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Printableian said: No need for excuses, anyone who wears fur as a fashion accessory is a fucking moron in my opinion.
You can probably excuse people living in Siberia etc when they have no means of getting or making man-made materials for clothing. Anyone in the western world that wears real fur is not someone I respect.. Who's with me! Hello modest-rator ?? Futuristic Fantasy | |
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ian said: No need for excuses, anyone who wears fur as a fashion accessory is a fucking moron in my opinion.
You can probably excuse people living in Siberia etc when they have no means of getting or making man-made materials for clothing. Anyone in the western world that wears real fur is not someone I respect.. Who's with me! Now ian, careful with your flaming, you have no right to flame people here, it is in the rules  | |
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Fhunkin said: minneapolisgenius said: ian said: No need for excuses, anyone who wears fur as a fashion accessory is a fucking moron in my opinion.
You can probably excuse people living in Siberia etc when they have no means of getting or making man-made materials for clothing. Anyone in the western world that wears real fur is not someone I respect.. Who's with me! I might wear vintage fur that has been passed down in my family, but not new fur ever. Although, I don't know when I'd ever wear it anyway. I live in Holland for Christ's sake, where you get laughed at for dressing up and actually making an effort to look good. ??? I live in holland too, never noticed that though !! I do. Jeans and a t-shirt is dressed up where I live. "I saw a woman with major Hammer pants on the subway a few weeks ago and totally thought of you." - sextonseven | |
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ian said: No need for excuses, anyone who wears fur as a fashion accessory is a fucking moron in my opinion.
You can probably excuse people living in Siberia etc when they have no means of getting or making man-made materials for clothing. Anyone in the western world that wears real fur is not someone I respect.. Who's with me! I wouldn't go so far to say a F***ing Moron, that may be a little harsh. But I would say that if they CHOOSE this type of accessory they were either a bit mentally challenged or had no proper upbringing about social behavior. It's all LEARNED or passed down. ---------------------------------
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minneapolisgenius said: Fhunkin said: minneapolisgenius said: ian said: No need for excuses, anyone who wears fur as a fashion accessory is a fucking moron in my opinion.
You can probably excuse people living in Siberia etc when they have no means of getting or making man-made materials for clothing. Anyone in the western world that wears real fur is not someone I respect.. Who's with me! I might wear vintage fur that has been passed down in my family, but not new fur ever. Although, I don't know when I'd ever wear it anyway. I live in Holland for Christ's sake, where you get laughed at for dressing up and actually making an effort to look good. ??? I live in holland too, never noticed that though !! I do. Jeans and a t-shirt is dressed up where I live. Hmmm, yeah that's allready above the everage  But I was more refering to the "get laughed" part !!Futuristic Fantasy | |
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ian said: No need for excuses, anyone who wears fur as a fashion accessory is a fucking moron in my opinion.
You can probably excuse people living in Siberia etc when they have no means of getting or making man-made materials for clothing. Anyone in the western world that wears real fur is not someone I respect.. Who's with me! That reminds me of the liner notes inside the Rave album cover. I was so proud of it that I wrote it all out onto my school folder! NOTE: THIS ACCOUNT IS NOW CLOSED. PLEASE CONTACT “K A M  L L E” | |
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jthad1129 said: ian said: No need for excuses, anyone who wears fur as a fashion accessory is a fucking moron in my opinion.
You can probably excuse people living in Siberia etc when they have no means of getting or making man-made materials for clothing. Anyone in the western world that wears real fur is not someone I respect.. Who's with me! I wouldn't go so far to say a F***ing Moron, that may be a little harsh. But I would say that if they CHOOSE this type of accessory they were either a bit mentally challenged or had no proper upbringing about social behavior. It's all LEARNED or passed down. Yeah I'm a bit harsh, I'll grant you. But that's just me. I'm one of those irritating self-righteous vegetarians... I feel that people who eat meat wrong to do it, regardless of their upbringing. No excuses, everyone should take responsibility for what they do  | |
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How is leather made? Is that made as crule as fur? NOTE: THIS ACCOUNT IS NOW CLOSED. PLEASE CONTACT “K A M L L E” | |
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jthad1129 said: ian said: No need for excuses, anyone who wears fur as a fashion accessory is a fucking moron in my opinion.
