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new trailer

MickyDolenz said:

Just as I expected, Disney has 'Disneyfied" the MCU like they did Star Wars. So far, Phase 4 has been underwhelming, and that's being kind. I don't understand the obsession with taking classic characters and turning them goofballs/comic relief (Hulk, Thor, Dr. Strange).

Namor's one of my favorite Marvel super-heroes, but I'm sure Disney will find a way to screw him up too.

uPtoWnNY said:

Just as I expected, Disney has 'Disneyfied" the MCU like they did Star Wars. So far, Phase 4 has been underwhelming, and that's being kind. I don't understand the obsession with taking classic characters and turning them goofballs/comic relief (Hulk, Thor, Dr. Strange).

Namor's one of my favorite Marvel super-heroes, but I'm sure Disney will find a way to screw him up too.

I've given up on the DC and Marvel movies already

kpowers said:

uPtoWnNY said:

Just as I expected, Disney has 'Disneyfied" the MCU like they did Star Wars. So far, Phase 4 has been underwhelming, and that's being kind. I don't understand the obsession with taking classic characters and turning them goofballs/comic relief (Hulk, Thor, Dr. Strange).

Namor's one of my favorite Marvel super-heroes, but I'm sure Disney will find a way to screw him up too.

I've given up on the DC and Marvel movies already

Only one I care about is Fantastic Four - also news on 'Man of Steel 2' (my favorite Superman film). Black Adam has been mentioned, but I'd rather see Brainiac or Mongol.

Here's The Full MCU Phase...hedule ...

Man Of Steel 2 Is Actuall...cement ...

MickyDolenz said:

onlyforaminute said:

MickyDolenz said:

Not loving the controversy surrounding this but I know it'll be so beautiful to watch.

What controversy?

uPtoWnNY said:

onlyforaminute said:

MickyDolenz said: Not loving the controversy surrounding this but I know it'll be so beautiful to watch.

What controversy?

The controversy is that it says it's "Forever" when in fact the movie is only a couple of hours long.

uPtoWnNY said:

onlyforaminute said:

Whether they are or aren't replacing T'Challa. I'm just uncomfortable that it has to be a thing. I just wanna enjoy the movie as entertainment.

Before they even stared filming, Kevin Feige said they're not going to replace Chadwick or CGI him into the movie. I don't think those "recast T'Challa" folks are anywhere near like the "Snyder Cut" people who were renting billboards & blimps and trolling anything related to Warner Brothers, even if it had nothing to do with DC Comic movies. I don't think Wakanda Forever is going to have any big problems. Maybe DC/Warners will with their upcoming Aquaman 2 & Flash movies because of the bad press Ezra Miller & Amber Heard have been getting over the last year or so. WB & HBO have also recently been bought out by the Discovery channel

onlyforaminute said:

uPtoWnNY said:

What controversy?

Whether they are or aren't replacing T'Challa. I'm just uncomfortable that it has to be a thing. I just wanna enjoy the movie as entertainment.

Actually, I've heard from a good source that they are....not happy with T'Challa's successor, and that's all I'm going to say.

Another MCU Phase 4 flick I'll ignore.

BurrowMan!

MickyDolenz said:

2freaky said:

BurrowMan!

MickyDolenz said:

2freaky said:

BurrowMan!

So.. Batgirl is cancelled even tho it's almost finished and Michael Keaton is being replaced by Ben Affleck in Aquaman 2.
The theatrical version of Justice League is considered canon as opposed to the epic and superior Snydercut . So that Discovery guy is doubling down on the DCEU reboot with Black Adam and Flash(point).
I don't know anymore it seems teh MCU is also now dying a slow death with all the really bad Phase 4 movies and series.
Oh well maybe we're finally out of the the superhero movie phase and we'll get new original cinematic movies again from Hollyweird and more awesome animated DC movies.
Would be great if someone from Marvel would hire the guys that make the DC animated movies so we could finally get some quality Marvel animated movies that they so deserve.

JorisE73 said:

So.. Batgirl is cancelled even tho it's almost finished and Michael Keaton is being replaced by Ben Affleck in Aquaman 2.
The theatrical version of Justice League is considered canon as opposed to the epic and superior Snydercut . So that Discovery guy is doubling down on the DCEU reboot with Black Adam and Flash(point).
I don't know anymore it seems teh MCU is also now dying a slow death with all the really bad Phase 4 movies and series.
Oh well maybe we're finally out of the the superhero movie phase and we'll get new original cinematic movies again from Hollyweird and more awesome animated DC movies.
Would be great if someone from Marvel would hire the guys that make the DC animated movies so we could finally get some quality Marvel animated movies that they so deserve.

