MickyDolenz said:

JorisE73 said:

OK, but I still hope we're out of the superhero movie phase.

Given the succes of teh Snydercut, by your post, you would expect then that WB would jump at the chance to make Snyder's JL 2 and 3 which on paper and the concept art and stroyboards are epic beyond anything Marvel has attempted and could make serious money and the fans want to see that. But that;s not happening and they bank on The Flash (which will probably bomb hard given Ezra Miller's insanity and the bad press he's getting alomst weekly now) and Black Adam a movie that looks like shit. Hell even Dwayne Johnson is now a advisor over at DC Studios, so i don't think WB wants money or please the fans.

I doubt it, the new Thor made over 700 million at the moment, but Thor & Ant-Man have never made as much as Marvel's other movies, that's about average for them. I think their highest grossing solo movie is Black Panther. I know it is in the USA, it even made more than Infinty War in the US. A lot of people who don't normally watch superhero movies at all went to see Panther, even members of Black churches went as groups. WB considers the theatrical Justice League canon, not the Snyder Cut, and it was not in theaters, only on HBO Max. HBO Max is not as popular as Netflix & Disney+ or even the regular HBO cable channel. WB was trying to get subscribers to HBO Max by releasing all of their 2021 movies on it at the same time as released to theaters, which hurt the box office even more than covid was already doing. A lot of theaters and permantly closed down because of covid. If this new guy Zaslav was in charge, I doubt that the Synder version would have been approved to spend more money on it to finish it, since he is said to be cheap. That 2nd Suicide Squad movie probably wouldn't have been made either. Anyway, Zaslav is behind shows like Honey Boo Boo getting made. Reality shows are all over TV today because they are cheaper to make than scripted shows.

Well, maybe he'll put the final nail in the DC coffin then, but with him hastuly created a DC Studios could also mean more focus.
I think the pubic is slowly seeing that Marvel is also quite done quality wise, but they have cultivatd a enormos fanbase of the movies that it could tak a while because the fans will keep on pouring money into it.

JorisE73 said:

I think the pubic is slowly seeing that Marvel is also quite done quality wise, but they have cultivatd a enormos fanbase of the movies that it could tak a while because the fans will keep on pouring money into it.

That's the same public that is still giving Justin Beiber, Drake, & Chris Brown hit singles. Chris Brown's 1st record came out in 2005 and his new songs get Top 40 radio airplay today. Drake, Lil Wayne, & Nicki Minaj have more songs chart on the Billboard Hot 100 than anybody else, including The Beatles, Elvis Presley, & Michael Jackson. Again if Marvel dies, there are not really any other movies to support movie theaters consistantly, since Marvel releases movies more often than say Jurassic Park or Toy Story or Minions. There aren't really any younger movie stars that can sell a movie on their name alone like Tom Cruise, Robert Redford, Clint Eastwood, or Denzel Washington. Probably the only newer actors that can do that today are The Rock & maybe Kevin Hart and The Rock has been around since the 1990s as a popular WWE wrestler. Today it's IP movies that people usually go to see in theaters, not so much the actors. Like do more people go to a movie to see Tyler Perry or to watch Madea? Tyler is said to be a billionaire now and he owns his own movie studio. It's supposed to be bigger (in land area) than the older major ones in Hollywood. Marvel movies make big money, but the general public don't really go out in droves to support the Marvel actors other movies in the same way.

MickyDolenz said:

JorisE73 said:

I think the pubic is slowly seeing that Marvel is also quite done quality wise, but they have cultivatd a enormos fanbase of the movies that it could tak a while because the fans will keep on pouring money into it.

That's the same public that is still giving Justin Beiber, Drake, & Chris Brown hit singles. Chris Brown's 1st record came out in 2005 and his new songs get Top 40 radio airplay today. Drake, Lil Wayne, & Nicki Minaj have more songs chart on the Billboard Hot 100 than anybody else, including The Beatles, Elvis Presley, & Michael Jackson. Again if Marvel dies, there are not really any other movies to support movie theaters consistantly, since Marvel releases movies more often than say Jurassic Park or Toy Story or Minions. There aren't really any younger movie stars that can sell a movie on their name alone like Tom Cruise, Robert Redford, Clint Eastwood, or Denzel Washington. Probably the only newer actors that can do that today are The Rock & maybe Kevin Hart and The Rock has been around since the 1990s as a popular WWE wrestler. Today it's IP movies that people usually go to see in theaters, not so much the actors. Like do more people go to a movie to see Tyler Perry or to watch Madea? Tyler is said to be a billionaire now and he owns his own movie studio. It's supposed to be bigger (in land area) than the older major ones in Hollywood. Marvel movies make big money, but the general public don't really go out in droves to support the Marvel actors other movies in the same way.

i don't know.
Top Gun Maverick made a lot of money for some reason.
I expect teh new Avatar to do well.
Oppenheimer (Christopher Nolan's new movie) will proabably do well.
Big IP's aren't needed to keep theatres alive just like before the whole Marvel boom. theatres were doing well and if a movie seems intersting people will go to the theatre.

