What are your thoughts about humans on the Moon (or beyond)?

Reply #31 posted 03/09/24 12:09am

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WhisperingDandelions said:

The Batman just bumped this thread last night,

'Cause whitey's on the moon.

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I've been to the moon a few times

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Reply #32 posted 03/09/24 7:50am

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kpowers said:

onlyforaminute said:

Well mentioning WWII you know wheer the leap came from. Einstein is one. I don't know that history well but a lot of scientist left that part of the world and ended up in the US. There's some dark and uncomfortable history in all that. Given that the government at some point and time gave all kinds of grant for all kinds of experiments. Basically thowing everything at the wall seeing what stuck.

Very good point

As I said I'm aware it happened but not much detail. Never knew it was 1,600+ scientist. But yeah it makes sense.

Operation Paperclip was a secret United States intelligence program in which more than 1,600 German scientists, engineers, and technicians were taken from the former Nazi Germany to the U.S. for government employment after the end of World War II in Europe, between 1945-59.

The operation was not solely focused on rocketry; efforts were directed toward synthetic fuels, medicine, and other fields of research. Notable achievements, under Paperclip, include advancements in aeronautics, leading to significant progress in rocket and space-flight technologies that were pivotal in the Space Race. The operation played a crucial role in the establishment of NASA and success of the Apollo missions to the Moon.

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Reply #33 posted 03/09/24 8:49am

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onlyforaminute said:
kpowers said:

Very good point

As I said I'm aware it happened but not much detail. Never knew it was 1,600+ scientist. But yeah it makes sense. Operation Paperclip was a secret United States intelligence program in which more than 1,600 German scientists, engineers, and technicians were taken from the former Nazi Germany to the U.S. for government employment after the end of World War II in Europe, between 1945-59. The operation was not solely focused on rocketry; efforts were directed toward synthetic fuels, medicine, and other fields of research. Notable achievements, under Paperclip, include advancements in aeronautics, leading to significant progress in rocket and space-flight technologies that were pivotal in the Space Race. The operation played a crucial role in the establishment of NASA and success of the Apollo missions to the Moon.

A good portions was. "Operation Paperclip" is what the military and government wanted to tell the public (and not) what was going on. You know more stuff was going on that we will never know. Don't be surprised if the US was holding back their adavances because they wanted to see how far the Russians were coming along

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Reply #34 posted 03/11/24 2:15am

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JorisE73 said:

Sure that was right after WW2, but that doesn't explan the sudden leap in tech and progress the US made just before the 70s when Russia had them mostly beat. Like I said I do believe the US went to the moon, just not when they claimed they did.

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Sudden leap??? You have rocket scientists working around the clock for about 25 years straight

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yes, a sudden leap. It's well known that they couldn't figure it out until some unknown 'Eureka' moment landed them on the moon in record time when they weren't even able to steadily put humans in space (and just in time for the 70s as Kennedy 'promised')

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Reply #35 posted 03/11/24 2:34am

ShellyMcG

JorisE73 said:

kpowers said:

JorisE73 said:

Sure that was right after WW2, but that doesn't explan the sudden leap in tech and progress the US made just before the 70s when Russia had them mostly beat. Like I said I do believe the US went to the moon, just not when they claimed they did.

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Sudden leap??? You have rocket scientists working around the clock for about 25 years straight

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Isn't that how scientific breakthroughs happen? Something isn't possible until the moment it is. It seems really strange to me that people are more ready to believe that the Americans lied about it and staged a worldwide cover-up that would require the cooperation of thousands of people including their enemies than they are to believe that having the world's best scientists working with a practically unlimited budget can produce results.

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Reply #36 posted 03/11/24 2:50am

ShellyMcG said:
JorisE73 said:

yes, a sudden leap. It's well known that they couldn't figure it out until some unknown 'Eureka' moment landed them on the moon in record time when they weren't even able to steadily put humans in space (and just in time for the 70s as Kennedy 'promised')

Isn't that how scientific breakthroughs happen? Something isn't possible until the moment it is. It seems really strange to me that people are more ready to believe that the Americans lied about it and staged a worldwide cover-up that would require the cooperation of thousands of people including their enemies than they are to believe that having the world's best scientists working with a practically unlimited budget can produce results.

Like i said before I do believe they landed on the moon eventually just not when they claimed they did in '69 and I'm willing to bet there are more cover-ups that required cooperation of much more than thousands of people. The Russians didn't see them land on the moon in '69 and were sceptical when studying the tech they used later and weren't able to reproduce it. (it was a 'Space Race' after all)
Plus that they claimed that they haven't been able to put people on the moon ever since '72 because there tech (and resources like probably money) didn't allow it or something, which is kind of strange because they claimed by '72 to have put 12 people on there.
If they had the raw footage of the landings than we could have studied it with modern tech but they claim to have reused these tapes with monumentally historic recordings in the histroy of mankind for insignificant projects compared to a moon landing and people walking on it.