....and I'm glad. Screw Disney

JorisE73 said:

Oh well maybe we're finally out of the the superhero movie phase and we'll get new original cinematic movies again

They don't make much money though. The movies that usually make a lot of money at the box office today are superhero, certain family animation movies, horror, sequels/reboots, Godzilla, Fast & Furious, Disney live action remakes, Madea, & movies with Kevin Hart and/or The Rock. The new Top Gun sequel made over a billion worldwide. Most everything else the general audience streams it, pirate it, or rent it from Redbox. Besides, what else is Marvel Studios going to make? DC movies are made by Warner Brothers and WB doesn't exclusively make superhero movies like Marvel. Like Lucasfilms only makes Star Wars. Without the movies that are popular now, movie theaters might wind up like Blockbuster Video.

uPtoWnNY said:

JorisE73 said:

So.. Batgirl is cancelled even tho it's almost finished and Michael Keaton is being replaced by Ben Affleck in Aquaman 2.
The theatrical version of Justice League is considered canon as opposed to the epic and superior Snydercut . So that Discovery guy is doubling down on the DCEU reboot with Black Adam and Flash(point).
I don't know anymore it seems teh MCU is also now dying a slow death with all the really bad Phase 4 movies and series.
Oh well maybe we're finally out of the the superhero movie phase and we'll get new original cinematic movies again from Hollyweird and more awesome animated DC movies.
Would be great if someone from Marvel would hire the guys that make the DC animated movies so we could finally get some quality Marvel animated movies that they so deserve.

....and I'm glad. Screw Disney

MickyDolenz said:

JorisE73 said:

Oh well maybe we're finally out of the the superhero movie phase and we'll get new original cinematic movies again

They don't make much money though. The movies that usually make a lot of money at the box office today are superhero, certain family animation movies, horror, sequels/reboots, Godzilla, Fast & Furious, Disney live action remakes, Madea, & movies with Kevin Hart and/or The Rock. The new Top Gun sequel made over a billion worldwide. Most everything else the general audience streams it, pirate it, or rent it from Redbox. Besides, what else is Marvel Studios going to make? DC movies are made by Warner Brothers and WB doesn't exclusively make superhero movies like Marvel. Like Lucasfilms only makes Star Wars. Without the movies that are popular now, movie theaters might wind up like Blockbuster Video.

Rumors are that that Discovery guy at WB has given DC there own studio and is now DC Studios, so a seperate entity like Marvel is to Disney. They also hired the guy that made Marvel a success and are aiming to repeat that business, so I expect more kid friendly, cartoony and corny Marvel-like DC movies from now on that I won't be watching.
I really hope we are out of the (Marvel) superhero movie phase because everything after and including Civil War is ether just a bad copy of what came before or a boring mess like Infinity War and Endgame (I won't mention those horrible Sony Marvel movies, I still don't understand why that last Spiderman movie made so much money). At least DC had some epic movies but WB didn't have the balls to continue that and, of course, WB is a money minded studio that pretends to be artist friendly, we as Prince fans knew this for decades and it seems the movie directors and artists didn't untill recently when they all walked out (Christopher Nolan, there biggest cash cow, famously dropped them after WB showed there true colors.)
So I hope they'll use some of the DC animation talent to finally create some great Marvel aninmated movies which is long overdue.

JorisE73 said:

I really hope we are out of the (Marvel) superhero movie phase because everything after and including Civil War is ether just a bad copy of what came before or a boring mess like Infinity War and Endgame (I won't mention those horrible Sony Marvel movies, I still don't understand why that last Spiderman movie made so much money).

The studios are only giving people what they want to see just like the mainstream music audience is into Cardi B, BTS, Lizzo, & Taylor Swift. Why do you think Tom Cruise has mostly been doing Mission Impossible movies over the last 20 years and not much else? Even Denzel Washington made the first sequel of his career with The Equilizer and I heard he's making a 3rd one. If Aladdin with Will Smith & The Lion King remake both made over a billion, well they're going to make more of that. Disney is currently making Little Mermaid & Snow White. Video games are popular now, so the movie studios make Sonic, Mortal Kombat, Tomb Raider, and they're supposed to be making a Pac Man movie. Currently China isn't releasing as many American movies in their movie theaters now and that is the 2nd biggest movie market in the world. Also the popular mainstream movies help finance the movies that don't make money like so-called "art films". Superhero movies don't just make money from the films themselves, but with merchandising like T-shirts, action figures, Lego sets, Funko Pops, video game versions, etc. But actual comic books aren't as popular anymore as they were decades ago. There is nowhere near the amount of superhero movies/TV today than there was of westerns from the 1920s to when they started to lose mainstream popularity in the 1970s. Probably most of John Wayne's movies were westerns and he was popular for decades. Clint Eastwood became popular because of the western.

JorisE73 said:

MickyDolenz said:

They don't make much money though. The movies that usually make a lot of money at the box office today are superhero, certain family animation movies, horror, sequels/reboots, Godzilla, Fast & Furious, Disney live action remakes, Madea, & movies with Kevin Hart and/or The Rock. The new Top Gun sequel made over a billion worldwide. Most everything else the general audience streams it, pirate it, or rent it from Redbox. Besides, what else is Marvel Studios going to make? DC movies are made by Warner Brothers and WB doesn't exclusively make superhero movies like Marvel. Like Lucasfilms only makes Star Wars. Without the movies that are popular now, movie theaters might wind up like Blockbuster Video.

