gooeythehamster said:

you do not suck, you awesome hamster you...

gooeythehamster said:

I am here, and I aint no swine!

JDINTERACTIVE said:

You just said OINK.


Hheheheee

Handclapsfingasnapz said:

hehehe

*insert really horrible raunchy remark HERE--->*

gooeythehamster said:

U cant just go around calling me a swine and Xpect some attention!

JDINTERACTIVE said:

You cannot expect me to be ignored for so long and be NICE?

I need adoration.
PRONTO!



This is where you get on your knees and beg for mercy.

I loved the 1st Matrix movie and could not wait to see where the second movie took the story...but

I got my ticket, got my seat, got settled, watched the trailers for upcoming movies...and

"WTF is this pile of steaming monkey shit!?!??!?!?!?"

The opening 1/2 hour was completely pointless apart from showing Zion to be the rave capital of the world. That scene was just so embarassing. It should have been the 1st scene to hit the cutting room floor!

Then some action for a good hour or so... Slightly better but still none of the new enemies sparked any tension or interest like Agent Smith...

And then the long, long, long, long, long (are you getting the point yet?) exposition by The Architect. WTF was that about...so this is the 6th time round...blah! Blah! BLAH!

This movie was the most pointless sequel since Speed 2! I lost count of how many time I nearly fell asleep.

By the way, I didn't care for this movie much. Could you tell?

Check out Solaris, Confessions of a Dangerous Mind, Adaptaion and countless other movies released this year before Matrix Reloaded.

gooeythehamster said:

i agree. i loved the first one and couldn't wait to see this one. then i saw it and was very disappointed. it didn't hold my interest like the first. the only good thing about it was the chase scene. and i agree that the rave scene was totally pointless.

BlurredEye - u hit the proverbial nail right on its head.
That scene with The Architect was EXACTLY my case in point.
ANYBODY who tells me they: 'got it' is full of it.
It was meandering, pointless - damn, even the actor looked confused as all hell.
I just ended up laughing.

my comments, from when it came out. cut & pasted from http://www.prince.org/msg...msg_773754


Saw it last night. Thoughts...


I liked the original movie. I still do, even though I cannot bear to watch it again (a roommate of mine had it on DVD and watched it every day -- then it hit HBO, ad nauseum). I think they should have stopped at 1 movie.

It's not that I'm disappointed in the second one because it couldn't live up to the hype or the expectation set by the first one. It's because of the concepts involved. The whole thing is based on a freshman philosophy course (the dead giveaway is the causality vs. free will debate smack dab in the middle of Reloaded, if there were any doubts).

Why they should have stopped at the first one is that, while it's all pop-philosophy/psychology as the subtext, the first one put forward the notion, played on it, but you weren't given ALL that much of it, so that the flaws in the whole thing didn't jump out at you, when you actually went on to think about it.

I'm reminded of a thread on this forum about a month ago, where rdhull and I were debating Matrix Reloaded and X2 and which would be better. It led to a mini-debate about the themes of both movies. X-Men has always been my favorite comic book for this very reason: their concept has a point. It has a point that is derived from and can be applied to the real world. Persecution. Discrimination. Ignorance. Fear. Hatred. Society's outcasts who only want to be accepted and live as normal people, even though they're different. It's a simple concept really, one grounded in the real world, despite the extraneous context of superpowered mutants.

The Matrix, on the other hand, seems to me, like sci-fi derived from pop-philosophy derived from sci-fi based on freshman philosophy concepts. (Reminds me of Scientology, actually, but with a different subject matter). It's all rather incestuous and, while there is a kernal of validity and something of interest to find in the concepts, it's very simplistic to the point of going round in circles, based on premises one may or may not subscribe to in the real world. For all the talk that we're living in the Matrix, machines running our lives, "the system" telling us what to do, what to believe, and how to behave, it's only that... just talk. The kind of talk that people who want to think they're deep talk about, but really has no basis in reality in the context of a day-to-day life. It's the kind of thing communications/philosophy professors write about in their books that they can't sell because no one's really interested and they aren't all that relevant, so they make a class of 30 buy it and use it as a text book for the class they're teaching.

That's why they should have left it at 1 movie. The basic premise stands up if there isn't a great deal of attention paid to it. It's a great set-up for a cool sci-fi movie. Having a second and third movie about those concepts is too close an examination of what the movies are about, and that's where it falls down. On top of that, I could really give a rat's ass if Zion falls or not.

As for the movie itself, i found it to be fairly entertaining. The 3 major action set pieces were great. Great movie, so-so film. It could have been edited better. Even just 10 minutes from the total running time would have made for better pacing. About a minute cut from the major fx/action scenes (I found my mind wandering even during the chase scene). That whole Dance Party USA/no-chemistry sex scene needs to go altogether. And any point where Morpheus is speaking (ie, before the Soul Train bit, and toward the end when they're enacting their big plan) needs to be chopped. A lot.

My favorite scene was the bit with the many Agent Smiths, and the climax of that. Very cool. The other action scenes were cool too. Viewed on that level, it's entertaining. Below the surface, though, it's trying too hard to be deep in areas that are pretty shallow to begin with.

I cant add anymore 2 that!
Awesome Aaron.