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Paisley

MY POOR LITTLE DOGGIE

She started her period today "yep she's in heat" she's not all horny and shit but I can tell she doesn't feel good cause she's walking around looking all sad sad what really sucks is that she's an indoor dog so I had to put a little pantie on her that holds a pantie liner, and she will dribble for atleast three weeks, ladies be glad were not a female dog, could you imagine bleeding for three weeks? omg
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Reply #1 posted 06/27/03 1:27pm

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if she's an indoor dog, and you're not planning on puppies, get her fixed.
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Reply #2 posted 06/27/03 1:28pm

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Sounds like the remix to "LA LA LA, HE HE HE"
Life my azz muthafucka, dis is a bitness!!

I love Gravy, I love Titties. I love Gravy Dipped Titties.
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Reply #3 posted 06/27/03 1:28pm

Paisley

MissCute said:

if she's an indoor dog, and you're not planning on puppies, get her fixed.

Yeah I'm thinking about it.
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Reply #4 posted 06/27/03 1:29pm

Paisley

billysparxxx said:

Sounds like the remix to "LA LA LA, HE HE HE"

I want you you want me, oh how happy we would be.
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Reply #5 posted 06/27/03 1:34pm

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Paisley,

My cat is an indoor cat and for years I didn't get here spayed because I though it was a matter of having her fixed for my convenience.

The she started going everywhere and ruining my shoes and my daughters' stuff so I went to have her fixed.

I found out that fixing a female animal helps prevent mammalian (spelling?) cancer. So it does benefit them if you're not planning on breeding her.
I'm firmly planted in denial
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Reply #6 posted 06/27/03 1:36pm

Paisley

Nothinbutjoy said:

Paisley,

My cat is an indoor cat and for years I didn't get here spayed because I though it was a matter of having her fixed for my convenience.

The she started going everywhere and ruining my shoes and my daughters' stuff so I went to have her fixed.

I found out that fixing a female animal helps prevent mammalian (spelling?) cancer. So it does benefit them if you're not planning on breeding her.

Ok, thanks for the advice. hug
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Reply #7 posted 06/27/03 1:37pm

applekisses

I'm sorry, but that's really disgusting and you should get the dog fixed if you don't want it to get breast cancer.

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Reply #8 posted 06/27/03 2:21pm

pejman

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MissCute said:

if she's an indoor dog, and you're not planning on puppies, get her fixed.




that's exactly what I was gonna say!
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Reply #9 posted 06/27/03 2:43pm

mcmeekle

Paisley said:

She started her period today "yep she's in heat" she's not all horny and shit but I can tell she doesn't feel good cause she's walking around looking all sad sad what really sucks is that she's an indoor dog so I had to put a little pantie on her that holds a pantie liner, and she will dribble for atleast three weeks, ladies be glad were not a female dog, could you imagine bleeding for three weeks? omg
woot!

C'mon everyone, post details about your pet's genitalia. I love hearing about animal secretions! smile


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Reply #10 posted 06/27/03 8:34pm

tackam

Mammary AND uterine cancer. Get her spayed. Better for everybody.
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Reply #11 posted 06/28/03 6:42am

Teacher

Paisley, please note that this is not solely meant for u, the somewhat harsh tone is directed at ignorant people. Btw, your dog has already been in heat for like a week wink

As usual, humans tend to forget what can occur if u do have her spayed. Most animals on the whole, both male and female, get fatter, lazier and on the whole without that special spark if u neuter them, if u don't exercise your dog very well u will probably have to get diet food for her, which is very expensive. Also, neutered animals tend to get more aggressive against others of their kind because they no longer carry the scent of a male or female which is the foundation of any society, even our own. All other animals will treat the neutered animal as a neutrum, which to them means without respect. This of course is only a problem if u are good enough to let your dog be with others of its kind, if not then u don't care.

Thirdly, your dog will not bleed for at least three weeks. The heat itself lasts 21 days, and they do not bleed for the first or last week, in normal cases.

As always when discussions of animals arise here, I'm befuddled by the singularly egotistical mind of people, always thinking of themselves but never of the animal. Yes, neutering prevents cancer but it changes most animals, especially dogs into a pet u no longer know. If u have a working dog that u train or compete with, neutering means u can kiss that work goodbye.