You can probably excuse people living in Siberia etc when they have no means of getting or making man-made materials for clothing. Anyone in the western world that wears real fur is not someone I respect.. Who's with me! I wouldn't go so far to say a F***ing Moron, that may be a little harsh. But I would say that if they CHOOSE this type of accessory they were either a bit mentally challenged or had no proper upbringing about social behavior. It's all LEARNED or passed down. For f*cks sake, you could say that about everything we wear or do... Proper upbringing? 
Social behaviour?
Mentally Challenged?
Maybe for Murders and Rapists, but come on, even that is a bit harsh... We could argue all night and all day...people wear leather shoes, vegetarians may eat eggs from battery hens, people wear synthetics, there is alot more damage caused to the enviroment because of the chemicals and pollution making such eco-friendly, non-leather/faux fur products... And, if you live in a country where this is 'normal' wear, how can you call everyone socially challenged, etc Also look at Madonna, Naomi Campbell etc who all wear fur now... Maybe people who wear plastic, pvc, pu shoes, use synthetic bags, listen to vinyl recored, even CDs are mentally challenged or have had no proper up bringing
Where do you stop????? 
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REDFEATHERS said: there is alot more damage caused to the enviroment because of the chemicals and pollution making such eco-friendly, non-leather/faux fur products...
That is such a bullshit cop-out, it doesn't merit mentioning. I don't have a clue what the manufacturing process is for creating "faux fur" (and nor do you, I'll wager) but it scarcely matters - if it is ecologically damaging, wear something else that isn't. Live according to your means, your morals and your conscience. Whatever gets you through the day. I reserve the right to think you are wrong of course. | |
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Fhunkin said: ian said: No need for excuses, anyone who wears fur as a fashion accessory is a fucking moron in my opinion.
You can probably excuse people living in Siberia etc when they have no means of getting or making man-made materials for clothing. Anyone in the western world that wears real fur is not someone I respect.. Who's with me! Hello modest-rator ?? No offence intended Fhunkin However if you do wear real fur, I think you are wrong to do that, and I think we'll have to agree to disagree. | |
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CAMILLE4U said: How is leather made? Is that made as crule as fur?
People say wearing fur is more cruel, but it isnt really. The argument is that foxes, mink etc are killed only for their fur, which is correct, but some animals are bred only for their skins, for leather alone. Other animals are bred for their meat alone...it is not like 'the old days' where a cow can be killed for its meat and skin, hooves etc PLUS all these vegetarians who go on about eating meat is wrong, animals would die out if we didnt eat meat...which farmer is gonna keep cows and sheep cos they look pretty in a field? It is a business, and that is how it works...they breed animals, the animals are sold, slaughtered, while their young are looked after ...blah! blah! You know it, that is the way it goes... | |
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REDFEATHERS said: PLUS all these vegetarians who go on about eating meat is wrong, animals would die out if we didnt eat meat...which farmer is gonna keep cows and sheep cos they look pretty in a field? It is a business, and that is how it works...they breed animals, the animals are sold, slaughtered, while their young are looked after ...blah! blah!
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REDFEATHERS said: And, if you live in a country where this is 'normal' wear, how can you call everyone socially challenged, etc No matter what is 'normal wear' it's still your choice and you can choose NOT TOO. Got to go now, on the way to the morgue to skin me a human to make me a nice coat for the winter. Cotton is running short ---------------------------------
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ian said: REDFEATHERS said: there is alot more damage caused to the enviroment because of the chemicals and pollution making such eco-friendly, non-leather/faux fur products...
That is such a bullshit cop-out, it doesn't merit mentioning. I don't have a clue what the manufacturing process is for creating "faux fur" (and nor do you, I'll wager) but it scarcely matters - if it is ecologically damaging, wear something else that isn't. Live according to your means, your morals and your conscience. Whatever gets you through the day. I reserve the right to think you are wrong of course. Faux fur, I do not know, leather and synthetics I DO know ian, it is the industry I work in... My point is that fur or not, fake or not, synthetics are ecologically damaging, believe me I have been to the factories, I have been to abbatoirs too. Please dont presume or 'wager' I know fuck all about this - I do... I dont go around wearing fur coats, I love wearing leather and eating meat, I do have a conscience, but if we really thought about everything we wear and do and analyse it all, we would go crazy... Everyone is different, we have different beliefs, habits and standards, that what makes the world go round  | |
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ian said: REDFEATHERS said: PLUS all these vegetarians who go on about eating meat is wrong, animals would die out if we didnt eat meat...which farmer is gonna keep cows and sheep cos they look pretty in a field? It is a business, and that is how it works...they breed animals, the animals are sold, slaughtered, while their young are looked after ...blah! blah!
