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PrintableI don't mean to be a party pooper, but walk into any gay club on a saturday night and you will see the people there living up to the stereotypes of being pill poppers, and whores.
It would have been nice to be able to date someone through highschool, talk with my friends about people I liked, introduce my boyfriend to my parents, etc. All the things that straight people can do freely growing up without reprimand. The social climate and many existing laws help repress the gay lifestyle and discourage long, meaningful relationships. The last thing a homophobe would want to see is a normal loving gay relationship, as it would prove them dead wrong. In most areas in the US, you're not welcome to walk about public holding hands, kissing, etc with your same sex partner. Legally, you're not allowed to have sex with your partner in many states. When I hit 21, and sort of "came out" to friends and coworkers, I also started hitting the gay bars. I was like a kid in a candy store going from guy to guy, with alot of one nighters, alot of drugs, and alot of alcohol. In a way, I was kind of making up for lost time, responding to how much I had to repress my feelings in the years prior to that. I was also still afraid as this was new ground to me, and I didn't have anyone in my family that I could talk to about it, so consequently I turned to booze and substances to mask the stress of it all. I get frustrated looking back at it all now because I wish I would have avoided it all, and not followed the path of a stereotypical "fag". But I think we need to make a better of example of ourselves at the same time in addition to asking others to treat us with respect. | |
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Tom said: I don't mean to be a party pooper, but walk into any gay club on a saturday night and you will see the people there living up to the stereotypes of being pill poppers, and whores.
It would have been nice to be able to date someone through highschool, talk with my friends about people I liked, introduce my boyfriend to my parents, etc. All the things that straight people can do freely growing up without reprimand. The social climate and many existing laws help repress the gay lifestyle and discourage long, meaningful relationships. The last thing a homophobe would want to see is a normal loving gay relationship, as it would prove them dead wrong. In most areas in the US, you're not welcome to walk about public holding hands, kissing, etc with your same sex partner. Legally, you're not allowed to have sex with your partner in many states. When I hit 21, and sort of "came out" to friends and coworkers, I also started hitting the gay bars. I was like a kid in a candy store going from guy to guy, with alot of one nighters, alot of drugs, and alot of alcohol. In a way, I was kind of making up for lost time, responding to how much I had to repress my feelings in the years prior to that. I was also still afraid as this was new ground to me, and I didn't have anyone in my family that I could talk to about it, so consequently I turned to booze and substances to mask the stress of it all. I get frustrated looking back at it all now because I wish I would have avoided it all, and not followed the path of a stereotypical "fag". But I think we need to make a better of example of ourselves at the same time in addition to asking others to treat us with respect. Bravo! you have just shared the common gay experience. yes it is true that most of society looks down upon seeing to ppl of the same sex holding hands/kissing ect ect in public...but thankfully we have come a long way Graci...And yes...it is up to us to continue the "fight"  for equal rights...we are the ppl who are going to set the standard for social change for those who follow us...so now...i put forth the question...what example shall we set?...r we going to continue being the stereotype...or r we gonna prove the sumbitches all wrong?...
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alexnevermind319 said: Tom said: I don't mean to be a party pooper, but walk into any gay club on a saturday night and you will see the people there living up to the stereotypes of being pill poppers, and whores.
It would have been nice to be able to date someone through highschool, talk with my friends about people I liked, introduce my boyfriend to my parents, etc. All the things that straight people can do freely growing up without reprimand. The social climate and many existing laws help repress the gay lifestyle and discourage long, meaningful relationships. The last thing a homophobe would want to see is a normal loving gay relationship, as it would prove them dead wrong. In most areas in the US, you're not welcome to walk about public holding hands, kissing, etc with your same sex partner. Legally, you're not allowed to have sex with your partner in many states. When I hit 21, and sort of "came out" to friends and coworkers, I also started hitting the gay bars. I was like a kid in a candy store going from guy to guy, with alot of one nighters, alot of drugs, and alot of alcohol. In a way, I was kind of making up for lost time, responding to how much I had to repress my feelings in the years prior to that. I was also still afraid as this was new ground to me, and I didn't have anyone in my family that I could talk to about it, so consequently I turned to booze and substances to mask the stress of it all. I get frustrated looking back at it all now because I wish I would have avoided it all, and not followed the path of a stereotypical "fag". But I think we need to make a better of example of ourselves at the same time in addition to asking others to treat us with respect. Bravo! you have just shared the common gay experience. yes it is true that most of society looks down upon seeing to ppl of the same sex holding hands/kissing ect ect in public...but thankfully we have come a long way Graci...And yes...it is up to us to continue the "fight" for equal rights...we are the ppl who are going to set the standard for social change for those who follow us...so now...i put forth the question...what example shall we set?...r we going to continue being the stereotype...or r we gonna prove the sumbitches all wrong?...