Jen
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Reply #12 posted 06/28/03 7:03am

REDFEATHERS

Teacher.. hug Good post.
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Reply #13 posted 06/28/03 9:38am

applekisses

Teacher said:

Paisley, please note that this is not solely meant for u, the somewhat harsh tone is directed at ignorant people. Btw, your dog has already been in heat for like a week wink

As usual, humans tend to forget what can occur if u do have her spayed. Most animals on the whole, both male and female, get fatter, lazier and on the whole without that special spark if u neuter them, if u don't exercise your dog very well u will probably have to get diet food for her, which is very expensive. Also, neutered animals tend to get more aggressive against others of their kind because they no longer carry the scent of a male or female which is the foundation of any society, even our own. All other animals will treat the neutered animal as a neutrum, which to them means without respect. This of course is only a problem if u are good enough to let your dog be with others of its kind, if not then u don't care.

Thirdly, your dog will not bleed for at least three weeks. The heat itself lasts 21 days, and they do not bleed for the first or last week, in normal cases.

As always when discussions of animals arise here, I'm befuddled by the singularly egotistical mind of people, always thinking of themselves but never of the animal. Yes, neutering prevents cancer but it changes most animals, especially dogs into a pet u no longer know. If u have a working dog that u train or compete with, neutering means u can kiss that work goodbye.

Jen
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Excuse me, but I watched what happened to our family dog because my sister didn't bother to get her spayed.
She developed uterine and mammary cancer...her body was literally being eaten away.
If you want to see something that changes an animal's personality, cancer is it.
She should have gotten the dog spayed as a puppy (that's what responsible pet owners do), then all of the so-called 'problems' you are talking about would not exist.
My brother-in-law and sister have two bird dogs who have been fixed since puppyhood and they are fantastic working dogs and wonderful pets.
I think you need to educate yourself ahem...'teacher' Your post is probably the most ignorant I've seen on this thread.
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Reply #14 posted 06/28/03 9:40am

applekisses

mcmeekle said:

Paisley said:

She started her period today "yep she's in heat" she's not all horny and shit but I can tell she doesn't feel good cause she's walking around looking all sad sad what really sucks is that she's an indoor dog so I had to put a little pantie on her that holds a pantie liner, and she will dribble for atleast three weeks, ladies be glad were not a female dog, could you imagine bleeding for three weeks? omg
woot!

C'mon everyone, post details about your pet's genitalia. I love hearing about animal secretions! smile


(note: sarcasm)


falloff

Well, I did the responsible thing and got my pets spayed and neutered when they were kittens, so I have nothing to post...everything's A-ok! smile
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Reply #15 posted 06/28/03 10:19am

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applekisses said:

Teacher said:

Paisley, please note that this is not solely meant for u, the somewhat harsh tone is directed at ignorant people. Btw, your dog has already been in heat for like a week wink

As usual, humans tend to forget what can occur if u do have her spayed. Most animals on the whole, both male and female, get fatter, lazier and on the whole without that special spark if u neuter them, if u don't exercise your dog very well u will probably have to get diet food for her, which is very expensive. Also, neutered animals tend to get more aggressive against others of their kind because they no longer carry the scent of a male or female which is the foundation of any society, even our own. All other animals will treat the neutered animal as a neutrum, which to them means without respect. This of course is only a problem if u are good enough to let your dog be with others of its kind, if not then u don't care.

Thirdly, your dog will not bleed for at least three weeks. The heat itself lasts 21 days, and they do not bleed for the first or last week, in normal cases.

As always when discussions of animals arise here, I'm befuddled by the singularly egotistical mind of people, always thinking of themselves but never of the animal. Yes, neutering prevents cancer but it changes most animals, especially dogs into a pet u no longer know. If u have a working dog that u train or compete with, neutering means u can kiss that work goodbye.

Jen
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Excuse me, but I watched what happened to our family dog because my sister didn't bother to get her spayed.
She developed uterine and mammary cancer...her body was literally being eaten away.
If you want to see something that changes an animal's personality, cancer is it.
She should have gotten the dog spayed as a puppy (that's what responsible pet owners do), then all of the so-called 'problems' you are talking about would not exist.
My brother-in-law and sister have two bird dogs who have been fixed since puppyhood and they are fantastic working dogs and wonderful pets.
I think you need to educate yourself ahem...'teacher' Your post is probably the most ignorant I've seen on this thread.


I agree with you.

