Dauphin said:

First time when she met Agent Woo and went in. Her molecules were changed. Second, when she was blasted through the four walls. On her way out she hit that force field that changes things. Third when she went back in and finally realized her powers. So, 1, in, 2 , out, 3, back in. Confusing I know I messed it up too

Yeah, part of it could be confusing because the first go'round was a flashback of sorts. These shows who jump back and forth just seem to do it for the sake of drama. It's annoying after a while.

onlyforaminute said:

Just for those who don't know, this is all supposed to (allegedly) lead into a Doctor Strange series or something. I don't know how, but we'll see.

A lot of theories online (Scarlett Witch, Agatha Harkness, the twins) have played out as correct. So, tomorrow we'll see.

And I'm not checking this thread until after I watch tomorrow, cuz spoilers.

TrivialPursuit said:

Dauphin said:

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Okay SPOILERS for those who haven't seen it yet (and why haven't you?)...

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The series finale was great. There is a mid-credit and post-credit scene.

It set up her going into Doctor Strange's world. I think the show really is about a woman dealing with grief. When the towns people tell her they feel her pain and have her nightmares, that's typical of someone in grief who dumps on others just to relieve themselves of their own pain. But finally, she realizes that her living in a fantasy has done nothing but bring more people pain. She's become what she wanted to avoid: being a pain!

In the post-credit scene, there are two of her. Doctor Strange would let his body sleep while his spirit read books and caught up whatever. Wanda seems to be doing something similar but is awake instead of her body sleeping. This could indicate that she's stronger and more powerful than she knew earlier in the show. She's able to do both, opposed to the astral projection being the real her while the body version of her is seperate, or the body is real and the astral is something else. Both are true here.

So is Wanda hearing her kids' voice at the very end her imagining them back into existence? They could possibly come back as teenagers in the Doctor Strange series due soon.

Also, when gray Vision gets his memories back, he says, "I am Vision." then he jets off (thru a hexagon aka the top of the library). So if his mission is to "my programming directive is to destroy the Vision", is he off to kill himself?

With the double Vision: The Ship of Theseus is discussed. Among other things, Theseus killed a sow that was created by a witch. Vision is a synthetic carbon-based life form, created by a (scarlet) witch.

Wanda is later wearing all gray/ash, often a note of death or depression.

There are great easter eggs like the wizard of Oz references: the boots under the house, the marque with OZ: Great and Powerful on it. The old original marque references a name in Blade Runner, Tannhäuser Gate.

Billy giving a nod to The Matrix with stopping a bullet is great, as is Tommy stealing a hat a la Peter in X-Men: Days of Future Past.

The fight with Agatha and Wanda was great. Agatha could've learned the power trick from when Tony Stark did that to Thanos, taking away his "snap" power. Also, what happens to Agatha once the hex collapses? I would bet the Wanda mind spell breaks, too. She's wearing the cameo brooch worn by her mother in the Salem sequences. It always stays the same no matter what, so it's got to be enchanted with magic so as no other types of magic work on it. This could give Agatha future advantages.

ANYHOO - thoughts?

onlyforaminute said:

I have gone back since and watched a couple of the movies. I had no clue who Monica was though I could tell you're supposed to. That was the biggest one for me. My son had to tell me that one. I had to go back to understand Jimmy Woo's card trick and how Darcy entered the picture. I was questioning the number 2800 now I understand it's referencing the comic universe. From what I'm told there's meddling of a few ideas from the various comic universes. It's definitely more about magic. Funny how Tony Stark is dead, the embodiment of technology.

The people that disappeared in the snap came back, though, did they not? Who says Stark didn't?

I figured 2800 had to do with something, but didn't look it up.

TrivialPursuit said:

EmmaMcG said:

TrivialPursuit said:

The people that disappeared in the snap came back, though, did they not? Who says Stark didn't?

I figured 2800 had to do with something, but didn't look it up.

People who died in the snap came back but people who died by other means did not. Loki is dead and not coming back, for example. At least, the Loki we've come to know over the last few movies. I suppose it's possible they could bring Tony Stark back by saying he's from an alternate universe or through more time travel shenanigans (like they're doing with Loki and Gamora) but doing so would really cheapen the most dramatic moment of the entire MCU. I read a few months ago that Robert Downey Jr was rumoured to have been in talks about returning to the MCU at some point (along with Chris Evans) but I would assume that if such a thing did happen it would be either for flashback scenes or possibly a cameo in the Doctor Strange multiverse movie. Nothing substantial or long lasting. Besides, the amount of new superheroes being introduced over the next few years is going to be crazy. I dare say they don't need Captain America or Iron Man anymore. Having said all that, they're doing an Ironheart show for Disney Plus with the intention of having her appear in future Avengers movies so Downey Jr could be the voice of her suit, similar to how Paul Bettany voiced JARVIS. They could easily work in a way that before he died he uploaded his consciousness to a supercomputer and acts as a mentor to Ironheart. [Edited 3/7/21 1:18am]