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REDFEATHERS said: CAMILLE4U said: How is leather made? Is that made as crule as fur?
People say wearing fur is more cruel, but it isnt really. The argument is that foxes, mink etc are killed only for their fur, which is correct, but some animals are bred only for their skins, for leather alone. Other animals are bred for their meat alone...it is not like 'the old days' where a cow can be killed for its meat and skin, hooves etc PLUS all these vegetarians who go on about eating meat is wrong, animals would die out if we didnt eat meat...which farmer is gonna keep cows and sheep cos they look pretty in a field? It is a business, and that is how it works...they breed animals, the animals are sold, slaughtered, while their young are looked after ...blah! blah! You know it, that is the way it goes... Ok, first, leather comes from factory farmed cows that were raised for their flesh. If you buy leather, you support factory farming. And yes, their hooves and whatnot are still used to make various by-products (glue, jello, etc). Second, cows, pigs, chickens, all of the animals that we factory farm, DON'T EXIST IN NATURE. If we didn't breed them, they wouldn't exist. And that is FINE. Their lives are so miserable that it's better if they don't exist. And "while their young are looked after"? Well, if by "looked after" you mean "forced to stand in tiny pens in their own shit", yes, that's true. Fur is the (very inhumane) raising of animals to murder them in order to wear their pretty skin/hair. It is barbaric and wrong. The bottom line is this (and madam, considering your sig line, I'd think you might be interested): there is no good reason for saying that the suffering of animals is morally irrelevant merely because they are not human. Their suffering matters, and to cause that suffering for something trivial, such as to use them for fabric, is sick and wrong. Doing the same because of your tastebuds' preference is similarly wrong. For more info, so that future statements might be based on something like fact, please visit. www.whyvegan.com [This message was edited Thu Jun 26 9:06:51 PDT 2003 by tackam] | |
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Melissa, I owe you some vegan Skittles... | |
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ian said: Melissa, I owe you some vegan Skittles...
Someday history will remember us as the reasonable and compassionate ones. "They, who ate the vegan Skittles". . .there will be holidays in remeberance of us. . .my gawd, it will be beautiful. | |
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"Vegetarianism for me is about saying ‘yes’ to things - even meat."
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CAMILLE4U said: "Vegetarianism for me is about saying ‘yes’ to things - even meat."
(quote From http://www.bbc.co.uk/come...ndex.shtml ) That was brilliant... they're out on DVD now aren't they? | |
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ian said: CAMILLE4U said: "Vegetarianism for me is about saying ‘yes’ to things - even meat."
(quote From http://www.bbc.co.uk/come...ndex.shtml ) That was brilliant... they're out on DVD now aren't they?Season 1 + 2 are. I'm still waiting for season 3. (I'm guessing that 3 will be out around september time) It's a great show. Not many BBC comedys these days are as good as the clasics. (Clasics being Bottom, Young ones, Blackadder, Red dwarf and stuff) but Coupling and My Family reach that great standard. NOTE: THIS ACCOUNT IS NOW CLOSED. PLEASE CONTACT “K A M L L E” | |
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Fhunkin said: minneapolisgenius said: Fhunkin said: minneapolisgenius said: ian said: No need for excuses, anyone who wears fur as a fashion accessory is a fucking moron in my opinion.