JorisE73 said:

i don't know.
Top Gun Maverick made a lot of money for some reason.
I expect teh new Avatar to do well.
Oppenheimer (Christopher Nolan's new movie) will proabably do well.
Big IP's aren't needed to keep theatres alive just like before the whole Marvel boom. theatres were doing well and if a movie seems intersting people will go to the theatre.

More people used to buy records, tapes, & CDs before the internet, Napster, & streaming. How's that going today? Today a new release vinyl record can cost up to $50 US. In the 1980s, a record/cassette was around $5.99. Or "12 albums for a penny!" through Columbia House. You can't compare today to something decades ago. Like I mentioned earlier, westerns used to be one of the most popular types of movies & TV shows. So were musicals like Singin' In The Rain & Mary Poppins. That hasn't been the case since in a long time. Westerns & musicals are still made, but nowhere near in the same quantities as when they were popular. When was the last time an old style hand drawn 2D animation movie has been a hit in the US?

MickyDolenz said:

JorisE73 said:

i don't know.
Top Gun Maverick made a lot of money for some reason.
I expect teh new Avatar to do well.
Oppenheimer (Christopher Nolan's new movie) will proabably do well.
Big IP's aren't needed to keep theatres alive just like before the whole Marvel boom. theatres were doing well and if a movie seems intersting people will go to the theatre.

More people used to buy records, tapes, & CDs before the internet, Napster, & streaming. How's that going today? Today a new release vinyl record can cost up to $50 US. In the 1980s, a record/cassette was around $5.99. Or "12 albums for a penny!" through Columbia House. You can't compare today to something decades ago. Like I mentioned earlier, westerns used to be one of the most popular types of movies & TV shows. So were musicals like Singin' In The Rain & Mary Poppins. That hasn't been the case since in a long time. Westerns & musicals are still made, but nowhere near in the same quantities as when they were popular. When was the last time an old style hand drawn 2D animation movie has been a hit in the US?

Don't know, but I still believe big IP's aren't needed to keep theatres alive, maybe just in the US.
A quality movie will still attract enough people, a movie doesn't need to make a billion dollars to keep a theatre alive unless it's a 300-400 million dollar movie and there aren't many of those without promo costs.

JorisE73 said:

Don't know, but I still believe big IP's aren't needed to keep theatres alive, maybe just in the US.
A quality movie will still attract enough people, a movie doesn't need to make a billion dollars to keep a theatre alive unless it's a 300-400 million dollar movie and there aren't many of those without promo costs.

The difference is that in the past, movies in theaters generally sold on star power, there are very few modern stars that can do that, and some of them are older veteran actors. Also, decades ago, a movie might be in a theater for months, even up to a year. Today on average, it goes to streaming and/or DVD in 45 days. So some people wait. Some movies goes to streaming the same day as it is released in theaters either "free" on a streaming service or for a fee for each movie. Anything that is streaming is likely to be instantly pirated and bootlegged. That's what happened to Black Widow which was put on Disney+ the same day as theater release. Scarlett Johansson sued Disney because she had profit participation.

Depending on which area in the USA a person might live, one movie ticket can cost up to $20, then there's the $5 candy bar and $10 popcorn. So it's much cheaper for a family to watch a movie at home. In the 1980s a ticket was average 2 or 3 dollars. That's one reason non IP movies don't make as much money in theaters. The general audience today are more likely to watch a talky drama movie or a romantic comedy at home. They don't have to see that on a big screen like a flashy spectacle movie like the Fast & Furious and Mission Impossible series. They also go to superhero movies asap, because they are going to be spoiled on the internet. A regular drama is probably less likely to be spoiled, because fewer people are intereted in those. There's not dozens of reaction videos on Youtube about those like there are for a Marvel/DC movie and some of those have a spoiler in the thumbnail, people can see it even if they aren't looking for the movie because it goes into Youtube trending. There is also more competition for entertainment today than in the past.