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Reply #37 posted 03/11/24 3:03am

ShellyMcG

JorisE73 said:

ShellyMcG said:

JorisE73 said:

yes, a sudden leap. It's well known that they couldn't figure it out until some unknown 'Eureka' moment landed them on the moon in record time when they weren't even able to steadily put humans in space (and just in time for the 70s as Kennedy 'promised')

Isn't that how scientific breakthroughs happen? Something isn't possible until the moment it is. It seems really strange to me that people are more ready to believe that the Americans lied about it and staged a worldwide cover-up that would require the cooperation of thousands of people including their enemies than they are to believe that having the world's best scientists working with a practically unlimited budget can produce results.

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When do you think they actually landed on the moon? Do you believe it was one of the other times they said or do you think it was later?

I have no doubt that the American government has been involved in giant cover-ups but not for something as big as and widely known as the moon landing. I'm sure the technology exists these days that could disprove it if it wasn't true. Telescopes that can see the little American flag or whatever. The Chinese or Russians would love to expose that too so if there was anything to suggest that Neil Armstrong was not the first man on the moon then they would definitely be broadcasting that to anyone willing to listen.

I found this link below as I was typing this message. Might be worth a read for anyone who believes it was faked. It even for those who believe it was real and are just interested in this kind of thing.

https://www.iop.org/explo...o-the-moon
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Reply #38 posted 03/11/24 4:32am

ShellyMcG said:
JorisE73 said:

Like i said before I do believe they landed on the moon eventually just not when they claimed they did in '69 and I'm willing to bet there are more cover-ups that required cooperation of much more than thousands of people. The Russians didn't see them land on the moon in '69 and were sceptical when studying the tech they used later and weren't able to reproduce it. (it was a 'Space Race' after all)
Plus that they claimed that they haven't been able to put people on the moon ever since '72 because there tech (and resources like probably money) didn't allow it or something, which is kind of strange because they claimed by '72 to have put 12 people on there.
If they had the raw footage of the landings than we could have studied it with modern tech but they claim to have reused these tapes with monumentally historic recordings in the histroy of mankind for insignificant projects compared to a moon landing and people walking on it.

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When do you think they actually landed on the moon? Do you believe it was one of the other times they said or do you think it was later? I have no doubt that the American government has been involved in giant cover-ups but not for something as big as and widely known as the moon landing. I'm sure the technology exists these days that could disprove it if it wasn't true. Telescopes that can see the little American flag or whatever. The Chinese or Russians would love to expose that too so if there was anything to suggest that Neil Armstrong was not the first man on the moon then they would definitely be broadcasting that to anyone willing to listen. I found this link below as I was typing this message. Might be worth a read for anyone who believes it was faked. It even for those who believe it was real and are just interested in this kind of thing. https://www.iop.org/explo...o-the-moon [Edited 3/11/24 3:04am]

I think it's more closer to the last missions in the 70s, so around 71/72. I believe the '69 landing was just to safe face against the superior Russians and just to fulfil Kennedy's promise.
It's still highly convienient that they've erased the original tapes and all we are left with is grainy broadcast footage.

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Reply #39 posted 03/11/24 6:40am

ShellyMcG

JorisE73 said:

ShellyMcG said:

JorisE73 said:

Like i said before I do believe they landed on the moon eventually just not when they claimed they did in '69 and I'm willing to bet there are more cover-ups that required cooperation of much more than thousands of people. The Russians didn't see them land on the moon in '69 and were sceptical when studying the tech they used later and weren't able to reproduce it. (it was a 'Space Race' after all)
Plus that they claimed that they haven't been able to put people on the moon ever since '72 because there tech (and resources like probably money) didn't allow it or something, which is kind of strange because they claimed by '72 to have put 12 people on there.
If they had the raw footage of the landings than we could have studied it with modern tech but they claim to have reused these tapes with monumentally historic recordings in the histroy of mankind for insignificant projects compared to a moon landing and people walking on it.

