Why are you mad? And, I'm not gay, but I fully comprehend that gay people are born gay.
It's like being born with brown eyes, or brown skin or anything else that makes us all different. But, we're all human and deserve the whole human experience -- especially love.

I think a lot of straight people have problems with gay people because when they think about gays they only think about them having sex.
Maybe they even think about themselves having sex with a same-sex partner and that makes them uncomfortable.
At any rate, there is SOOO much more to a person than who they sleep with...how degrading to focus on only that.

sorry it wasn't directed towards you



as for your ability to comprehend the gayness,
you're one of the lucky ones I guess...

ThreadBare said:

as does your responses, they do not honor yourself, your cause, your agenda, or your social standing.

I would ask you to wonder what it would be like if you, by law, could not pro-create. But that would be a right that you once had and then had it taken away. This is a right that we never had. We can defend our country and legally kill other human beings (via the electric chair), we can perform abortions, we can drink alcohol and still fly a plane or drive a car, we can do many things that you, personally consider wrong, but we still have the right to do it as free Americans.

This is not a cause, as you say, it is a right that i have as a human being. Denying me this right does little to honor your cause.

jthad1129 said:

Can I propose to you?
*Gooey gets on his knees*

gooeythehamster said:

well, since you are already on your knees, i suppose

pimpdoutt said:

'the gayness'?

Is that like 'the plague' or 'the clap'? You make it sound like being gay is like having a disease!

pimpdoutt said:

YES! Why get married to ANYBODY!

It sure as hell DOES NOT "solidify" the relationship!

Why pay money to have a wonderful "union" with someone that you feel worthy of sharing your space with?

Why PAY MONEY to fucking "end" a relationship?

The number 1 reason for Divorce!!!???...MARRIAGE!

but that's just me...

pimpdoutt said:

well, that's easy! to register at williams sonoma and crate and barrel, silly!

applekisses said:

reposition edit....
[This message was edited Tue Jun 24 16:24:40 PDT 2003 by SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy]

this thread pisses me off
anyone should be able to get married if that what they wanna do!!
saying that gay people shouldnt want the right to get married is as narrow as saying that black people shouldnt marry white people etc..etc..etc...

this is the problem with GAYS when it comes to explaining themselves to bigotted STRAIGHT people...

the emotion overrides reason and the point is lost...





this is how the biggots win the argument everytime!




the question is:

WHY?



What makes GAYS think that they can do it just because the straights can?

Like I mentioned above, all those flowery "love" excuses are just doo-doo

Why do YOU want to get married?

pimpdoutt said:

pimpdoutt said:

What I don't get is how I'm supposed to be nice about the fact that I and or other gay people are being denied the same rights as everyone else. No matter the emotion involved in this debate, our points are made clear as day. This whole "emotion" argument is nothing more than a distraction to avoid the issue at hand.

Anyone unwilling to see those points because they are made emotionally is simply unwilling to see them...

emotional edit
[This message was edited Tue Jun 24 12:26:30 PDT 2003 by SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy]

"is simply unwilling to see them"...


absolutely...


what i'm saying is:

DON'T GIVE THEM THAT POWER OVER YOU!!

:NO: :NO: :NO: :NO: :NO: :NO:


that simply is one MORE thing for them to hold over you

pimpdoutt said:

They aren't going to agree no matter how nice any of us are about it. So, I think we might as well show how upset we are about it and show that we are willing to fight. This is a war on our people and I for one am willing to fight it.

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[This message was edited Tue Jun 24 12:34:28 PDT 2003 by SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy]

pimpdoutt said:

wow..you are just ignorant.

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

I AM TOO...let's get 'EM...

M A T R I X flashback





YES! be ANGRY!






If you get complacent with the current state of things, you'll never get ahead.


BUT what I'm saying is...(refering to V's post)


Your points need to make sense.


Like Jthad listed his 5 points on the economics of the situation.

What he said made sense.


and I'm not saying this to put you down V!

I'm trying to give you a stronger leg to stand on!

There is a difference

fact of the matter is...we just need to agree to disagree on this one pimpoutt...mmm kay??
and violett has left the building

For those of you that don't know, I myself am on "your team"

I started this thread because I want to know how people really feel about this issue.

It's important that we as a people really come to terms as to WHAT it is we are REALLY fighting for!!!