MickyDolenz said:

JorisE73 said:

Don't know, but I still believe big IP's aren't needed to keep theatres alive, maybe just in the US.
A quality movie will still attract enough people, a movie doesn't need to make a billion dollars to keep a theatre alive unless it's a 300-400 million dollar movie and there aren't many of those without promo costs.

The difference is that in the past, movies in theaters generally sold on star power, there are very few modern stars that can do that, and some of them are older veteran actors. Also, decades ago, a movie might be in a theater for months, even up to a year. Today on average, it goes to streaming and/or DVD in 45 days. So some people wait. Some movies goes to streaming the same day as it is released in theaters either "free" on a streaming service or for a fee for each movie. Anything that is streaming is likely to be instantly pirated and bootlegged. That's what happened to Black Widow which was put on Disney+ the same day as theater release. Scarlett Johansson sued Disney because she had profit participation.

Depending on which area in the USA a person might live, one movie ticket can cost up to $20, then there's the $5 candy bar and $10 popcorn. So it's much cheaper for a family to watch a movie at home. In the 1980s a ticket was average 2 or 3 dollars. That's one reason non IP movies don't make as much money in theaters. The general audience today are more likely to watch a talky drama movie or a romantic comedy at home. They don't have to see that on a big screen like a flashy spectacle movie like the Fast & Furious and Mission Impossible series. They also go to superhero movies asap, because they are going to be spoiled on the internet. A regular drama is probably less likely to be spoiled, because fewer people are intereted in those. There's not dozens of reaction videos on Youtube about those like there are for a Marvel/DC movie and some of those have a spoiler in the thumbnail, people can see it even if they aren't looking for the movie because it goes into Youtube trending. There is also more competition for entertainment today than in the past.

wow, $20 for a movie ticket, here in the Netherlands i think the highest ticket price is for Imax, 4DX or that new ScreenX thing is €14 at most.
I think it's a age thing too. I don't know many people of 50+ age that are into these Marvel movies and maybe only go to these big CGI movies if it's some nostalgia thing (Top Gun Maverick, probably the new Indiana Jones)
I think it's mostly kids or people under 26 that these Marvel movies are catered to and I think that is where the money is. An family trip to the movies becomes a $100 trip for 2 hours of escapism which just isn't worth it these days (economics and the decline in movie quality that has been going on for almost 2 decades) I realy just don't want to theatre experience to become another rollercoaster ride with all these rollercoaster movies. I guess I somewhat agree with scorcese on this.

JorisE73 said:

I movies if it's some nostalgia thing (Top Gun Maverick, probably the new Indiana Jones)

I think it's mostly kids or people under 26 that these Marvel movies are catered to and I think that is where the money is.

The $20 tickets are in places where the cost of living is hiher anyway like NYC. Where I live a ticket is around $10 and a few dollars more fo IMAX & 3D. Covid stopped production on movies & TV shows, so there is less product for movie theaters. In the USA, when the pandemic first happened, many businesses such as movie theaters, malls, dine in restaurants, bars, rodeos, concerts, etc. were totally shut down. Some of them went out of business permanently, especially "mom & pop" owned. Also, the younger generations watch movies differently today. People couldn't watch movies/TV on a phone like they do today. Many people are constantly looking at their phones while walking and drivers get into wrecks because they are texting while driving.

These are the 25 highest grossing movies worldwide of the 2010s:

1 Avengers: Endgame (2019) – $2,797,501,328 (US: $858,373,000)
2 Star Wars: The Force Awakens (2015) – $2,069,521,700 (US: $936,662,225)
3 Avengers: Infinity War (2018) – $2,048,359,754 (US: $678,815,482)
4 Jurassic World (2015) – $1,671,537,444 (US: $653,406,625)
5 The Lion King (2019) – $1,663,250,487 (US: $543,638,043)
6 The Avengers (2012) – $1,518,815,515 (US: $623,357,910)
7 Furious 7 (2015) – $1,515,341,399 (US: $353,007,020)
8 Frozen 2 (2019) – $1,450,026,933 (US: $477,373,578)
9 Avengers: Age Of Ultron (2015) – $1,402,809,540 (US: $459,005,868)
10 Black Panther (2018) $1,347,597,973 (US: $700,426,566)