Just a question... we gonna prove em wrong...WAY wrong. in reaction to the impending law here in texas that same sex couples can not adopt or foster, the best local weekly rag (that is more respected and read than the actual newspaper here) is running a massive article with front page coverage and everything, and encouraging the str8 people to get out and protest as well. Power tends to corrupt; absolute power corrupts absolutely. - Lord Acton | |
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 It's so heartbreaking to hear stories like this...they are common.
 I do wish that we lived in a world that could see love as love and nothing else. Unfortunately, we've (as a society) got a long way to go.
BUT... It's up to the gay community to stay strong and keep fighting and it's up to we who support that struggle to spread the word. As a straight girl I can't say I know exactly what you're going through. I've had opportunities that you have been denied. But, what I do know is that EVERYONE deserves to be loved...it's our right and as natural as breathing. Alex...believe in yourself and treat yourself well...when you do that you'll be surprised by what will happen
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applekisses said: It's so heartbreaking to hear stories like this...they are common.
I do wish that we lived in a world that could see love as love and nothing else. Unfortunately, we've (as a society) got a long way to go.
BUT... It's up to the gay community to stay strong and keep fighting and it's up to we who support that struggle to spread the word. As a straight girl I can't say I know exactly what you're going through. I've had opportunities that you have been denied. But, what I do know is that EVERYONE deserves to be loved...it's our right and as natural as breathing. Alex...believe in yourself and treat yourself well...when you do that you'll be surprised by what will happen
a revolution is made by the people fighting for it, not just the people who have been oppressed fighting back. as a traight person, you are just as much intregal to the cause as any of us, never doubt that, or feel sorry that you have not experienced the discrimination. Power tends to corrupt; absolute power corrupts absolutely. - Lord Acton | |
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cborgman said: applekisses said: It's so heartbreaking to hear stories like this...they are common.
I do wish that we lived in a world that could see love as love and nothing else. Unfortunately, we've (as a society) got a long way to go.
BUT... It's up to the gay community to stay strong and keep fighting and it's up to we who support that struggle to spread the word. As a straight girl I can't say I know exactly what you're going through. I've had opportunities that you have been denied. But, what I do know is that EVERYONE deserves to be loved...it's our right and as natural as breathing. Alex...believe in yourself and treat yourself well...when you do that you'll be surprised by what will happen
a revolution is made by the people fighting for it, not just the people who have been oppressed fighting back. as a traight person, you are just as much intregal to the cause as any of us, never doubt that, or feel sorry that you have not experienced the discrimination. YOU'RE RIGHT! | |
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cborgman said: alexnevermind319 said: Tom said: I don't mean to be a party pooper, but walk into any gay club on a saturday night and you will see the people there living up to the stereotypes of being pill poppers, and whores.
It would have been nice to be able to date someone through highschool, talk with my friends about people I liked, introduce my boyfriend to my parents, etc. All the things that straight people can do freely growing up without reprimand. The social climate and many existing laws help repress the gay lifestyle and discourage long, meaningful relationships. The last thing a homophobe would want to see is a normal loving gay relationship, as it would prove them dead wrong. In most areas in the US, you're not welcome to walk about public holding hands, kissing, etc with your same sex partner. Legally, you're not allowed to have sex with your partner in many states. When I hit 21, and sort of "came out" to friends and coworkers, I also started hitting the gay bars. I was like a kid in a candy store going from guy to guy, with alot of one nighters, alot of drugs, and alot of alcohol. In a way, I was kind of making up for lost time, responding to how much I had to repress my feelings in the years prior to that. I was also still afraid as this was new ground to me, and I didn't have anyone in my family that I could talk to about it, so consequently I turned to booze and substances to mask the stress of it all. I get frustrated looking back at it all now because I wish I would have avoided it all, and not followed the path of a stereotypical "fag". But I think we need to make a better of example of ourselves at the same time in addition to asking others to treat us with respect. Bravo! you have just shared the common gay experience. yes it is true that most of society looks down upon seeing to ppl of the same sex holding hands/kissing ect ect in public...but thankfully we have come a long way Graci...And yes...it is up to us to continue the "fight" for equal rights...we are the ppl who are going to set the standard for social change for those who follow us...so now...i put forth the question...what example shall we set?...r we going to continue being the stereotype...or r we gonna prove the sumbitches all wrong?...