Rumors are that that Discovery guy at WB has given DC there own studio and is now DC Studios, so a seperate entity like Marvel is to Disney. They also hired the guy that made Marvel a success and are aiming to repeat that business, so I expect more kid friendly, cartoony and corny Marvel-like DC movies from now on that I won't be watching.
I really hope we are out of the (Marvel) superhero movie phase because everything after and including Civil War is ether just a bad copy of what came before or a boring mess like Infinity War and Endgame (I won't mention those horrible Sony Marvel movies, I still don't understand why that last Spiderman movie made so much money). At least DC had some epic movies but WB didn't have the balls to continue that and, of course, WB is a money minded studio that pretends to be artist friendly, we as Prince fans knew this for decades and it seems the movie directors and artists didn't untill recently when they all walked out (Christopher Nolan, there biggest cash cow, famously dropped them after WB showed there true colors.)
So I hope they'll use some of the DC animation talent to finally create some great Marvel aninmated movies which is long overdue.

MickyDolenz said:

JorisE73 said:

I really hope we are out of the (Marvel) superhero movie phase because everything after and including Civil War is ether just a bad copy of what came before or a boring mess like Infinity War and Endgame (I won't mention those horrible Sony Marvel movies, I still don't understand why that last Spiderman movie made so much money).

The studios are only giving people what they want to see just like the mainstream music audience is into Cardi B, BTS, Lizzo, & Taylor Swift. Why do you think Tom Cruise has mostly been doing Mission Impossible movies over the last 20 years and not much else? Even Denzel Washington made the first sequel of his career with The Equilizer and I heard he's making a 3rd one. If Aladdin with Will Smith & The Lion King remake both made over a billion, well they're going to make more of that. Disney is currently making Little Mermaid & Snow White. Video games are popular now, so the movie studios make Sonic, Mortal Kombat, Tomb Raider, and they're supposed to be making a Pac Man movie. Currently China isn't releasing as many American movies in their movie theaters now and that is the 2nd biggest movie market in the world. Also the popular mainstream movies help finance the movies that don't make money like so-called "art films". Superhero movies don't just make money from the films themselves, but with merchandising like T-shirts, action figures, Lego sets, Funko Pops, video game versions, etc. But actual comic books aren't as popular anymore as they were decades ago. There is nowhere near the amount of superhero movies/TV today than there was of westerns from the 1920s to when they started to lose mainstream popularity in the 1970s. Probably most of John Wayne's movies were westerns and he was popular for decades. Clint Eastwood became popular because of the western.

OK, but I still hope we're out of the superhero movie phase.
Given the succes of teh Snydercut, by your post, you would expect then that WB would jump at the chance to make Snyder's JL 2 and 3 which on paper and the concept art and stroyboards are epic beyond anything Marvel has attempted and could make serious money and the fans want to see that. But that;s not happening and they bank on The Flash (which will probably bomb hard given Ezra Miller's insanity and the bad press he's getting alomst weekly now) and Black Adam a movie that looks like shit. Hell even Dwayne Johnson is now a advisor over at DC Studios, so i don't think WB wants money or please the fans.

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JorisE73 said:

OK, but I still hope we're out of the superhero movie phase.

Given the succes of teh Snydercut, by your post, you would expect then that WB would jump at the chance to make Snyder's JL 2 and 3 which on paper and the concept art and stroyboards are epic beyond anything Marvel has attempted and could make serious money and the fans want to see that. But that;s not happening and they bank on The Flash (which will probably bomb hard given Ezra Miller's insanity and the bad press he's getting alomst weekly now) and Black Adam a movie that looks like shit. Hell even Dwayne Johnson is now a advisor over at DC Studios, so i don't think WB wants money or please the fans.

I doubt it, the new Thor made over 700 million at the moment, but Thor & Ant-Man have never made as much as Marvel's other movies, that's about average for them. I think their highest grossing solo movie is Black Panther. I know it is in the USA, it even made more than Infinty War in the US. A lot of people who don't normally watch superhero movies at all went to see Panther, even members of Black churches went as groups. WB considers the theatrical Justice League canon, not the Snyder Cut, and it was not in theaters, only on HBO Max. HBO Max is not as popular as Netflix & Disney+ or even the regular HBO cable channel. WB was trying to get subscribers to HBO Max by releasing all of their 2021 movies on it at the same time as released to theaters, which hurt the box office even more than covid was already doing. A lot of theaters and permantly closed down because of covid. If this new guy Zaslav was in charge, I doubt that the Synder version would have been approved to spend more money on it to finish it, since he is said to be cheap. That 2nd Suicide Squad movie probably wouldn't have been made either. Anyway, Zaslav is behind shows like Honey Boo Boo getting made. Reality shows are all over TV today because they are cheaper to make than scripted shows.