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Thread started 06/23/03 11:07am

IceNine

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For those of you who love Apple Computer products as much as I do...

...Steve Jobs is still delivering his keynote speech at the Worldwide Developers Conference and the Apple Store is offline with a message that they are busy updating the store. This means that Apple is releasing new hardware. biggrin

With any luck, the new PowerPC G5 is going to be released!

Damn, I love Apple.
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Reply #1 posted 06/23/03 11:12am

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I've been into the Apple store in the Mall of America and all I saw was a lot of overpriced stuff. It was pretty, but I could not find one thing that Apple had that I could not find in the PC format at a lower price and at the same quality.

Damn, I hate Apple wink

Just to clarify while I was in college we used Mac's almost exclusively and I did not see any difference in performance or ability and I found navigation to be harder.
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Reply #2 posted 06/23/03 11:13am

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lovemachine said:

I've been into the Apple store in the Mall of America and all I saw was a lot of overpriced stuff. It was pretty, but I could not find one thing that Apple had that I could not find in the PC format at a lower price and at the same quality.

Damn, I hate Apple wink

Just to clarify while I was in college we used Mac's almost exclusively and I did not see any difference in performance or ability and I found navigation to be harder.


You are that one person in a million who finds the Mac harder to use... be proud! biggrin
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Reply #3 posted 06/23/03 11:15am

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IceNine said:

lovemachine said:

I've been into the Apple store in the Mall of America and all I saw was a lot of overpriced stuff. It was pretty, but I could not find one thing that Apple had that I could not find in the PC format at a lower price and at the same quality.

Damn, I hate Apple wink

Just to clarify while I was in college we used Mac's almost exclusively and I did not see any difference in performance or ability and I found navigation to be harder.


You are that one person in a million who finds the Mac harder to use... be proud! biggrin


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Reply #4 posted 06/23/03 11:16am

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i think that if i hadnt learned everything i know about computers ( which isnt very much ) on a pc...i would be alll over apple drool but as it stands...they just frustrate me..becasue i never know what the hell is going on biggrin
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Reply #5 posted 06/23/03 11:18am

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I still haven't converted, but our graphics guy here at the office runs OS/X and man...it's really pretty. Especially that animated taskbar.
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Reply #6 posted 06/23/03 11:21am

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teller said:

I still haven't converted, but our graphics guy here at the office runs OS/X and man...it's really pretty. Especially that animated taskbar.


Especially with the new DUAL-2 Ghz, 64-bit PPC 970 processor computers that are being announced right now... this fucker will CRUSH anything out there. biggrin

Macs are the best.
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Reply #7 posted 06/23/03 11:23am

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Some notes from the WWDC from MacCentral:

The world's fastest personal computer. Three things: Chip, system, product.

The G5, in partnership with IBM. 64-bit processor. Runs existing 32-bit apps no problem. Running at up to 2GHz. 1GHz front side bus (FSB). Built for full Symmetric Multiprocessing (SMP). Massively parallel architecture. "Just the beginning." 130 nanometer process, 58 million transistors.

...more to come.
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Reply #8 posted 06/23/03 11:28am

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The world's fastest personal computer. Three things: Chip, system, product.

The G5, in partnership with IBM. 64-bit processor. Runs existing 32-bit apps no problem. Running at up to 2GHz. 1GHz front side bus (FSB). Built for full Symmetric Multiprocessing (SMP). Massively parallel architecture. "Just the beginning." 130 nanometer process, 58 million transistors.

System control features point to point architecture. Dedicated bandwidth to main memory for each subsystem. 8GB per second of bandwidth into the processor. 12 times the bandwidth of the G4, no slowdown for second processor. 400MHz 128bit wide DDR memory. 6.4GB/sec of memory bandwidth. 8x AGP graphics. 133MHz PCI-X slots, 2GB per second bandwidth. HyperTransport to main G5 system controller. Serial ATA to connect to drive, 1.5GB per second of bandwidth. FireWire 800 and 400, USB 2.0, AirPort Extreme, Bluetooth, optical I/O.