Just a question... we gonna prove em wrong...WAY wrong. in reaction to the impending law here in texas that same sex couples can not adopt or foster, the best local weekly rag (that is more respected and read than the actual newspaper here) is running a massive article with front page coverage and everything, and encouraging the str8 people to get out and protest as well. Hey! How can I become a member of the gay org mafia? But to jump in the conversation here, I think that most gay men are kind of late bloomers in the whole relationship arena. I came out in my late twenties (pathetic I know but hey I'm from Texas) and when I moved to Los Angeles I had already done the drug/party all night thing in college, however I partied with my straight friends. So when I finally started doing the dating scene the last thing I wanted to do was party all night and do drugs and hang out at clubs and bars (especially since I despise the gay techno nameless diva crap they play at clubs) and it just seemed like most of these guys that I met were a bit too old to be acting like high-schoolers. Add to that the looks-obsessed culture of the gay world in West Hollywood and add to that the fact that you could pretty much get laid anywhere, with anyone, at anytime in LA...the temptations in LA are unbelievable. Everybody wants to have their cake and eat it too. So, I find myself alone for these reasons. Nobody (at least the guys I'm attracted to) wants to even consider a relationship. As for proving society wrong and fighting for equal rights where do I sign up...around here the gay society is very indifferent, hell they've even changed the name of the Pride Festival from the Gay and Lesbian to the Lesbian and Gay Pride Festival because it seemed our gay sisters were doing all the work to set up the festival while my brothers were tanning, working out, ironing the white tank tops...etc... 
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TheResistor said: cborgman said: alexnevermind319 said: Tom said: I don't mean to be a party pooper, but walk into any gay club on a saturday night and you will see the people there living up to the stereotypes of being pill poppers, and whores.
It would have been nice to be able to date someone through highschool, talk with my friends about people I liked, introduce my boyfriend to my parents, etc. All the things that straight people can do freely growing up without reprimand. The social climate and many existing laws help repress the gay lifestyle and discourage long, meaningful relationships. The last thing a homophobe would want to see is a normal loving gay relationship, as it would prove them dead wrong. In most areas in the US, you're not welcome to walk about public holding hands, kissing, etc with your same sex partner. Legally, you're not allowed to have sex with your partner in many states. When I hit 21, and sort of "came out" to friends and coworkers, I also started hitting the gay bars. I was like a kid in a candy store going from guy to guy, with alot of one nighters, alot of drugs, and alot of alcohol. In a way, I was kind of making up for lost time, responding to how much I had to repress my feelings in the years prior to that. I was also still afraid as this was new ground to me, and I didn't have anyone in my family that I could talk to about it, so consequently I turned to booze and substances to mask the stress of it all. I get frustrated looking back at it all now because I wish I would have avoided it all, and not followed the path of a stereotypical "fag". But I think we need to make a better of example of ourselves at the same time in addition to asking others to treat us with respect. Bravo! you have just shared the common gay experience. yes it is true that most of society looks down upon seeing to ppl of the same sex holding hands/kissing ect ect in public...but thankfully we have come a long way Graci...And yes...it is up to us to continue the "fight" for equal rights...we are the ppl who are going to set the standard for social change for those who follow us...so now...i put forth the question...what example shall we set?...r we going to continue being the stereotype...or r we gonna prove the sumbitches all wrong?...
Just a question... we gonna prove em wrong...WAY wrong. in reaction to the impending law here in texas that same sex couples can not adopt or foster, the best local weekly rag (that is more respected and read than the actual newspaper here) is running a massive article with front page coverage and everything, and encouraging the str8 people to get out and protest as well. Hey! How can I become a member of the gay org mafia? But to jump in the conversation here, I think that most gay men are kind of late bloomers in the whole relationship arena. I came out in my late twenties (pathetic I know but hey I'm from Texas) and when I moved to Los Angeles I had already done the drug/party all night thing in college, however I partied with my straight friends. So when I finally started doing the dating scene the last thing I wanted to do was party all night and do drugs and hang out at clubs and bars (especially since I despise the gay techno nameless diva crap they play at clubs) and it just seemed like most of these guys that I met were a bit too old to be acting like high-schoolers. Add to that the looks-obsessed culture of the gay world in West Hollywood and add to that the fact that you could pretty much get laid anywhere, with anyone, at anytime in LA...the temptations in LA are unbelievable. Everybody wants to have their cake and eat it too. So, I find myself alone for these reasons. Nobody (at least the guys I'm attracted to) wants to even consider a relationship. As for proving society wrong and fighting for equal rights where do I sign up...around here the gay society is very indifferent, hell they've even changed the name of the Pride Festival from the Gay and Lesbian to the Lesbian and Gay Pride Festival because it seemed our gay sisters were doing all the work to set up the festival while my brothers were tanning, working out, ironing the white tank tops...etc...
