EmmaMcG said:

KoolEaze said:

Thanks a lot for the in-depth reply Emma. I immensely enjoy your presence and your posts here on the org, you are one of the main reasons why I still enjoy coming back to this place, and I like your writing style and admire your general knowledge of all pop-cultural things, be it music, movies, TV shows or games.

Very much appreciated.

Aw you're making me blush I have nobody at home to talk to about stuff like this so the org is really my only outlet for it.

I could seriously imagine you working for a lifestyle or popculture magazine.

KoolEaze said:

KoolEaze said:

Robert De Niro in Dirty Grandpa.

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The critics ripped it to shreds. It has an approval rating of 11% on Rotten Tomatoes.

I watched it because of the bad reviews but I must admit I didn´t find it THAT bad.

And after watching it I read some of the negative reviews and started looking for positive reviews, and the few critics who wrote a positive review did make some valuable points.

De Niro said in an interview that he wanted to make a few movies that his grandchildren could watch. Not that it makes it any better of a movie because it doesn't, but I get where he's coming from.

SantanaMaitreya said:

I'm surprised that no one mentioned Kirsten Scott Thomas in Onder the Cherry Moon yet.

KoolEaze said:

KoolEaze said:

herb4 said:

Money

The answer is always money.

I thought so, but still.....his choices are tarnishing his reputation. Can someone really be that desperate?

I can only speak for myself but "yes'

herb4 said:

KoolEaze said:

I thought so, but still.....his choices are tarnishing his reputation. Can someone really be that desperate?

I can only speak for myself but "yes'

Empress said:

KoolEaze said:

Robert De Niro in Dirty Grandpa.

.

The critics ripped it to shreds. It has an approval rating of 11% on Rotten Tomatoes.

I watched it because of the bad reviews but I must admit I didn´t find it THAT bad.

And after watching it I read some of the negative reviews and started looking for positive reviews, and the few critics who wrote a positive review did make some valuable points.

De Niro said in an interview that he wanted to make a few movies that his grandchildren could watch. Not that it makes it any better of a movie because it doesn't, but I get where he's coming from.

I actually like some of those more recent De Niro movies...it´s just unusual to see him doing them.

KoolEaze said:

Empress said:

De Niro said in an interview that he wanted to make a few movies that his grandchildren could watch. Not that it makes it any better of a movie because it doesn't, but I get where he's coming from.

I actually like some of those more recent De Niro movies...it´s just unusual to see him doing them.

I found The Intern (with Anne Hathaway) pretty entertaining. (Probably because I'm at a point age-wise where I can relate to De Niro's character's story.)

DeNiro doesn't owe anybody anything. He can do what he wants as far as I'm concerned.

EmmaMcG said:

Gene Hackman - Superman IV Robert De Niro - Rocky & Bullwinkle Patrick Stewart & Ian McKellen - X-Men 3 Halle Berry - Catwoman Jack Nicholson - Man Trouble Willem Dafoe - Body Of Evidence

The only ones good in that movie were

The humans ruined it

Everybody

kpowers said:

Since we're talking about superheroes, how about George Clooney in Batman and Robin?

Or Val Kilmer in Batman Forever for that matter?

Jared Leto WIl Smith and Margot Robbie in Suicide Squad?

It's a long list and this is a fun thread.

I'm a bad movie connoisseur of sorts.

herb4 said:

Since we're talking about superheroes, how about George Clooney in Batman and Robin?

Or Val Kilmer in Batman Forever for that matter?

Jared Leto WIl Smith and Margot Robbie in Suicide Squad?

It's a long list and this is a fun thread.

I'm a bad movie connoisseur of sorts.

Viola Davis is better than all three of them.

herb4 said:

Leonardo DiCaprio in "The Beach"

kpowers said:

EmmaMcG said:

kpowers said:

The only ones good in that movie were

The humans ruined it

I don't even know who Rocky & Bullwinkle are outside of that movie. I guess it's an old cartoon but I've never seen it.

1960's cartoon. I didn't really start to watch until the 90's, Very funny cartoon

EmmaMcG said:

kpowers said:

Everybody

I still prefer this over Man Of Steel

Well there are a few things I do like about Superman 3. Well first of all Chhristopher Reeve was still good in the role despite a terrible story. Superman turning bad and the scene with Superman fighting his alter ego Clark Kent was interesting. The introduction of Lana Lang played by Annette O'Toole (perfect choice for the role and as we all know the future Martha Kent in Smallville) was also good. But the most important part of any movie, the story which was total garbage. From what I read is that originally Superman 3 was going to have Braniac and Mxyzptlk in it. Producers heard that Richard Pryor was a fan of the Superman movies and scrapped having Braniac and Mxyzptlk in the movie and went with casting Richard Pryor instead.............yeah I know . I like Robert Vaughn and Richard Pryor but not for Superman 3. Robert Vaughn Character was basically Lex Luthor, so what's the point??? Even Richard Pryoor thought the movie was bad and did it just for the money, can't blame him for that. Also there were plans of having Supergirl in Superman 3 as well. Oh what might have been.

EmmaMcG said:

kpowers said:

Everybody

I still prefer this over Man Of Steel

Co-sign.

kpowers said:

EmmaMcG said:

kpowers said:

Well there are a few things I do like about Superman 3. Well first of all Chhristopher Reeve was still good in the role despite a terrible story. Superman turning bad and the scene with Superman fighting his alter ego Clark Kent was interesting. The introduction of Lana Lang played by Annette O'Toole (perfect choice for the role and as we all know the future Martha Kent in Smallville) was also good. But the most important part of any movie, the story which was total garbage. From what I read is that originally Superman 3 was going to have Braniac and Mxyzptlk in it. Producers heard that Richard Pryor was a fan of the Superman movies and scrapped having Braniac and Mxyzptlk in the movie and went with casting Richard Pryor instead.............yeah I know . I like Robert Vaughn and Richard Pryor but not for Superman 3. Robert Vaughn Character was basically Lex Luthor, so what's the point??? Even Richard Pryoor thought the movie was bad and did it just for the money, can't blame him for that. Also there were plans of having Supergirl in Superman 3 as well. Oh what might have been.