Male dogs in paticular mellow out after getting them fixed and they are definately more able to be around other dogs. I've never known anyone who had problems getting their dogs fixed and then you don't have to worry about accidents and diapers and humping and the list goes on and on.
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Reply #16 posted 06/28/03 10:39am

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in the US alone, 12 million unwanted pets are euthanized every year - that means over 30,000 TODAY ALONE. additional millions are sitting in shelters, waiting to be adopted. in view of those kinds of numbers, it is unconscionable NOT to spay or neuter your pet.
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Reply #17 posted 06/28/03 10:41am

applekisses

irresistibleb1tch said:

in the US alone, 12 million unwanted pets are euthanized every year - that means over 30,000 TODAY ALONE. additional millions are sitting in shelters, waiting to be adopted. in view of those kinds of numbers, it is unconscionable NOT to spay or neuter your pet.


Thank you clapping
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Reply #18 posted 06/28/03 10:42am

irresistibleb1
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applekisses said:

irresistibleb1tch said:

in the US alone, 12 million unwanted pets are euthanized every year - that means over 30,000 TODAY ALONE. additional millions are sitting in shelters, waiting to be adopted. in view of those kinds of numbers, it is unconscionable NOT to spay or neuter your pet.


Thank you clapping


it's a very sad truth that we've created, and that we need to own up to.
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Reply #19 posted 06/28/03 10:52am

applekisses

irresistibleb1tch said:

applekisses said:

irresistibleb1tch said:

in the US alone, 12 million unwanted pets are euthanized every year - that means over 30,000 TODAY ALONE. additional millions are sitting in shelters, waiting to be adopted. in view of those kinds of numbers, it is unconscionable NOT to spay or neuter your pet.


Thank you clapping


it's a very sad truth that we've created, and that we need to own up to.


Absoulutely...these stats, plus the high-risk of health problems and who wouldn't do the smart and responsible thing to spay or neuter their pets?
Anything else is inhumane.
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Reply #20 posted 06/28/03 10:57am

psychodelicide

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applekisses said:

mcmeekle said:

Paisley said:

She started her period today "yep she's in heat" she's not all horny and shit but I can tell she doesn't feel good cause she's walking around looking all sad sad what really sucks is that she's an indoor dog so I had to put a little pantie on her that holds a pantie liner, and she will dribble for atleast three weeks, ladies be glad were not a female dog, could you imagine bleeding for three weeks? omg
woot!

C'mon everyone, post details about your pet's genitalia. I love hearing about animal secretions! smile


(note: sarcasm)


falloff

Well, I did the responsible thing and got my pets spayed and neutered when they were kittens, so I have nothing to post...everything's A-ok! smile


Yes, I got my cats neutered too when they were babies, and they're happy and content too. The trouble with not neutering male cats is that they spray everywhere, and I hear that the odor is almost impossible to remove. whofarted ill

By the way applekisses, your kitties are sooo cute! I just love cats! biggrin
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RIP, mom. I will forever miss and love you.
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Reply #21 posted 06/28/03 11:17am

Teacher

I should educate myself, u are right... on the subject of why people are so damn irresponsible! U people talk like it's impossible to keep your dog in order when it's in heat, when in fact it's just part of your responsibility as a dog owner. Having a pet is made out of responsibilities, if u can't deal then don't have pets.

What Nan says about male cats is true, I have three male cats and two are neutered, I am waiting till the third one reaches adulthood before I neuter him, I find it the most natural that any individual human or animal should be able to develop their full potential as far as hormones before I spay him. Most likely I wouldn't have to though, because he doesn't have any other male to compete with or mark territory for.
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Reply #22 posted 06/28/03 11:22am

Teacher

applekisses said:


Excuse me, but I watched what happened to our family dog because my sister didn't bother to get her spayed.
She developed uterine and mammary cancer...her body was literally being eaten away.
If you want to see something that changes an animal's personality, cancer is it.
She should have gotten the dog spayed as a puppy (that's what responsible pet owners do), then all of the so-called 'problems' you are talking about would not exist.
My brother-in-law and sister have two bird dogs who have been fixed since puppyhood and they are fantastic working dogs and wonderful pets.
I think you need to educate yourself ahem...'teacher' Your post is probably the most ignorant I've seen on this thread.


Apples, u do know that cancer discovered at an early stage, both mammarian and uterian, can be treated by emergency spaying, right? There are telltale signs when your female dog get those types of cancer, and it's your RESPONSIBILITY as a dog owner to look out for those. Mammarian cancer of course can be discovered just by petting the dog, and if u walk the dog further than the garden u will see it behaving like it had a bladder infection, at which point u should take it to the vet.