You should seriously seek a job as a writer for marvel

nayroo2002 said:

Dauphin said:

TrivialPursuit said:

I got to looking last night and realized there are a handful of MCU movies I've not seen:

Spider-man: Homecoming

Spider-man: Far From Home

Captain Marvel

Captain America: Winter Soldier

Captain America: Civil War

I plan to catch up very soon. Not sure why/how I missed watching them.

I sorta look at Wandavision as a longer movie. There is only one season, it's sorta LOTR long-ish.

Phase Four of the movies start in May 2021 through 2023. Some are Filming, In Development, PRE-production, Post-Production.

Black Widow (PP)

Shang-Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings (PP)

Eternals (PP)

Spider-man: No Way Home (F)

Doctor Strange in the Multivers of Madness (F)

Thor: Love and Thunder (F)

Black Panther II (ID)

Captain Marvel 2 (Pre)

Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania (F)

Guardians of the Galaxy, Vol 3 (ID)

Fantastic Four (ID)

Should be a fun few years.

TrivialPursuit said:

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EmmaMcG said:

Trivial, of the movies you haven't seen yet, Winter Soldier and Civil War are particular highlights. They're not typical superhero movies. Winter Soldier especially is very much like a modern version of a 70s political thriller.

You make a good point.

I don't know why I've low-key slept on Captain America movies. When I finally watched the first one, I loved it. But the subsequent ones didn't appearl to me (ie: the advertising). Yet the fact that he was created to combat Nazis seems ironic since I've always had a passing fascination with WWII Nazi Germany, the Holocaust, etc.

There's also another whole conversation to be had elsewhere about how female super heroes often don't go over as well as males, with the public. Doesn't mean no one likes them, means that shows like Super Girl or even the Catwoman stuff never got the same attention. Granted, it did make a lot of money, and more than brought back in its budget.

I'm anxious to watch them. I just really need more Paul Rudd in my life. Not a joke, just the truth.

FragileUndertow said:

When Even Peter appeared as Pietro/Quicksilver. I was like did they just Multiverse an X-Mex crossover!? I'm glad it wasn't.
And I hope they dont introduce the X-Men through some Multiverse. Just recast and give them their own MCU movie
Though I do love Hugh Jackman as Wolverine 👍 bring him back
This popped up in my feed a few days ago. A leak that marvel is working on an X-Men movie titled The Mutants.
https://thedisinsider.com...e-mutants/

Anywho fake Pietro was Ralph Bohner. Worst joke ever

EmmaMcG said:
People who died in the snap came back but people who died by other means did not. Loki is dead and not coming back

In Endgame when they go back to the battle in N.Y? They changed the past, they slip up and Loki escapes with the Infinity Stone. Did that rewrite his future and he lives? And he has a new Disney÷ series coming soon. I kinda thought the show might explain what he's been up to, or maybe he really did die. Idk

TrivialPursuit said:

EmmaMcG said:

EmmaMcG said:

There are no doubt some guys who wouldn't watch a female superhero movie no matter how good it was but I think the main reason that female superhero movies aren't as successful is that they're rarely as good as the male-led movies. How many good female superhero movies are there? The first Gal Gadot Wonder Woman movie and Captain Marvel. I can't think of any others. Helen Slater's Supergirl and Halle Berry's Catwoman are awful. And both deserved to flop. With those in mind it's not surprising that subconsciously, female superhero movies just don't resonate with people. Captain Marvel is a good start and hopefully Black Widow will continue the trend and eventually there'll be enough good female superhero movies that they will outweigh the bad and public opinion will change. There are quite a few female superheroes on the way too. Captain Marvel 2, Ironheart, Ms Marvel, even potentially Black Panther 2. Fingers crossed that Marvel bring back Jessica Jones.

Kinda makes me think that Pfeiffer should've gotten her own Catwoman movie instead.

Gal Gadot can eat rocks. Wonder Woman and its sequel are rancid trash. She's a horrible human being, too. That's another show.

And I can't think of many other female superheroes or big villains. Black Widow is sure to be a big success since Scarlet has really held her own in these movies. Captain Marvel did over 1.3B worldwide, but I just don't remember many folks talking about it like they did Infinity War or Endgame (as examples). I suppose we're missing that Wanda did get her own show, too.