You can probably excuse people living in Siberia etc when they have no means of getting or making man-made materials for clothing. Anyone in the western world that wears real fur is not someone I respect.. Who's with me! I might wear vintage fur that has been passed down in my family, but not new fur ever. Although, I don't know when I'd ever wear it anyway. I live in Holland for Christ's sake, where you get laughed at for dressing up and actually making an effort to look good. ??? I live in holland too, never noticed that though !! I do. Jeans and a t-shirt is dressed up where I live. Hmmm, yeah that's allready above the everage But I was more refering to the "get laughed" part !!Oh, that's just my paranoia talking. "I saw a woman with major Hammer pants on the subway a few weeks ago and totally thought of you." - sextonseven | |
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tackam said: REDFEATHERS said: CAMILLE4U said: How is leather made? Is that made as crule as fur?
People say wearing fur is more cruel, but it isnt really. The argument is that foxes, mink etc are killed only for their fur, which is correct, but some animals are bred only for their skins, for leather alone. Other animals are bred for their meat alone...it is not like 'the old days' where a cow can be killed for its meat and skin, hooves etc PLUS all these vegetarians who go on about eating meat is wrong, animals would die out if we didnt eat meat...which farmer is gonna keep cows and sheep cos they look pretty in a field? It is a business, and that is how it works...they breed animals, the animals are sold, slaughtered, while their young are looked after ...blah! blah! You know it, that is the way it goes... Ok, first, leather comes from factory farmed cows that were raised for their flesh. If you buy leather, you support factory farming. And yes, their hooves and whatnot are still used to make various by-products (glue, jello, etc). Second, cows, pigs, chickens, all of the animals that we factory farm, DON'T EXIST IN NATURE. If we didn't breed them, they wouldn't exist. And that is FINE. Their lives are so miserable that it's better if they don't exist. And "while their young are looked after"? Well, if by "looked after" you mean "forced to stand in tiny pens in their own shit", yes, that's true. Fur is the (very inhumane) raising of animals to murder them in order to wear their pretty skin/hair. It is barbaric and wrong. The bottom line is this (and madam, considering your sig line, I'd think you might be interested): there is no good reason for saying that the suffering of animals is morally irrelevant merely because they are not human. Their suffering matters, and to cause that suffering for something trivial, such as to use them for fabric, is sick and wrong. Doing the same because of your tastebuds' preference is similarly wrong. For more info, so that future statements might be based on something like fact, please visit. www.whyvegan.com [This message was edited Thu Jun 26 9:06:51 PDT 2003 by tackam] Hmm...www.vegan.com...well have you ever lived where I live??? As I said before, animals were put on this earth for our consumption, some lead very good lives, maybe you should pass by mine sometime...  | |
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REDFEATHERS said: Hmm...www.vegan.com...well have you ever lived where I live???
Do you live on EARTH??? Or do live somewhere where living cruetly free is not an option? REDFEATHERS said: As I said before, animals were put on this earth for our consumption, some lead very good lives, maybe you should pass by mine sometime...
From the word around here... no thank you. Kudos to Ian, Tackam and some others who support a higher level of consciencousness and are intune with deeper issues in regards to life. Also, for making this worthless thread something decent. Sign 78 that you're obsessed with Prince: You buy a John Prine album- just out of curiosity.
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REDFEATHERS said: tackam said: REDFEATHERS said: CAMILLE4U said: How is leather made? Is that made as crule as fur?