These types of cancer are common, but not common enough that spaying by default is needed. At least not in Europe.
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Reply #23 posted 06/28/03 11:27am

irresistibleb1
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I should educate myself, u are right... on the subject of why people are so damn irresponsible! U people talk like it's impossible to keep your dog in order when it's in heat, when in fact it's just part of your responsibility as a dog owner. Having a pet is made out of responsibilities, if u can't deal then don't have pets.

What Nan says about male cats is true, I have three male cats and two are neutered, I am waiting till the third one reaches adulthood before I neuter him, I find it the most natural that any individual human or animal should be able to develop their full potential as far as hormones before I spay him. Most likely I wouldn't have to though, because he doesn't have any other male to compete with or mark territory for.


i actually agree with you in terms of the unnatural things we do to animals, such as cropping ears, docking tails, declawing, etc. all of those things are done for either purely cosmetic reasons, or (even worse) for our own convenience. while your point is well taken, when it comes to spaying and neutering, i still believe that the pet overpopulation is not only due to a handful of irresponsible pet owners. we all have to do our part in cutting down on ANY kind of breeding, intentional or accidental.
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Reply #24 posted 06/28/03 12:25pm

Teacher

irresistibleb1tch said:


i actually agree with you in terms of the unnatural things we do to animals, such as cropping ears, docking tails, declawing, etc. all of those things are done for either purely cosmetic reasons, or (even worse) for our own convenience. while your point is well taken, when it comes to spaying and neutering, i still believe that the pet overpopulation is not only due to a handful of irresponsible pet owners. we all have to do our part in cutting down on ANY kind of breeding, intentional or accidental.


I think I can deduce from yout posts that u are american. In the US the problem is so much worse because there are puppy and kitten factories, making the pets so easily available. These factories don't care about inbreeding or diseases following it, they only care about producing as many pets as they can. Following this then are diseases, when people who've bought a puppy or a kitten and they find out just exaclty how much money will be required ot take care of their pet, many people leave them at the clinic and they are either treated and moved to a shelter or put down at the clinic.
A beautiful person called Flerida that used to frequent this site under the name RaneStarr made a website after having bought two puppies from a petstore. She was ignorant when she bought the pups, but she educated herself when she found out her puppies were inbred.

Much heart to Flerida through this, I miss u honey!
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Reply #25 posted 06/28/03 1:54pm

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irresistibleb1tch said:


i actually agree with you in terms of the unnatural things we do to animals, such as cropping ears, docking tails, declawing, etc. all of those things are done for either purely cosmetic reasons, or (even worse) for our own convenience. while your point is well taken, when it comes to spaying and neutering, i still believe that the pet overpopulation is not only due to a handful of irresponsible pet owners. we all have to do our part in cutting down on ANY kind of breeding, intentional or accidental.


I think I can deduce from yout posts that u are american. In the US the problem is so much worse because there are puppy and kitten factories, making the pets so easily available. These factories don't care about inbreeding or diseases following it, they only care about producing as many pets as they can. Following this then are diseases, when people who've bought a puppy or a kitten and they find out just exaclty how much money will be required ot take care of their pet, many people leave them at the clinic and they are either treated and moved to a shelter or put down at the clinic.
A beautiful person called Flerida that used to frequent this site under the name RaneStarr made a website after having bought two puppies from a petstore. She was ignorant when she bought the pups, but she educated herself when she found out her puppies were inbred.

Much heart to Flerida through this, I miss u honey!


yes, so-called puppy mills are quite common here in the States, and there are a lot of animal welfare organizations that are working to shut them down and to get legislation in place to make them illegal. but we have a long way to go...
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Teacher said:

irresistibleb1tch said:


i actually agree with you in terms of the unnatural things we do to animals, such as cropping ears, docking tails, declawing, etc. all of those things are done for either purely cosmetic reasons, or (even worse) for our own convenience. while your point is well taken, when it comes to spaying and neutering, i still believe that the pet overpopulation is not only due to a handful of irresponsible pet owners. we all have to do our part in cutting down on ANY kind of breeding, intentional or accidental.