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When do you think they actually landed on the moon? Do you believe it was one of the other times they said or do you think it was later? I have no doubt that the American government has been involved in giant cover-ups but not for something as big as and widely known as the moon landing. I'm sure the technology exists these days that could disprove it if it wasn't true. Telescopes that can see the little American flag or whatever. The Chinese or Russians would love to expose that too so if there was anything to suggest that Neil Armstrong was not the first man on the moon then they would definitely be broadcasting that to anyone willing to listen. I found this link below as I was typing this message. Might be worth a read for anyone who believes it was faked. It even for those who believe it was real and are just interested in this kind of thing. https://www.iop.org/explo...o-the-moon [Edited 3/11/24 3:04am]

What about the evidence left behind by Neil Armstrong and his crew though? Or any of the other evidence that says they went in 69?

I think it's probably a good idea to hold a certain amount of distrust for most world governments, particularly those of the so called "super powers" but for times when all the evidence points to something having happened and not one piece of evidence exists to the contrary, I think it's probably safe to assume that it probably happened the way they say it did.

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Reply #40 posted 03/11/24 7:47am

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Do we really need to question why the US is interested in the Moon again? The same reason as before.

SLIM, Japan’s precision lunar lander
JAXA's Smart Lander for Investigating Moon (SLIM) mission landed on Jan. 19, 2024.

Chandrayaan-3, India's Moon lander and rover
ISRO successfully landed a spacecraft and small rover in the Moon's south polar region

KPLO
Korea's Korea Pathfinder Lunar Orbiter launched in 2022 on a technology demonstration mission aimed at establishing basic lunar exploration capabilities for South Korea. The spacecraft's science payload includes a NASA-provided instrument called ShadowCam

Chang'e-5
China's Chang’e-5 mission returned Moon samples to Earth and is now in a long-term lunar orbit.

Chandrayaan-2
India's Chandrayaan-2 spacecraft studies the composition of the Moon's surface and searches for signatures of water ice

Chang'e-4 and Yutu-2
China's Chang'e-4 mission delivered a landing platform and a rover named Yutu-2 to the Moon's farside.

Future Missions

Queqiao-2
China's Queqiao-2 lunar communications relay satellite is scheduled to launch in early 2024. Also launching on the flight will be Tiandu-1 and Tiandu-2, a pair of experimental lunar communications satellites.

Chang'e-6
China's Chang'e-6 mission, scheduled to launch around May 2024, will return samples from the far side of the Moon

Beresheet2
Israel's Beresheet2 is a privately funded mission scheduled to launch an orbiter and two small landers to the Moon in 2025.

Past Missions

Luna 21 / Lunokhod 2
Successful lunar rover (USSR)

Launched: January. 8, 1973
Lunar landing: January 15, 1973

The rover first took a panoramic shot of the landing site, before it rolled off of its protective shell and onto the lunar surface. The rover was powered by solar panels and kept warm at night by a radioactive heat source. The mission lasted 4 months, during which it took over 80,000 TV pictures and covered 37 kilometers (22 miles) of lunar terrain.

Luna 22
Successful lunar orbiter (USSR)

Launched: May 29, 1974
Lunar landing: June 2, 1974

During its mission, the spacecraft studied the Moon's magnetic field, gamma ray emissions and gravitational field. The mission ended in November 1975

Luna 23
Failed lunar sample return (USSR)

Launched: October 28, 1974

Designed as a sample return mission, Luna 23 was damaged during its moon landing on November 6, 1974 and was unable to collect samples. The spacecraft transmitted data for 3 days before falling silent

Luna 24
Successful lunar sample return (USSR)

Launched: August 9, 1976
Lunar landing: August 18, 1976
Returned to Earth: August 22, 1976

Luna 24 softlanded in the Sea of Crises. The spacecraft collected 170 g of lunar dust and rocks and returned to Earth.

Hiten / MUSES-A
Launched: January 24, 1990
Lunar orbit: March 19, 1990
Crashed into Moon: April 10, 1990

Hiten was launched into a highly elliptical Earth orbit that took it past the Moon 10 times. It released Hagoromo, a small spacecraft that was to go into lunar orbit, but its transmitter failed before it reached the Moon. The Japanese used Hiten to test various technologies for future lunar missions. The spacecraft was intentionally crashed into the moon on April 10, 1993

SMART-1
Launched: September 27, 2003
Lunar orbit: November 15, 2004
Crashed into Moon: September 3, 2006

SMART-1 was powered only by an ion (solar-electric) engine and is the first of the European Space Agency's Small Missions for Advanced Research in Technology, a program to develop a new breed of spacecraft that will demonstrate and test innovative technologies for future deep space missions.