People say wearing fur is more cruel, but it isnt really. The argument is that foxes, mink etc are killed only for their fur, which is correct, but some animals are bred only for their skins, for leather alone. Other animals are bred for their meat alone...it is not like 'the old days' where a cow can be killed for its meat and skin, hooves etc PLUS all these vegetarians who go on about eating meat is wrong, animals would die out if we didnt eat meat...which farmer is gonna keep cows and sheep cos they look pretty in a field? It is a business, and that is how it works...they breed animals, the animals are sold, slaughtered, while their young are looked after ...blah! blah! You know it, that is the way it goes... Ok, first, leather comes from factory farmed cows that were raised for their flesh. If you buy leather, you support factory farming. And yes, their hooves and whatnot are still used to make various by-products (glue, jello, etc). Second, cows, pigs, chickens, all of the animals that we factory farm, DON'T EXIST IN NATURE. If we didn't breed them, they wouldn't exist. And that is FINE. Their lives are so miserable that it's better if they don't exist. And "while their young are looked after"? Well, if by "looked after" you mean "forced to stand in tiny pens in their own shit", yes, that's true. Fur is the (very inhumane) raising of animals to murder them in order to wear their pretty skin/hair. It is barbaric and wrong. The bottom line is this (and madam, considering your sig line, I'd think you might be interested): there is no good reason for saying that the suffering of animals is morally irrelevant merely because they are not human. Their suffering matters, and to cause that suffering for something trivial, such as to use them for fabric, is sick and wrong. Doing the same because of your tastebuds' preference is similarly wrong. For more info, so that future statements might be based on something like fact, please visit. www.whyvegan.com [This message was edited Thu Jun 26 9:06:51 PDT 2003 by tackam] Hmm...www.vegan.com...well have you ever lived where I live??? As I said before, animals were put on this earth for our consumption, some lead very good lives, maybe you should pass by mine sometime... I don't know where you live. But if you have regular access to a computer, you almost certainly live in a place where the majority of animal products come from factory farms, and where you have accesst to vegan food. Ie. where you do have the option of avoiding needless cruelty. Of course, this is all moot where it comes to fur, as fur production is the same everywhere in the western world. The happy cows you see by the side of the road on occasion do not represent the majority, or even a very sizable minority, of the source of animal products. "Put on this earth for our consumption". . . Do you mean by a God? Why did that (presumably loving, compassionate) God make them capable of suffering? Does he not care that we make innocents suffer? Does your God think cruelty to animals is ok? What would Jesus do? or Do you mean by nature? That is not an excuse. Rape, murder, theft. . .all entirely natural. And wrong, for creatures such as ourselves who are capable of recognizing moral responsiblity to those we have control over. Girl, I gots nothing against YOU, but you are trying to defend the victimization of helpless, sentient individuals. I am dedicated to being their voice. Nothing personal. | |
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REDFEATHERS said: Yes! Yes! Yes! In my case yes they do make me happy and make me...ummm...really happy!!
Now this isnt a shallow thread, cos I know material things do not bring total happiness, but what is your little thing you get really excited about, material-wise??? P.S. Excluding Music!! shoes are the shibby!,  | |
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Yes they make me happy...I have an upwards of 60 pairs some I have I wear with only one outfit or some I do not wear at all such as my Dennis Rodman Chuck Taylors from when he was with the bulls.
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REDFEATHERS said: tackam said: REDFEATHERS said: CAMILLE4U said: How is leather made? Is that made as crule as fur?
People say wearing fur is more cruel, but it isnt really. The argument is that foxes, mink etc are killed only for their fur, which is correct, but some animals are bred only for their skins, for leather alone. Other animals are bred for their meat alone...it is not like 'the old days' where a cow can be killed for its meat and skin, hooves etc PLUS all these vegetarians who go on about eating meat is wrong, animals would die out if we didnt eat meat...which farmer is gonna keep cows and sheep cos they look pretty in a field? It is a business, and that is how it works...they breed animals, the animals are sold, slaughtered, while their young are looked after ...blah! blah! You know it, that is the way it goes... Ok, first, leather comes from factory farmed cows that were raised for their flesh. If you buy leather, you support factory farming. And yes, their hooves and whatnot are still used to make various by-products (glue, jello, etc). Second, cows, pigs, chickens, all of the animals that we factory farm, DON'T EXIST IN NATURE. If we didn't breed them, they wouldn't exist. And that is FINE. Their lives are so miserable that it's better if they don't exist. And "while their young are looked after"? Well, if by "looked after" you mean "forced to stand in tiny pens in their own shit", yes, that's true. Fur is the (very inhumane) raising of animals to murder them in order to wear their pretty skin/hair. It is barbaric and wrong. The bottom line is this (and madam, considering your sig line, I'd think you might be interested): there is no good reason for saying that the suffering of animals is morally irrelevant merely because they are not human. Their suffering matters, and to cause that suffering for something trivial, such as to use them for fabric, is sick and wrong. Doing the same because of your tastebuds' preference is similarly wrong. For more info, so that future statements might be based on something like fact, please visit. www.whyvegan.com [This message was edited Thu Jun 26 9:06:51 PDT 2003 by tackam] Hmm...www.vegan.com...well have you ever lived where I live??? As I said before, animals were put on this earth for our consumption, some lead very good lives, maybe you should pass by mine sometime... 
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