Contact your local GLADD office or community outreach program...offer to counsel young gay men in your community who are just coming out...luckily...i have www.lemaisonchat.cjb.net which helps out with our small community here in Kentucky...it is setting a model for others in our area...  | |
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TheResistor said: Hey! How can I become a member of the gay org mafia? But to jump in the conversation here, I think that most gay men are kind of late bloomers in the whole relationship arena. I came out in my late twenties (pathetic I know but hey I'm from Texas) and when I moved to Los Angeles I had already done the drug/party all night thing in college, however I partied with my straight friends. So when I finally started doing the dating scene the last thing I wanted to do was party all night and do drugs and hang out at clubs and bars (especially since I despise the gay techno nameless diva crap they play at clubs) and it just seemed like most of these guys that I met were a bit too old to be acting like high-schoolers. Add to that the looks-obsessed culture of the gay world in West Hollywood and add to that the fact that you could pretty much get laid anywhere, with anyone, at anytime in LA...the temptations in LA are unbelievable. Everybody wants to have their cake and eat it too. So, I find myself alone for these reasons. Nobody (at least the guys I'm attracted to) wants to even consider a relationship. As for proving society wrong and fighting for equal rights where do I sign up...around here the gay society is very indifferent, hell they've even changed the name of the Pride Festival from the Gay and Lesbian to the Lesbian and Gay Pride Festival because it seemed our gay sisters were doing all the work to set up the festival while my brothers were tanning, working out, ironing the white tank tops...etc...
welcome to the mafia, resistor. you're gonna find that almost all of the guys in the mafia avoid the shallow gay clones too. they are a bad representation, and annoying for the most part. feel free to put a mention of your membership in your signature if you like. a lot of the mafia members have them in ours, so that you will know which ones are fellow brothers and sisters of the mafia. make sure you introduce yourself to all the others. Power tends to corrupt; absolute power corrupts absolutely. - Lord Acton | |
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Hey resistor  whereabouts in LA do you live?Im in Silverlake! | |
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PhilG said: Hey resistor
whereabouts in LA do you live?Im in Silverlake!Well, I'm your neighbor...I'm in SilverLake too... Are we the only two Prince fans in the area?
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Welcome the Resistor...  | |
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TheResistor said: PhilG said: Hey resistor
whereabouts in LA do you live?Im in Silverlake!Well, I'm your neighbor...I'm in SilverLake too... Are we the only two Prince fans in the area? cool, I dunno .Im a new member of the LA Bumpsquad. http://groups.yahoo.com/g...bumpsquad/ Maybe there's silverlakians there.I love silverlake,don't you? | |
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All I have to say is &  to Alex. All hail King Alex! | |
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It is very true that when most of us come out, we are experiencing for the very first time all the things that straight people have been encouraged to do. I didn't have my first kiss until I was 18 and out of highschool!
When I came out I used to go to a local Gay and Lesbian Community center and hang out with the youth group there. We used to have "raps" and this would be where a group of young gay people 25 and under would get together and discuss a topic. Overall this gave me a very healthy outlet to express myself and make friends, some of which I've had for 15 years now. It was so sad because one time we had a joint rap with the adult group and there was this man in his 80s and he raised his hand to speak and he addressed himself to the youth that were there. He told us how proud he was that we made the choice to come out at such a young age and just broke down and sobbed because it wasn't until he was in his 80s that he finally came out. He lammented about how he missed out on everything in his life because he was not able to come out without losing his family, his friends and maybe even his life. It is this experience that makes me an ardent vocal supporter of our community and anyone and everyone who accepts, supports and loves us.
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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: It is very true that when most of us come out, we are experiencing for the very first time all the things that straight people have been encouraged to do. I didn't have my first kiss until I was 18 and out of highschool!
When I came out I used to go to a local Gay and Lesbian Community center and hang out with the youth group there. We used to have "raps" and this would be where a group of young gay people 25 and under would get together and discuss a topic. Overall this gave me a very healthy outlet to express myself and make friends, some of which I've had for 15 years now. It was so sad because one time we had a joint rap with the adult group and there was this man in his 80s and he raised his hand to speak and he addressed himself to the youth that were there. He told us how proud he was that we made the choice to come out at such a young age and just broke down and sobbed because it wasn't until he was in his 80s that he finally came out. He lammented about how he missed out on everything in his life because he was not able to come out without losing his family, his friends and maybe even his life. It is this experience that makes me an ardent vocal supporter of our community and anyone and everyone who accepts, supports and loves us.
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