I read that the writers wanted Richard Pryor to improvise so they deliberately under-wrote his character, expecting him to flesh it out himself. But because he was such a fan, he made a conscious decision not to improvise and just stick to the script as it was written. I don't know how true that it but it explains a lot. In his autobiography he also says that he refused to do the movie if he had to act with Margot Kidder. She was an ex girlfriend of his and he was trying to stay clean and drug-free but he knew she was still an addict and wanted to avoid the temptation. So she was effectively written out of the movie to suit Richard Pryor. By all accounts, he enjoyed making the movie and even though he didn't particularly like the finished product, he enjoyed working with Christopher Reeve. He also spoiled the ending on Carson months before the movie released

I also read that Margot Kidder sided with Richard Donner thus producers made her appearance in Superman 3 as more of a cameo (But we did get to see Lana Lang so that's a plus out of that). Yeah I'm sure it was fun to work on the set of Superman 3, I could be wrong but I always got the impression that Christopher Reeve was kinda of a nice guy in real life. Superman 3 also ruined the Supergirl movie the following year. With Superman 3 being so bad Christopher Reeve didn't want to appear in that movie as well.

EmmaMcG said:

kpowers said:

Well there are a few things I do like about Superman 3. Well first of all Chhristopher Reeve was still good in the role despite a terrible story. Superman turning bad and the scene with Superman fighting his alter ego Clark Kent was interesting. The introduction of Lana Lang played by Annette O'Toole (perfect choice for the role and as we all know the future Martha Kent in Smallville) was also good. But the most important part of any movie, the story which was total garbage. From what I read is that originally Superman 3 was going to have Braniac and Mxyzptlk in it. Producers heard that Richard Pryor was a fan of the Superman movies and scrapped having Braniac and Mxyzptlk in the movie and went with casting Richard Pryor instead.............yeah I know . I like Robert Vaughn and Richard Pryor but not for Superman 3. Robert Vaughn Character was basically Lex Luthor, so what's the point??? Even Richard Pryoor thought the movie was bad and did it just for the money, can't blame him for that. Also there were plans of having Supergirl in Superman 3 as well. Oh what might have been.

I read that the writers wanted Richard Pryor to improvise so they deliberately under-wrote his character, expecting him to flesh it out himself. But because he was such a fan, he made a conscious decision not to improvise and just stick to the script as it was written. I don't know how true that it but it explains a lot.

Cocaine probably exlains a lot too

herb4 said:

EmmaMcG said:

kpowers said: I read that the writers wanted Richard Pryor to improvise so they deliberately under-wrote his character, expecting him to flesh it out himself. But because he was such a fan, he made a conscious decision not to improvise and just stick to the script as it was written. I don't know how true that it but it explains a lot.

Cocaine probably exlains a lot too

If that's true it was a terrible idea for Superman 3, sounded like they wanted a Robin Williams performance.

kpowers said:

EmmaMcG said:

kpowers said:

herb4 said:

EmmaMcG said:

kpowers said: I read that the writers wanted Richard Pryor to improvise so they deliberately under-wrote his character, expecting him to flesh it out himself. But because he was such a fan, he made a conscious decision not to improvise and just stick to the script as it was written. I don't know how true that it but it explains a lot.

Cocaine probably exlains a lot too

If that's true it was a terrible idea for Superman 3, sounded like they wanted a Robin Williams performance.

They wanted a Richard Pryor performance. He explains in his autobiography that he thought the script was awful but they were offering him 5 million dollars so he accepted and performed the scenes as written. He knew it was shit but a combination of him not wanting to get fired and his genuine love for the previous Superman movies made him unwilling to improvise. And nobody told him otherwise. Afterwards he was told that they expected him to improvise but he believes that might have been the writers just making an excuse for writing a shit movie. One way or another though the movie was shit.

But at least Warner Bros learned their lesson and never fired another director after two successful movies, only to replace him with a stooge and try to lighten the tone of the third and fourth movies. Oh, wait... Nevermind.

kpowers said:

EmmaMcG said:

They wanted a Richard Pryor performance. He explains in his autobiography that he thought the script was awful but they were offering him 5 million dollars so he accepted and performed the scenes as written. He knew it was shit but a combination of him not wanting to get fired and his genuine love for the previous Superman movies made him unwilling to improvise. And nobody told him otherwise. Afterwards he was told that they expected him to improvise but he believes that might have been the writers just making an excuse for writing a shit movie. One way or another though the movie was shit.

But at least Warner Bros learned their lesson and never fired another director after two successful movies, only to replace him with a stooge and try to lighten the tone of the third and fourth movies. Oh, wait... Nevermind.

I wonder if that was the same approach with Batman forever. Hey let's let Jim Carrey be Jim Carrey. Well we all know how that turned out

EmmaMcG said:

kpowers said:

I wonder if that was the same approach with Batman forever. Hey let's let Jim Carrey be Jim Carrey. Well we all know how that turned out

Tommy Lee Jones absolutely hated working with Jim Carrey. And wasn't shy about telling him that straight to his face

Jim Carrey probably got on Tommy Lee Jones nerves big time