11 Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows – Part 2 (2011) $1,342,359,942 (US: $381,447,587)
12 Star Wars: The Last Jedi (2017) $1,332,698,830 (US: $620,181,382)
13 Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom (2018) $1,310,466,296 (US: $417,719,760)
14 Frozen (2013) – $1,281,508,100 (US: $400,953,009)
15 Beauty And The Beast (2017) – $1,273,576,220 (US: $504,481,165)
16 Incredibles 2 (2018) – $1,243,089,244 (US: $608,581,744)
17 The Fate Of The Furious (2017) – $1,236,005,118 (US: $226,008,385)
18 Iron Man 3 (2013) – $1,214,811,252 (US: $409,013,994)
19 Minions (2015) $1,159,444,662 (US: $336,045,770)
20 Captain America: Civil War (2016) – $1,153,337,496 (US: $408,084,349)

21 Aquaman (2018) – $1,148,528,393 (US: $335,104,314)
22 Spider-Man: Far From Home (2019) – $1,131,927,996 (US: $390,532,085)
23 Captain Marvel (2019) – $1,128,462,972 (US: $426,829,839)
24 Transformers: Dark Of The Moon (2011) $1,123,794,079 – (US: $352,390,543)
25 Skyfall [James Bond] (2012) – $1,108,569,499 (US: $304,360,277)

The 1st non-IP movie appears at #46 which is Bohemian Rhapsody – $910,809,311 (US: $216,668,042). Most of the top 25 are Disney related as they own Marvel, Pixar, & Star Wars. Bohemian Rhapsody was originally released by Fox, but since Disney bought Twentieth Century Fox around a year or 2 ago, they own that too. Amazon bought MGM, and Amazon has a streaming service too.

MickyDolenz said:

JorisE73 said:

I movies if it's some nostalgia thing (Top Gun Maverick, probably the new Indiana Jones)

I think it's mostly kids or people under 26 that these Marvel movies are catered to and I think that is where the money is.

The $20 tickets are in places where the cost of living is hiher anyway like NYC. Where I live a ticket is around $10 and a few dollars more fo IMAX & 3D. Covid stopped production on movies & TV shows, so there is less product for movie theaters. In the USA, when the pandemic first happened, many businesses such as movie theaters, malls, dine in restaurants, bars, rodeos, concerts, etc. were totally shut down. Some of them went out of business permanently, especially "mom & pop" owned. Also, the younger generations watch movies differently today. People couldn't watch movies/TV on a phone like they do today. Many people are constantly looking at their phones while walking and drivers get into wrecks because they are texting while driving.

These are the 25 highest grossing movies worldwide of the 2010s:

1 Avengers: Endgame (2019) – $2,797,501,328 (US: $858,373,000)
2 Star Wars: The Force Awakens (2015) – $2,069,521,700 (US: $936,662,225)
3 Avengers: Infinity War (2018) – $2,048,359,754 (US: $678,815,482)
4 Jurassic World (2015) – $1,671,537,444 (US: $653,406,625)
5 The Lion King (2019) – $1,663,250,487 (US: $543,638,043)
6 The Avengers (2012) – $1,518,815,515 (US: $623,357,910)
7 Furious 7 (2015) – $1,515,341,399 (US: $353,007,020)
8 Frozen 2 (2019) – $1,450,026,933 (US: $477,373,578)
9 Avengers: Age Of Ultron (2015) – $1,402,809,540 (US: $459,005,868)
10 Black Panther (2018) $1,347,597,973 (US: $700,426,566)

11 Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows – Part 2 (2011) $1,342,359,942 (US: $381,447,587)
12 Star Wars: The Last Jedi (2017) $1,332,698,830 (US: $620,181,382)
13 Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom (2018) $1,310,466,296 (US: $417,719,760)
14 Frozen (2013) – $1,281,508,100 (US: $400,953,009)
15 Beauty And The Beast (2017) – $1,273,576,220 (US: $504,481,165)
16 Incredibles 2 (2018) – $1,243,089,244 (US: $608,581,744)
17 The Fate Of The Furious (2017) – $1,236,005,118 (US: $226,008,385)
18 Iron Man 3 (2013) – $1,214,811,252 (US: $409,013,994)
19 Minions (2015) $1,159,444,662 (US: $336,045,770)
20 Captain America: Civil War (2016) – $1,153,337,496 (US: $408,084,349)

21 Aquaman (2018) – $1,148,528,393 (US: $335,104,314)
22 Spider-Man: Far From Home (2019) – $1,131,927,996 (US: $390,532,085)
23 Captain Marvel (2019) – $1,128,462,972 (US: $426,829,839)
24 Transformers: Dark Of The Moon (2011) $1,123,794,079 – (US: $352,390,543)
25 Skyfall [James Bond] (2012) – $1,108,569,499 (US: $304,360,277)

The 1st non-IP movie appears at #46 which is Bohemian Rhapsody – $910,809,311 (US: $216,668,042). Most of the top 25 are Disney related as they own Marvel, Pixar, & Star Wars. Bohemian Rhapsody was originally released by Fox, but since Disney bought Twentieth Century Fox around a year or 2 ago, they own that too. Amazon bought MGM, and Amazon has a streaming service too.

