only human!

Okay then how about this, how about we all look at each other the same. From now on, women will not be looked down on for sleeping around any more then men. And in exchange, we as men will no longer give our seat for a woman, we will no longer pay for dinner and movies, we will no longer be the ones to propose marriage, and we will no longer give up half of our shit when we get divorsed. If we're gonna make things fair, then let's go all the way.