I should educate myself, u are right... on the subject of why people are so damn irresponsible! U people talk like it's impossible to keep your dog in order when it's in heat, when in fact it's just part of your responsibility as a dog owner. Having a pet is made out of responsibilities, if u can't deal then don't have pets.

What Nan says about male cats is true, I have three male cats and two are neutered, I am waiting till the third one reaches adulthood before I neuter him, I find it the most natural that any individual human or animal should be able to develop their full potential as far as hormones before I spay him. Most likely I wouldn't have to though, because he doesn't have any other male to compete with or mark territory for.

There are side-effects to any medication Apples, I'm sure u know that. I don't know of any bad side-effects to the birth control pill for cats though, despite my research and talking to friends who are veterinarian professors and researchers.

Any takers on my bet yet? Didn't think so.

Of course I read them. No medical contraceptive for humans is 100% effectice either. Did u know that?

Teacher said:

Did you read my post about the bird dogs?
The fact is that if you would have gotten your dog fixed as a puppy, the problems that you are talking about wouldn't even exist.
No one is 'taking your bet' because it's a losing one that you've set up yourself.
Your poor dog.

Teacher said:

Oh, sorry...I forgot about that

Anyway, let me ask you a question...why did you get your male cats neutered?

Paisley, please note that this is not solely meant for u, the somewhat harsh tone is directed at ignorant people. Btw, your dog has already been in heat for like a week

As usual, humans tend to forget what can occur if u do have her spayed. Most animals on the whole, both male and female, get fatter, lazier and on the whole without that special spark if u neuter them, if u don't exercise your dog very well u will probably have to get diet food for her, which is very expensive. Also, neutered animals tend to get more aggressive against others of their kind because they no longer carry the scent of a male or female which is the foundation of any society, even our own. All other animals will treat the neutered animal as a neutrum, which to them means without respect. This of course is only a problem if u are good enough to let your dog be with others of its kind, if not then u don't care.

Thirdly, your dog will not bleed for at least three weeks. The heat itself lasts 21 days, and they do not bleed for the first or last week, in normal cases.

As always when discussions of animals arise here, I'm befuddled by the singularly egotistical mind of people, always thinking of themselves but never of the animal. Yes, neutering prevents cancer but it changes most animals, especially dogs into a pet u no longer know. If u have a working dog that u train or compete with, neutering means u can kiss that work goodbye.

Jen
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applekisses said:

I didn't, they were neutered when I got them. Since they are indoor cats I am selfish and will neuter my new one, cos the smell really isn't very nice. Maybe u notice that I've been talking mostly about dogs in my posts, because I really don't think it's necessary to neuter dogs, male or female. Let's agree to disagree, u have your point of view and I have mine. Ok?

Teacher said:

Excuse me, but I watched what happened to our family dog because my sister didn't bother to get her spayed.
She developed uterine and mammary cancer...her body was literally being eaten away.
If you want to see something that changes an animal's personality, cancer is it.
She should have gotten the dog spayed as a puppy (that's what responsible pet owners do), then all of the so-called 'problems' you are talking about would not exist.
My brother-in-law and sister have two bird dogs who have been fixed since puppyhood and they are fantastic working dogs and wonderful pets.
I think you need to educate yourself ahem...'teacher' Your post is probably the most ignorant I've seen on this thread.

Teacher said:

Ahhh...spoken like a true hypocrite...'the smell isn't very nice' so...it's not FOR THE ANIMAL'S WELFARE NOW IS IT. You're not even thinking about the animal's welfare in this case. You are totally irresponsbile as a pet owner. It's for your convienience that you're neutering these cats.
You should have your animals taken away from you.

Apples... we have different points of view!! My point is that it's thinking of the animal (the dog actually) to _not_ neuter or spay it, and it's your point that it's best to do it. We just have different opinions. It doesn't make me a hypocrate, it makes my opinion differ from yours. Simple and true. Leave it please.

Didn't remember the pic, sorry Are u having fun flinging poo at me? Any more personal attacks u'd like to make? Please don't, that's not why I post here.

Teacher said:

Well, what makes you a hypocrite is that you have been calling people irresponsbile and ignorant (the actual words posted by you are in the thread above) because as you said: 'I'm befuddled by the singularly egotistical mind of people, always thinking of themselves but never of the animal.'
But, you do the same (admittedly) (you said: 'To be perfectly honest, I don't give a rat's ass about whether cats are neutered/spayed or not...My cats live indoors, so I'd give her the pill to minimise trouble for me, I'm egotistical that way.') with your cats. THAT's what makes you a hypocrite...not our difference of opinion. You should be calling yourself irresponsbile and ignorant as well when it comes to your poor cats.
I don't expect you to admit it, it would take a very strong person to admit her faults.
If you CAN admit that flaw, than I would be very impressed.

It's been said a zillion times but FIX YOUR PETS!!

Oh and P.S. A lot of the bullshit being flung around on this thread makes me absolutely sick.