Chang'e 2
Launch: October 1, 2010
Orbit insertion: October 6, 2010
Departed lunar orbit: June 8, 2011
Arrived at Sun-Earth L2: August 25, 2011

Chang'e 2 was a backup to Chang'e 1. After completing its lunar mapping mission objectives in lunar orbit, Chang'e 2 departed for the Earth-Sun L2 Lagrangian point to test the Chinese tracking and control network. It reached L2 on August 25, 2011, becoming the first object to ever reach the L2 point directly from lunar orbit and traveling further than any Chinese spacecraft. Chang'e 2 then left L2 to perform a flyby of the asteroid 4179 Toutatis on December 12, 2012, the first Chinese asteroid encounter. The probe is now traveling through deep space to further verify China's deep-space tracking and control capabilities.

So on and so forth.
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Reply #41 posted 03/11/24 8:28am

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kpowers said:

onlyforaminute said:

kpowers said:

Very good point

As I said I'm aware it happened but not much detail. Never knew it was 1,600+ scientist. But yeah it makes sense. Operation Paperclip was a secret United States intelligence program in which more than 1,600 German scientists, engineers, and technicians were taken from the former Nazi Germany to the U.S. for government employment after the end of World War II in Europe, between 1945-59. The operation was not solely focused on rocketry; efforts were directed toward synthetic fuels, medicine, and other fields of research. Notable achievements, under Paperclip, include advancements in aeronautics, leading to significant progress in rocket and space-flight technologies that were pivotal in the Space Race. The operation played a crucial role in the establishment of NASA and success of the Apollo missions to the Moon.

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A whole iceberg of stuff I'm sure.

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Reply #42 posted 03/11/24 9:49am

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JorisE73 said:

kpowers said:

Sudden leap??? You have rocket scientists working around the clock for about 25 years straight

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yes, a sudden leap. It's well known that they couldn't figure it out until some unknown 'Eureka' moment landed them on the moon in record time when they weren't even able to steadily put humans in space (and just in time for the 70s as Kennedy 'promised')

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Reply #43 posted 03/11/24 10:33am

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i like this thread!

Great insight, outsight and info!!! biggrin

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Reply #44 posted 03/12/24 1:18am

kpowers said:

JorisE73 said:

yes, a sudden leap. It's well known that they couldn't figure it out until some unknown 'Eureka' moment landed them on the moon in record time when they weren't even able to steadily put humans in space (and just in time for the 70s as Kennedy 'promised')

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Ok, I;m just sceptical. thumbs up!

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Reply #45 posted 03/12/24 7:01am

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Astronaut fatalities

During spaceflight

As of March 2024, in-flight accidents have killed 15 astronauts and 4 cosmonauts in five separate incidents.[2] Three of the flights had flown above the Kármán line (edge of space), and one was intended to do so. In each of these accidents the entire crew was killed. As of November 2023, a total of 676 people have flown into space and 19 of them have died. This sets the current statistical fatality rate at 2.8 percent.

30 June 1971 Decompression in space Soyuz 11 Soviet Union Georgy Dobrovolsky
Soviet Union Viktor Patsayev
Soviet Union Vladislav Volkov

24 April 1967 Parachute failure Soyuz 1 Soviet Union Vladimir Komarov

15 November 1967 Control failure X-15 Flight 3-65-97 United States Michael J. Adams

Training jet crash 31 October 1964 (NASA Astronaut Group 3) United States Theodore Freeman

Training jet crash 28 February 1966 Gemini 9 United States Elliot See
United States Charles Bassett

Fire during spacecraft test 27 January 1967 Apollo 1 United States Virgil "Gus" Grissom
United States Ed White
United States Roger B. Chaffee

Among many others. Wish I could easily post pics but words will have to do.
The Fallen Astronaut memorial on the Moon includes the names of most of the known astronauts and cosmonauts who were killed before 1971

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Reply #46 posted 03/12/24 10:21am

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JorisE73 said:

kpowers said:

no

Ok, I;m just sceptical.

Yes be very sceptical. Don't believe what the military and Nasa reports in how the Space program is coming along. US is not showing you all of their cards

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Reply #47 posted 03/12/24 11:24am

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kpowers said:

JorisE73 said:

kpowers said:

no

Ok, I;m just sceptical.

Yes be very sceptical. Don't believe what the military and Nasa reports in how the Space program is coming along. US is not showing you all of their cards

I don't understand what difference does this make. Ok they don't tell us everything.

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Reply #48 posted 03/12/24 2:14pm

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onlyforaminute said:
kpowers said:

Yes be very sceptical. Don't believe what the military and Nasa reports in how the Space program is coming along. US is not showing you all of their cards

I don't understand what difference does this make. Ok they don't tell us everything.