It's insane how low quality the majoorty of all these movies are. All CGI fests.
I never got how streaming (on HBOMAX or Disney+) could recoup the expenses making these movies. Like The Flash if that Ezra Miller guy keeps making negative headlines with his antics and WB chooses to dump his $200 Million movie on HBOMAX then they won't make a buck off of the movie itself right? They can only make money from the merchandizing or whatever.

JorisE73 said:

It's insane how low quality the majoorty of all these movies are. All CGI fests.
I never got how streaming (on HBOMAX or Disney+) could recoup the expenses making these movies. Like The Flash if that Ezra Miller guy keeps making negative headlines with his antics and WB chooses to dump his $200 Million movie on HBOMAX then they won't make a buck off of the movie itself right? They can only make money from the merchandizing or whatever.

That's why I said if IP movies all of a sudden stopped being popular, there are no other types of movies that can make anywhere near the amount of money today that popular IPs do. It doesn't help that companies like AMC built too many multiplexes that put smaller theaters out of business the same way Walmart did the same to other department stores & Amazon did to many brick & mortar stores. In the 1980s & 1990s, romantic comedies were box office draws. Today, cable channels like Lifetime & Hallmark make dozens (maybe even hundreds ) of those every year. So there isn't much of a need to pay money to watch those at a theater. Also, a superhero or Harry Potter movie can translate to other languages. That's why they are popular in countires all over the world. Other kinds of movies probably won't translate well internationally because of local culture & themes. Like why would anybody in China or Brazil care about a Martin Luther King or Abraham Lincoln biopic or a western? Bollywood musicals are really popular in India, but movie musicals are not really a big thing today in the USA. Aquaman appeals to China, because it is similar to their popular Chinese made movies which tends to be fantasy based. Same for Japan which has anime/manga. A manga is a comic book and lots of anime cartoons are based on manga. As far as streaming making money, Netflix has been spending a lot of money on making movies & TV programs long before Disney+ was thought of. Netflix movies don't go to theaters, or if they do, it's just for a couple of weeks in a few theatars. Probably so they could be considered for Oscar considertion.

She Hulk looks like what if Shrek was set in 2022. Horrible

have you seen this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Y8iRvQdSGA

Deleted Scene from "Batman v Superman” Starring Jimmy Kimmel

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JorisE73 said:

uPtoWnNY said:

kewlschool said:

I don't see Snyder returning. A lot of the general audience didn't dig his movies. Notice the DC movies that did the best at the box office he didn't direct (Auquaman, Wonder Woman, the first Suicide Squad). Even if he does return, it would probably be awhile because I think he currently has a deal to make movies for Netflix. WB didn't seem to want to do anything with Ray Fisher (Cyborg) & Henry Cavill (Superman) and there's also the issues with Ezra Miller & Amber Heard. Before the sale to Discovery, AT&T owned WB and they were planning to make 2 different Black Superman movies and a Plasticwoman (a Plasticman change) movie. One of the Black Superman movies was in pre-production, I think J.J. Abrams and one of the writers from the Black Panther comic books was working on that. Those might get canceled, but no official statement has been made either way. I think J.J. Abrams is currently working on other DC related projects.

MickyDolenz said:

I think one of the problems with DC is they've been primarily making Superman & Batman stuff since the 1940s serials & Superman cartoon shorts. They have been overexposed. There's a Superman & Lois show on right now and Supergirl/Smallville was on for several years. There was the Wonder Woman & Shazam! TV shows in the 1970s. Marvel Studios didn't own their most popular characters (Spider-Man, Hulk, X-Men, Fantastic 4). They had to go with characters that weren't well known to the general public like Iron Man, Thor, Ant-Man, etc. I don't think Guardians Of The Galaxy was even popular as a comic book. But their movies made a lot of money. There were years that the Black Panther comic had stopped being published because of low sales. Also Batman comics wasn't always the Dark Knight. That kind of started in the 1980s. Polka Dot Man was a Batman & Robin villian and in the comics it was the Justice League who first fought Starro, not the Suicide Squad. The Adam West Batman show was partly based on the comics from that era, not the other way around.