New Power Macs support up to 8GB of RAM.
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Reply #9 posted 06/23/03 11:29am

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ice!! you geek wink lol
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Reply #10 posted 06/23/03 11:29am

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violett said:

ice!! you geek wink lol


As far as dorks go, I am DEAD SEXY though! :LOL:
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Reply #11 posted 06/23/03 11:31am

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IceNine said:

violett said:

ice!! you geek wink lol


As far as dorks go, I am DEAD SEXY though! :LOL:


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Reply #12 posted 06/23/03 11:31am

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violett said:

IceNine said:

violett said:

ice!! you geek wink lol


As far as dorks go, I am DEAD SEXY though! :LOL:


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Speaking of DEAD SEXY, Apple's new all-aluminum case for the G5 is the one. biggrin
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Reply #13 posted 06/23/03 11:32am

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IceNine said:

The world's fastest personal computer. Three things: Chip, system, product.

The G5, in partnership with IBM. 64-bit processor. Runs existing 32-bit apps no problem. Running at up to 2GHz. 1GHz front side bus (FSB). Built for full Symmetric Multiprocessing (SMP). Massively parallel architecture. "Just the beginning." 130 nanometer process, 58 million transistors.

System control features point to point architecture. Dedicated bandwidth to main memory for each subsystem. 8GB per second of bandwidth into the processor. 12 times the bandwidth of the G4, no slowdown for second processor. 400MHz 128bit wide DDR memory. 6.4GB/sec of memory bandwidth. 8x AGP graphics. 133MHz PCI-X slots, 2GB per second bandwidth. HyperTransport to main G5 system controller. Serial ATA to connect to drive, 1.5GB per second of bandwidth. FireWire 800 and 400, USB 2.0, AirPort Extreme, Bluetooth, optical I/O.

New Power Macs support up to 8GB of RAM.


GeForceFX 5200 Ultra and Radeon 9600 Pro graphics. All aluminum enclosure. 9 fans and computer-controlled cooling. Quieter -- 30dBa (twice as quiet as G4).
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Reply #14 posted 06/23/03 11:37am

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Reply #15 posted 06/23/03 11:38am

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Very good!

If you have never been to one of these conferences, they are geek city.. But alot of knowledge is to be learned..

Is it in Vegas? That is the one I attended.. Wrong move. I had way to much fun.
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Reply #16 posted 06/23/03 11:39am

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sag10 said:

Very good!

If you have never been to one of these conferences, they are geek city.. But alot of knowledge is to be learned..

Is it in Vegas? That is the one I attended.. Wrong move. I had way to much fun.


This one is in San Francisco... lots of good Apple news today!

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Reply #17 posted 06/23/03 11:48am

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Other great stuff...

iChat AV: "Goes beyond just text chat" with audio chat and video chat. "Video conferencing for the rest of us." Zero setup/configuration. Plug in the camera, the rest happens automatically. Shows how your buddies are set up, as well. Location-independent. Works with any FireWire camera or camcorder. 56K modem minimum required. Demonstrated with Phil Schiller. Also demonstrated audio chat via Paris. Switched Paris connection to video. Demonstrated receiving iChat AV feed with Al Gore. Free beta coming today for Panther and Jaguar. Will be included for Panther, $29 upgrade for Jaguar.

New video camera: iSight. Full motion video up to 30fps, 640x480, auto focus lens, auto exposure, dual element mic, powered by FireWire. Mounts (clips) in iBooks and PowerBooks, sticks on the back of an iMac or Cinema Display, also mounts on eMac. (three stands included) $149.
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Reply #18 posted 06/23/03 11:49am

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lovemachine said:

IceNine said:

lovemachine said:

I've been into the Apple store in the Mall of America and all I saw was a lot of overpriced stuff. It was pretty, but I could not find one thing that Apple had that I could not find in the PC format at a lower price and at the same quality.

Damn, I hate Apple wink

Just to clarify while I was in college we used Mac's almost exclusively and I did not see any difference in performance or ability and I found navigation to be harder.


You are that one person in a million who finds the Mac harder to use... be proud! biggrin


"What was all that one in a million talk?" - Lloyd Christmas


lol

That was a classic!
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Reply #19 posted 06/23/03 11:51am

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IceNine said:

New video camera: iSight. Full motion video up to 30fps, 640x480, auto focus lens, auto exposure, dual element mic, powered by FireWire. Mounts (clips) in iBooks and PowerBooks, sticks on the back of an iMac or Cinema Display, also mounts on eMac. (three stands included) $149.

