Camille4U posted this in the clown thread and I think it's appropriate here too.

at the ronald mcdonald thing!!

and vina...

Steak and Cheeseburgers.

The only thing I go in2 McDonalds 4 is a McShit.

I guess there are a lot of clowns making decisions for us behind closed doors...

Awww, come on...live a little...

REDFEATHERS said:

Sorry, Red, I know this isn't a fun topic. It just makes me sad and sick. I was gonna let the thread die, but people responded to it. I felt bad for bringing it all up in the first place. But I think about these things sometimes.

VinaBlue said:

But alot worse happens to humans, why talk about animals all the time that can't or 'wont' be controlled cos of the demand for cheap meat/dairy products???

Fast Food Nation
On any given day, one out of four Americans opts for a quick and cheap meal at a fast-food restaurant, without giving either its speed or its thriftiness a second thought. Fast food is so ubiquitous that it now seems as American, and harmless, as apple pie. But the industry's drive for consolidation, homogenization, and speed has radically transformed America's diet, landscape, economy, and workforce, often in insidiously destructive ways. Eric Schlosser, an award-winning journalist, opens his ambitious and ultimately devastating exposé with an introduction to the iconoclasts and high school dropouts, such as Harlan Sanders and the McDonald brothers, who first applied the principles of a factory assembly line to a commercial kitchen. Quickly, however, he moves behind the counter with the overworked and underpaid teenage workers, onto the factory farms where the potatoes and beef are grown, and into the slaughterhouses run by giant meatpacking corporations. Schlosser wants you to know why those French fries taste so good (with a visit to the world's largest flavor company) and "what really lurks between those sesame-seed buns." Eater beware: forget your concerns about cholesterol, there is--literally--feces in your meat.
Schlosser's investigation reaches its frightening peak in the meatpacking plants as he reveals the almost complete lack of federal oversight of a seemingly lawless industry. His searing portrayal of the industry is disturbingly similar to Upton Sinclair's The Jungle, written in 1906: nightmare working conditions, union busting, and unsanitary practices that introduce E. coli and other pathogens into restaurants, public schools, and homes. Almost as disturbing is his description of how the industry "both feeds and feeds off the young," insinuating itself into all aspects of children's lives, even the pages of their school books, while leaving them prone to obesity and disease. Fortunately, Schlosser offers some eminently practical remedies. "Eating in the United States should no longer be a form of high-risk behavior," he writes. Where to begin? Ask yourself, is the true cost of having it "your way" really worth it? --Lesley Reed

bolding the feces edit
[This message was edited Tue Jul 1 10:19:32 PDT 2003 by Slave2daGroove]

VinaBlue said:

But alot worse happens to humans, why talk about animals all the time that can't or 'wont' be controlled cos of the demand for cheap meat/dairy products???

Caring about animals doesn't prevent one from caring about humans, and the fact that the world isn't perfect for humans doesn't give us an excuse to make life hell for non-humans. And this planet is better able to support good lives for humans, with lots of resources and with an attitude of respect for other living beings/persons, if animal agriculture doesn't exist.

The cruelty "can't or won't" stop only because people continue to financially support factory farming. If you (and you, and you, and you, and you over there) would just stop giving your money to them, it WOULD stop. It can stop.

The "rape" of cows is one of the gazillion miserable things that happen to helpless individuals every day, and it happens because most of you pay for it to happen. The truth sucks.

Caring about animals doesn't prevent one from caring about humans, and the fact that the world isn't perfect for humans doesn't give us an excuse to make life hell for non-humans. And this planet is better able to support good lives for humans, with lots of resources and with an attitude of respect for other living beings/persons, if animal agriculture doesn't exist.

The cruelty "can't or won't" stop only because people continue to financially support factory farming. If you (and you, and you, and you, and you over there) would just stop giving your money to them, it WOULD stop. It can stop.

The "rape" of cows is one of the gazillion miserable things that happen to helpless individuals every day, and it happens because most of you pay for it to happen. The truth sucks.

Fast Food Nation

"what really lurks between those sesame-seed buns." Eater beware: forget your concerns about cholesterol, there is--literally--feces in your meat.

Slave2daGroove said:

WHAT???

I know this isn't a popular thing to say, but I'm a blood-thirsty beef eater. Kill 'em and grill 'em. It happens all the time in nature, and I'm not ashamed to be a flesh-eating mammal. Send me to hell for the beast that I am...

teller said:

Um, we've had the "natural" discussion. Wanna get into it, darlin'?

tackam said:

No, no, no...we already did that work...just puttin' in my 3 pennies.

Clip from nature:

Watch as the cheetah sneaks up on that gazelle...

Oh my, he's really ripping that poor gazelle's lungs out...jesus christ, I think he's actually enjoying it!