I think I can deduce from yout posts that u are american. In the US the problem is so much worse because there are puppy and kitten factories, making the pets so easily available. These factories don't care about inbreeding or diseases following it, they only care about producing as many pets as they can. Following this then are diseases, when people who've bought a puppy or a kitten and they find out just exaclty how much money will be required ot take care of their pet, many people leave them at the clinic and they are either treated and moved to a shelter or put down at the clinic.
A beautiful person called Flerida that used to frequent this site under the name RaneStarr made a website after having bought two puppies from a petstore. She was ignorant when she bought the pups, but she educated herself when she found out her puppies were inbred.

Much heart to Flerida through this, I miss u honey!


I remember RaneStarr, I used to talk to her in the chatroom. What happened to her? Nothing bad, I hope! sad
RIP, mom. I will forever miss and love you.
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Reply #27 posted 06/28/03 4:40pm

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applekisses said:

Teacher said:

Paisley, please note that this is not solely meant for u, the somewhat harsh tone is directed at ignorant people. Btw, your dog has already been in heat for like a week wink

As usual, humans tend to forget what can occur if u do have her spayed. Most animals on the whole, both male and female, get fatter, lazier and on the whole without that special spark if u neuter them, if u don't exercise your dog very well u will probably have to get diet food for her, which is very expensive. Also, neutered animals tend to get more aggressive against others of their kind because they no longer carry the scent of a male or female which is the foundation of any society, even our own. All other animals will treat the neutered animal as a neutrum, which to them means without respect. This of course is only a problem if u are good enough to let your dog be with others of its kind, if not then u don't care.

Thirdly, your dog will not bleed for at least three weeks. The heat itself lasts 21 days, and they do not bleed for the first or last week, in normal cases.

As always when discussions of animals arise here, I'm befuddled by the singularly egotistical mind of people, always thinking of themselves but never of the animal. Yes, neutering prevents cancer but it changes most animals, especially dogs into a pet u no longer know. If u have a working dog that u train or compete with, neutering means u can kiss that work goodbye.

Jen
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Excuse me, but I watched what happened to our family dog because my sister didn't bother to get her spayed.
She developed uterine and mammary cancer...her body was literally being eaten away.
If you want to see something that changes an animal's personality, cancer is it.
She should have gotten the dog spayed as a puppy (that's what responsible pet owners do), then all of the so-called 'problems' you are talking about would not exist.
My brother-in-law and sister have two bird dogs who have been fixed since puppyhood and they are fantastic working dogs and wonderful pets.
I think you need to educate yourself ahem...'teacher' Your post is probably the most ignorant I've seen on this thread.

cosign. If you plan on breeding your pet then don't get him or her fixed. However, if you have no intention of doing so PLEASE get you pet nuetered or spayed. I work in a veterinary hospital and I see what happens to these dogs and cats who aren't fixed. Their health problems are enormous and cost much more than diet pet food. rolleyes Many of the best working dogs are neutered and precisely for that reason. It's training that creates a good work dog. A male dog who is neutered late in life will gain weight and a change of temperment but that is only because they were neutered too late! Animals should be spayed or neutered while they are puppies or kittens (before the first year) and if they are then they will be fine.
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Reply #28 posted 06/28/03 4:43pm

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I find it the most natural that any individual human or animal should be able to develop their full potential as far as hormones before I spay him.

This will do your cat more harm than good. Waiting this long is what causes those changes in behavior you were going on about in your first post.
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Reply #29 posted 06/28/03 11:13pm

applekisses

Teacher said:

I should educate myself, u are right... on the subject of why people are so damn irresponsible! U people talk like it's impossible to keep your dog in order when it's in heat, when in fact it's just part of your responsibility as a dog owner. Having a pet is made out of responsibilities, if u can't deal then don't have pets.

What Nan says about male cats is true, I have three male cats and two are neutered, I am waiting till the third one reaches adulthood before I neuter him, I find it the most natural that any individual human or animal should be able to develop their full potential as far as hormones before I spay him. Most likely I wouldn't have to though, because he doesn't have any other male to compete with or mark territory for.


teacher said: 'U people talk like it's impossible to keep your dog in order when it's in heat, when in fact it's just part of your responsibility as a dog owner.'

I have said nothing about keeping a dog 'in order' while it's in heat...its the illnesses (mostly cancer) that concern me. It's more prevalent than you think.

Also, you've said here yourself that when it's inconvienient for you (i.e. your male cats spraying all over your house) you decide to neuter the animals, but if the harm is done to only the animal then it's ok...
I GET IT! smile
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