Aha! Another vertical integration!!! nod

I may yet buy AAPL shares...
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Reply #20 posted 06/23/03 12:00pm

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Apple and IBM announce 3GHz G5 within next 12 months.

Phil Schiller shows bakeoff, showing that G5 is 2.1x faster. It takes 15 minutes to transition code to G5 (just recompiling). The G5 wins in 3D rendering, Mathematica 5 (both matrix and integer calculations--over twice as fast). Mathematica: "The competition isn't PCs anymore. It's high-end Unix workstations, and the G5 is faster than them too." Schiller demos Emagic audio software where 1000 simultaneous voices can be played with 24-bit (high) quality stereo. Then shows 100 EQs, 8 bands each (with stereo) == 1600 bands. The G5 handles it with only 25% usage. Summary: Photoshop is 2.1x faster, Luxology is 2.3x faster, Mathematica is 2.3x faster, and Emagic (no calculation wink

Jobs then touted the G5 Power Mac's performance against Dell. The dual 3.0GHz Xeon (533MHz Bus, 512MB RAM) from Dell costs $4000 and isn't as fast. It has the same stuff but slower. All three Power Mac G5 machines are due in August. SPEC int test show that 2GHz G5, the 3GHz P4 (fastest available), and 3.0Ghz Xeon. Using the GCC 3.3 compiler, VeriTest independent test lab showed that the G5 is 10$ slower on integer, but 21% faster on FPU. The dual G5 smoked the P4 and dual Xeon. It is 41% faster on FPU than the dual-Xeon and 3% faster on integer (via SPEC tests). Both single and dual processor tests were shown. Adobe said that Photoshop will be updated when these machines are released.

Now Product. Up to 8 GB of memory. Eveything is on independent buses so there's no bandwidth clogging. The memory is 40x faster. You can transfer an entire DVD in one second if everything was in RAM. It features a Nvidia GeForce 5200 FX Pro chip in the low-end and an ATI Radeon 9600 Pro in the high-end. It offers up to 500GB of storage and a 4x SuperDrive. It has a new case with a more advanced, slightly more boxy enclosure. It is light grey, all-aluminum enclosure, which is very thin. The rear has a mesh backing. It has handles ("straight up" not diagonal). It is quieter than previous generation machines. The front is totally mesh for air circulation (as is the back). There are 4 separate thermal zones (power supply, processor bay, I/O cards, and rotating storage. It has nine different fans, which are independently speed controlled. It is 35dBA at normal use (twice as quiet as the current G4 Macs). Modelsstart at 1.6MHz ($2000, GF FX5200, 256MB of RAM), 1.8GHz (double memory, double disk, $2399) and dual 2.0GHz ($2999, Radeon 9600 Pro).

Next: System. It offers 8GBps of bandwidth using DDR memory. The G5 processor are connected to the system controller by independent busses. There is no competition for bandwidth because it has 12x. It features a 400Mhz 128-bit DDR Memory (RAM) with 6.5 GBps of bandwidth. Grahis is AGP 8x Pro Graphics with 2GBps of bandwidth (power for Pro Cards) and HyperTransport for the drives, 133MHz PCI-X, FireWire 800/400, USB 2.0, Gigabit Ethernet, Optical Digital Audio (new).

Apple shows off the worlds fastest PC with three things: chip (G5), system, product. The G5 has some amazing properties: it's a 64-bit processor, runs up to 2GHz, and has a 1GHz front-side bus. It offers full SMP ("designed entirely for SMP"). The G5 has a the industry's highest bandwidth using an entirely new architecture. It is massively parallel with a 12 unit core with 2 FPUs and is capable of 16 in-flihgt operations.It uses the world's most advanced chip fabrication by IBM: 130nm process, SOI 8 layer interconnects, 58 million transistors, 300 mm (12-inch wafters. IBM VP says it "costs $3 billion to fab this thing" because they "shrunk the gate length to 6 atomic units."
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Reply #21 posted 06/23/03 12:11pm

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Gosh...with all this talk about Apples I feel like I've got my own devote-a-thread touched (minus the technical mumbo-jumbo, of course smile )
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Reply #22 posted 06/23/03 3:00pm

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Yeay! I love Apple Computer products as much as anybody in the world, and guess what I got for my graduation present?

An iPod!

I just got it and opened it this morning. It's a thing of beauty. I named her Camille. She's a sexy little bitch.

Sorry. Just had to share.
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