Why do we want we we're fighting for?

I know that if I started the thread saying, "ok I'm gay and..." the response I would have gotten would have been way different.

But the point I'm trying to make is, we still have a long way to go before we get to be treated as equals in this day & age.

Put up an INTELLIGENT fight.

:PIMP:

pimpdoutt said:

well..that was a dirty trick...all to see how intelligent people are?? well..i may not have the words to explain what i feel about this issue (which is typical for me...im not good with words) but i do have a heart of gold..and i do accept people for what and who they are..and try to help people in any way that i can..whenever i can..i dont lie about who i am..or disguise who i am to prove a point.
that really wasnt fair of you.
but..i understand what you were trying to do...
and i respect you as a person for trying to make people think.

I think the majority of the support for this within the gay community is to establish legal precedence for our own equality as American citizens. It's against the law to discriminate based on your genitalia, based on your religion, based on your ethnicity, based on race, based on handicap. But it's legal to discriminate against us because?...

I don't think many gay people really care whether straight society sanctions our relationships. I've never needed it to live a happy and successful life.

ThreadBare said:

If you call people standing up for their rights immature, then I guess you're right.

Apparently I have failed to successfully emphasize the fact that these "oppositions", as you call them, are carried into action against us! These beliefs are used by the overwhelming majority of people in religious institutions to legitimize their hatred of us and deny us the same fundamental rights that everyone else enjoys. The religious right pushes to enact anti-gay legislation. The religious right teaches their peers and their children to despise our lifestyle to the point that people cannot make the destinction between opposing our "lifestyle" or opposing us as people.

Do you know how many times I have sat in church as a child listening to my family, friends and the masses of strangers lauding "Amens", "Hallelujahs" and shouts of agreement and praise over vile and hateful messages about homosexuals? I couldn't even begin to count. Do you know what this does to a young child? Do you understand the isolation, the fear, the guilt and the sadness that comes along with seeing that even your own family and friends believe in the hateful messages preached against you? I know this still happens in churches, halls and mosques around the nation and that is why I speak out so boldly against the tools used against me and my kind.

These teachings and beliefs are supposedly used to attack an "act" engaged in by consenting adults. The way I see it, unless I'm getting fucked right before your very eyes, it has absolutely nothing to do with you or anyone else. If I'm in my very own bedroom with someone who has chosen to be with me and with whom I've chosen to be with then it's really not anybodys damn business. In reality these attacks aren't on an "act", they are on people. They are attacks on children. Afterall, many of us know we are gay since early childhood. These attacks are preached to children who have NEVER EVEN ENGAGED IN THIS ACT!! It would be one thing if these attacks were directed solely at adults who are capable of defending themselvs but nobody ever cares that we as children are a part of the congregation that is being preached to!

Nobody cares that children bear the brunt of these attacks. As I no longer participate in fellowship with those who believe me deserving of hell, I don't have to listen to these attacks but there are plenty of children who are forced to be subjected to these attacks because they have no choice other than to go to church with their parents. Nobody cares that because of these hateful vicious preachings against us that many kids turn to suicide!! Nobody cares that we are inflicted with overwhelming psychological and emotional distress years before we ever engage in the "sinful" act! Isn't it a Christian virtue to care about the wellbeing of children?



We aren't talking flashbacks here. We are talking about our way of life. We are talking about the suppression of our rights. We are talking about people living in fear because of your so called "opposition". I wish I could say that I only had to encounter this a few times, as opposed to the nearly daily occurance.



You certainly have the right to explain your position, just as I have the right to come out full force against positions that affect my life.



Well hopefully our responses will wake some of you up to realize we are here and we aren't going tolerate being pushed around. Simply because we have written bold responses does not negate the truthfullness of what we are saying, and certainly doesn't mean we lack honor. Exactly the opposite, we are honorable enough to fight for what's right, our right to enjoy our freedoms as American citizens and our right to live happy lives without persecution. That's quite honorable.

You'll have to excuse us for not wanting to play nice. The church never has, so I could care less if it or it's beleivers are offended by what I say...

I've

always said:

mcmeekle said:

Are we really gonna start this argument?...

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

It was just a joke!

mcmeekle said:

Actually, that joke was wide open so to speak and I thought I'd better approach it with care

why not??
maybe the better question should be...why does anyone have the right to tell them they CAN'T marry???