Why?!

Besides the economics of the topic ofcourse...

But why else?

What's the big deal?

Is it just a point of being able to win that right from the government?

Is it because we're conditioned to believe that you HAVE to get married eventually?

WHY?!

The same reasons as a straight couple. To anounce and celerbrate their love.

pimpdoutt said:

Love? No, no that can´t be it. Lemme see... Cause gay people are strange space aliens who eat fruit cake for every meal? Yes that must be it!

CAMILLE4U said:

That's one of the only benefits really. Along with marriage will come divorce...

Because marriage is a symbol of union between two people. It is simply a way for two people to express their love for each other, by signing a pact that says they will be with each other forever.

Yes marriage has some financial benefits, from tax benefits, to insurance benefits. But most importantly, it symbolizes two people's committment to each other.

It's not as if gay people are just trying to make life difficult for the government. Gay people merely want the same rights afforded to everyone else. What is the big deal about granting this right?

This marriage is one recognized by the government only, and not by any religious organization, so this should not matter either. Why SHOULDN'T gay people be afforded the right of marriage?

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

Come on man. So tons of people take marriage 4 grantage, so what? Not all marriages are gonna end bad. Ya gotta hold on to the dream, ya know.

CAMILLE4U said:

Exactly! Why would people get married in the 1st place?!

Vibrator said:

sadly enough, I think pimpdoutt may actually believe your statement.

savoirfaire said:

The thing that burns the hell out of me is these fake claims that marriage needs to be protected and that our gaining access to the rite of marriage will lead to the demise of the family and moral fabric. Hell, if you give us a chance to show that we are capable of being committed, won't that add to the moral fabric?

Fuck the religious right and their propaganda bullshit

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

Ok,I just need to make sure about this. I totally agree with what you just said, but as a reply to my post, it sounded like you were angry or in disagreement with me. So were you? If so, I must have phrased this wrong, and I'm sorry, because I totally feel the same way as you here.

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[This message was edited Mon Jun 23 12:40:35 PDT 2003 by pimpdoutt]

"To celebrate our love"...

Why can't you celebrate it without having a piece of paper that legally gives you that right?

Is that really it?

So say that marriage is granted to gay people...

Now say that you are granted all the rights except the economical rights.

Do you really still want to get married?

CAMILLE4U said:

Will you marry me? I swear I will only play for the other team if you say yes!

stymie said:

I think U know me well enough to know that I ain't gonna marry a guy, but thanks anyway.

savoirfaire said:

Oh no, I'm sorry. It wasn't directed at you at all. It just made me think of the point I made and I had to include an just because

dumbass said:

CAMILLE4U said:

Stymies signature... Proud honorary bi chick of the Gay Org Mafia

Wanna reconsider?

pimpdoutt said:

I'm with Pimp on this one. Marriage is in the heart anyway. No certificate guarantees a successful one and a lack of certificate doesn't make 2 peoples love and commitment any less. I only really approve of this for political reasons.

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

YES, OH GOD YES!!!

CAMILLE4U said:

PLAY 4 BOTH TEAMS AND LET ME WATCH!!!

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

that's what i'm saying...


get married for what?

marriage as it stands nowadays is just a mockery of what once was.



as it stands now, if it doesn't work out, you can pick up your *hit and go...

why get all legal about it?

CAMILLE4U said:

You are so cool, C4U!

I really think it's just because it's been denied to gays for so long...

If it were a right how many of you would really exercise it faithfully?

NOT SAYING THAT YOU'RE ALL A BUNCH OF NON MONOGAMUS (SP?) HOMOS

BUT REALLY...ANSWER HONESTLY...



:PIMP2:

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

Pardon me for posting the obvious: But a lot of social opposition -- possibly, the bulk of it -- to sanctioning the marriage of two women or two men is because it would involve just that: the abandonment of what has been THE definition of marriage -- a man and a woman joining as one before God and people.

When the family is viewed as the foundation of society, implicit within that model is the notion of standards, of principles. That "father/mother/child" model, under this view and ideally, represents the perpetuation of what is best about society. And, from a physiological standpoint, it has until recently represented the perpetuation of society.

An abandonment of that model just seems fundamentally wrong to a lot of people.

Vibrator said:

ThreadBare said:

and fundamentally right 2 others.
Try our big gay shoes 4 size 4 a day.
PS: why do u feel the need 2 pardon yourself? I dont.

ThreadBare said:

So my having the right to legally get married will automatically cause all of straight society to abandon the practice? It does no such thing. If it were legal tomorrow, would that really destroy the legitimacy and the commitment between a straight couple? The answer is a resounding NO! This is propaganda plain and simple.

And let me remind you that many straight families destroy our family placement by essentially abandoning us and or banishing us from them. Do I need to point out the obvious fact that we are children of parents, siblings to others. If straight society were really interested in protecting the family unit, they would never destroy our place in it no matter our orientation...

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[This message was edited Mon Jun 23 14:25:05 PDT 2003 by SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy]

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

There's a difference between abandoning a practice (what you asked about) and abandoning a definition (what I actually said). And, i didn't say widening the definition of marriage to include gay unions would destroy the legitmacy of "straight" marriages. To many people, straight ones would remain the only legitmate marriages.

And, let me remind you that not all people banish their gay children (even among Christian circles). Some people try to find ways to still be loving while not condoning the behavior or lifestyle.

A number of dysfunctional families exist, so it's obvious being straight doesn't guarantee the perpetuation of loving, respectful values. Prejudice could well be called an invisible heirloom. I understand that.

You can call my stand propaganda all you want. But moral, religious codes are the basis for our society. You asked whether gay marriages would strengthen the social fabric, and I told you why many people believe it would have the opposite effect.

1. If your parents and family disowned you when you came out, you only have your partner. If you are married, they can make medical dicisions for you in case of an accident or emergency. The way it is now, your lover/partner whatever may not even be able to go into intensive care because they are not a 'family' member. They have no say in your care etc. If you are 'married' then you have a legal spouse. Hell, even a next of kin. Your partner could not even check you out of the hospital.

2.Benefits. My partners work gives their employee's 'legally married spouses' and their children full medical benifits, dental, etc. Some cool companies like Bank of America give domestic partner benefits too.

3.Even the car insurance company told me yesterday that if I was married, I could get a better rate with both our cars insured. I said, how about a 'domestic partner', they said, oh no.

4. Even renting an apartment or buying a house, there are two applications, two credit checks, you are still two separate people just living together.

I could go on but it is just shouting out equal rights for all. Do you care if women vote? Do you care if blacks ride in the front of the bus? Let people who love each other get married and get on with your own lives.

We don't want 'SPECIAL' privilages just EQUAL rights, the same things that hetero married couples get. Thats it.