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Reply #49 posted 03/12/24 4:54pm

ShellyMcG	I want to believe. The truth is out there.
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ShellyMcG said:
I want to believe. The truth is out there.

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Reply #51 posted 03/12/24 7:04pm

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ShellyMcG said:
I want to believe. The truth is out there.

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Reply #52 posted 03/12/24 7:08pm

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kpowers said:

onlyforaminute said:

kpowers said:

Yes be very sceptical. Don't believe what the military and Nasa reports in how the Space program is coming along. US is not showing you all of their cards

I don't understand what difference does this make. Ok they don't tell us everything.

comfort

Maybe I'm ok with IDK. I wanna know know what's happening next.

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Reply #53 posted 03/13/24 3:19am

ShellyMcG	purplethunder3121 said: ShellyMcG said: I want to believe. The truth is out there. I'm currently halfway through season 4 of The X-Files and I have such a crush on Mulder
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ShellyMcG	kpowers said: ShellyMcG said: I want to believe. The truth is out there. I love his I.D.
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Reply #55 posted 03/13/24 11:11pm

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I'm less concerned about space / moon than I am about WTF is happening on Earth today.

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"China has announced the goal of landing people on the moon by 2030," Fan Ping said. "And after the goal is accomplished, the next could be the building of a lunar research station, so that we can establish our own home on the moon for more scientific experiments."

China is currently working on attracting partners for a project called the International Lunar Research Station. The country, together with Russia and other partners, aims to begin building the lunar outpost after launching precursor Chang'e 7 and 8 missions around 2026 and 2028.

By the middle of the 2030s, India hopes to have a 20-ton space station in a fixed orbit 248 miles (400 kilometers) above Earth, with capabilities to host astronauts for 15 to 20 days at a time, K. Sivan, former chairman of the Indian Space Research Organisation (ISRO), has previously said.

Further down the pipeline of missions, ISRO is planning a Venus orbiter called Shukrayaan-1 to study the surface of that hellishly hot planet. The payloads for that mission are currently being developed, current ISRO chairman S. Somanath had said last month.

Major consulting firm PwC estimates that the cumulative global lunar transport market for 2020 to 2040 could reach up to $102 billion based on operations carried out in that period.

The Japan Aerospace Exploration Agency's SLIM lander successfully made a pinpoint landing -- within a radius of 100 meters -- on the moon in January. From fiscal 2025, Japan and India will work on the Lunar Polar Exploration (LUPEX) project to investigate water resources in the southern polar region.

The Rwanda Space Agency was created in 2020. Its stated goal is “to regulate and coordinate all space activities in the country while also creating an environment that encourages entrepreneurial and industrial development in order to enable the creation of commercialization products that are globally competitive for local consumption and export markets.”

NASRDA (National Space Research and Development Agency) has a more practical mandate aligned with Nigeria’s current needs, including “the implicit objective for the program has been to aid in the socioeconomic development of the Nigerian people through investment in science, technology, engineering, and mathematics (STEM) education and earth observation technology. Nigeria intends to utilize these future technologies to help fight climate change, aid in agriculture, oppose Boko Haram, and combat the issue of piracy in the Gulf of Guinea.”

The 160-kilo Beresheet craft, built at Israel Aerospace Industries, will be the smallest spacecraft ever sent to the Moon. Onboard is a time capsule containing hundreds of digital files, including a nano Bible, details about SpaceIL, Israeli national symbols and Israeli children’s drawings. The craft also carries instruments to measure the magnetic field of the Moon.

The ship is carrying a disc encoded with a 30-million-page archive of human civilization built to last billions of years into the future. The idea of this “Lunar Library,” according to its creator, Nova Spivack, “is to place enough backups in enough places around the solar system, on an ongoing basis, that our precious knowledge and biological heritage can never be lost.”

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Reply #58 posted 03/14/24 10:45am

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So, after all these wonderful comments, i must admit that my original question was, for me, answered correctly by a few that our world needs way more care and repair before the representatives of this earth venture out to the unknown.

It would surely be disastrous.

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Reply #59 posted 03/14/24 11:22am

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It would surely be disastrous.

"Hey! Let's go out there and fuck some more shit up!!!"

I've never personally studied this but I hear that human innovation is tied to human curiosity. So venturing out creates avenues we couldn't come up with sitting still. Hurdling the challenges of doing the impossible has always rippled out into other areas like in the medical communities or innovations in food productions etc. Heck just making physics work for us in everyday life. We can always go back to hunter gatherer status. We were happy. But I think most ppl like their fancy new gadgets more than some perceived notion that everybody has to focus their interests and talents in a solitary direction in order to get anywhere.

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