Taking as the perspective: my job.

When I arrive at 7 in the morning, there is an army of north-african woman vacuming the building and cleaning desks.

At about 11:00 in the morning, an african man comes to refill our coffeemachine.

At about the same time, another african man comes to clean the toilets.

So the people who the white people used to have to work for them as slaves, still work for them, only now they are paid to do it.
I have worked at a lot of office/buildings, but I have NEVER seen a white person do this work.

Isn´t this a bit strange...?

ChocolateInvasion said:

yes. where do you live again? I have definitely seen white people doing this kind of work but I live in New England. I would think that these things would be different depending on the geographic location and culture.

ChocolateInvasion said:

Most of them are either white or Asian here.

There's a big difference between being captured or bred, bought, sold and abused as property and working a service-industry job.

Inequity of wages in American society notwithstanding (and that is a serious issue), this thread topic makes a serious leap.

There's a world of difference between the two existences. Admittedly, a person in a low-wage job has extremely limited options, but that person is not property and *still has* some options.

are you sure they were African, and not from Australia?

ThreadBare said:

True there is a big difference, but it are still the same people doing the same work. That´s what´s bothering me

Here in Cali they are mostly hispanic...

Guess it varies everywhere!

Most of them are either white or Asian here.

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There is this Co. that won't be named, and in this one paticular facility (in So. Cali) there were 700 employees.
In Adminastrstion there were three (3) Blacks, Which was almost the biggest consintration of Blacks. The rest was made up
of (from the most to the least) Whites, Asians, and a Mexican.
In R&D the mix was different. There were more Asians, But
the heads of the Departments were all White. And there were no Blacks, Or Mexicans there.
In Merchidising There were three (3) Hispanics (Non-Mexican)
Three (3) Asians and the rest were White.
In the machine shop, The head of the Machineshop was a Young Black Man, There were seventeen (17) Asians, the rest were White.
In Assymbly There were two (2) Blacks, the rest (in order of
most to least) were Vietnamese, Laotions, Koreans, and Mexicans...
The ENTIRE Janitorial Staff consisted of six (6)
Blacks, and a Puerto Rican...
Is this an "ODD MAN OUT" Co. NO!!!
Again i say "Look around you where ever you go before trying to sugar coat, or POO POO whut's being said.
Esspeacially in Africa
They out number the White, i'm sure, So they would fill in the Most of jobs, but i didn't here him say it was a Black Owned Co.
So them being in that position must seem stange to even the layman...



Oh Yeah...
The Co. i speak of was this way just LAST YEAR and in other
facilities (of that co.) It's even more lopsided.

ChocolateInvasion said:

what's bothering me is that any idiot can make your observation, but only a special type of idiot can do so while ignoring the fact that other races do the same work as well, thus negating any point you are trying to make, if there is a point at all.

ChocolateInvasion said:

Our cleaner is white.

Having said that, not one black person has aplied for a job with us in 15 months i've been there.We have White, Indian, Pakistani and a Southern African person working in our office.

We're a harmonious bunch!

ChocolateInvasion said:

But, not in all cases. As a number of people have noted, there are many exceptions to your point that (only) blacks work in those types of service positions. If anything, in my travels, the trend I've most often seen has been hispanic workers in those positions.

I've worked in several law firms as support staff, and I've always noticed the mailroom/repro guys are always of color (and almost ALWAYS male), and the people behind desks are predominantly white (except for the secretaries, who have a pretty diverse make-up, other than the fact that they're predominantly WOMEN).

I think one day these standards will be seen as archaic. That day hasn't come yet.

ALSO

Let me Qualify my previous post...

Janitorial is the Little Sister of MAINTAINENCE

The Co. polocy for hiring is, If you already work for the Co. you can apply for any other position with in the Co.
and you ( if you qualify ) get first dibs on that position.
Janitors get paid better than those in asssymbly, but less than Maintainence, Those that applied for Janitorial from assymbly (Whites) were put in Maintainence. The Janitorial
Staff was hired outside of the 'exsisting workforce'
There were Twenty (20) Maintainence Men... All White, and
Trained for the position... It's whut those on Janitorial strived to get to

Hmmm, a multitude of colors. Just like a rainbow

dumbass said:

Wait, u mean Austrailians like althom, bkw & Bliss right?

PURPLEJACKSON9 said:

Yep, them those Austrialian dudes. They from down under.

ChocolateInvasion said:

The other thing that bothers me about this is that blacks have tons of opportunities that our slave ancestors lacked. There's so much we can do to make sure we advance in schools, get good educations and make the most of those opportunities. We all are not working on cleaning staffs.

Any Londoners in the house can back up this obvious fact yeah, check out the workers doing the dirty jobs of the Underground rail network.

ThreadBare said:

My situation, is the situation in Holland. There aren't many hispanics around here.
I don't say that's the only job black people can have...not at all. I work in a group of well-paid high-educated people, and white is the minority color!

It's just that the one who áre doing the 'dirty jobs' still are black people. That goes for at my school, at my job and when I am outside the ones who are cleaning the streets and train-station.

Furthermore, most of the black people who do these jobs, haven't been in Holland for a long time and don't speak the language, since the often lack eduacation (I know, I speak with them all the time at work) they don't have much job opportunities.
I think it's really good, that they do jobs like these instead of remaining home and collect wellfair.

ChocolateInvasion said:

I'm not slamming you, CI, honest: But it's always amazed me how welfare collection has become synonymous with black descendants of slaves. Most welfare recipients in America aren't black. Is that the case in Holland?
[This message was edited Mon May 19 11:37:15 PDT 2003 by ThreadBare]

ChocolateInvasion said:

I live in Holland Chocolate, and I can really see what you are talking about. It's hard to explain the situation to people who don't live here. Completely different than in the U.S., which I am just assuming most people that have responded to this thread, are from.

ThreadBare said:

I never said that. But we are talking about the black people doing the dirty jobs. They cán decide to stay at home and do nothing. Like so many black persons...and even so many white persons.
You deserve a lot of credit when you decide to work for your money, especially in this case, where people are doing dirty and hard work, for no more money then they would get when staying at home. Very much respect to them...

ChocolateInvasion said:

I hear ya, friend. I'm agreeing with you, but more toward the point that blacks have historically made that same decision.

If you were in the United States, I think your perspective would change...

sag10 said:

Could very well be. I had already taken that into account, that's why I noted my perspective...nót in the US.

ChocolateInvasion said:

At my job, white Dutch people do this 'dirty' work.
Further, it is not 'dirty'work and not like any surprise that people who aren't Dutch, have no education and don't speak the language well, get these kind of jobs.

ChocolateInvasion said:

Some people just don't want to do the work, so they get other people to do it for them, be they slaves, servents, nannies, chamber maids or whatever. And if there are no people around, they get animals to do the work, and if there are no people or animals around, they will create a machine to do it for them. No work, just all play...lazy ass somsabitches.

Some people don't want to even think for themselves, let alone do some work. They let religion, or a book, or a movie, or a computer do the thinking for them...lazy ass somsabitches.

Nonworking + nonthinking = stupid ass sheep who think they got ALL the answers.

luv4thepurple1 said:

yep... fast food joints, landscaping, farming, any kind of hard labor...