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domainator2010

Plant-based meat is here!

Looks like non-meat meat is now a Thing! :

https://www.theguardian.c...r-meat-aoe

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Reply #1 posted 01/08/21 11:53am

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Impossible has been around for a minute. Red Robin and Burger King both serve Impossible burgers, at least a year ago. I've had them a couple of times at Red Robin, and they're delicious. Impossible meat is now in stores. I see it at Target right by the fresh chicken and beef.


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Reply #2 posted 01/08/21 1:43pm

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You're kidding, right? Soy burgers have been around for decades. Seriously - decades.

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Reply #3 posted 01/08/21 5:37pm

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You're kidding, right? Soy burgers have been around for decades. Seriously - decades.


Well yeah, but Impossible goes way beyond a soy burger. Even Boca burgers aren't all that great, despite Prince touting them for a hot second. Impossible really does taste and feel like a beef patty.

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Genesia said:

You're kidding, right? Soy burgers have been around for decades. Seriously - decades.

I ate my first vegetarian hamburger in Minneapolis in 1996.

I think it was made by a company called Morningstar Farms.

Aldi in Germany had a great tasting vegetarian burgerpatty in the late 90s, they were made in the Netherlands but there weren´t that many vegetarians in Germany back then so they discontinued it. But if memory serves me right it tasted just as good or even better than the best vegetarian burgers that are on the market today.

I´m no longer a vegetarian but I still buy vegetarian burgers sometimes, but as good as some of them taste, they still can´t compare to the real deal.

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Reply #5 posted 01/08/21 6:06pm

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TrivialPursuit said:

Genesia said:

You're kidding, right? Soy burgers have been around for decades. Seriously - decades.


Well yeah, but Impossible goes way beyond a soy burger. Even Boca burgers aren't all that great, despite Prince touting them for a hot second. Impossible really does taste and feel like a beef patty.

It´s been a while since I ate an Impossible burger and they don´t always have them at my supermarket but they really do taste a lot like a beef patty, though you can still tell that it´s not really beef. Something is lacking but I can´t say what it is. The texture is a bit soggy, too.

I haven´t tried the Burger King version yet but have heard good things about it, bu I´m not teally a fan of BK.

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Reply #6 posted 01/08/21 7:00pm

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TrivialPursuit said:

Impossible has been around for a minute. Red Robin and Burger King both serve Impossible burgers, at least a year ago. I've had them a couple of times at Red Robin, and they're delicious. Impossible meat is now in stores. I see it at Target right by the fresh chicken and beef.


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Awesome! Start Buying, man! smile

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Reply #7 posted 01/08/21 7:04pm

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This is news, here in India:

https://trak.in/tags/busi...ble-pizza/

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Reply #8 posted 01/08/21 9:10pm

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As person who makes fake cow flesh wants to ban the real thing so he can sell more if his product? So eliminate the compatition?
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Reply #9 posted 01/09/21 12:36am

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Good stuff, real burgers aren’t as tasty as they used to be or I’m just getting older and changing.
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Reply #10 posted 01/09/21 7:40am

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Good stuff, real burgers aren’t as tasty as they used to be or I’m just getting older and changing.

That depends...next time you're in NYC, check out Jackson Hole on 3rd Avenue. I guarantee you won't be disappointed.

https://jacksonholeburgers.com/35th/

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uPtoWnNY said:

Hudson said:

Good stuff, real burgers aren’t as tasty as they used to be or I’m just getting older and changing.

That depends...next time you're in NYC, check out Jackson Hole on 3rd Avenue. I guarantee you won't be disappointed.

https://jacksonholeburgers.com/35th/

Wow, some of their burgers look delicious !

But some look a bit extreme, for example those with that extremely oversized patty. I wouldn´t really know how to eat one of those.

The late Anthony Bourdain, may he rest in peace, once said that the perfect burger is the one that you could eat with one hand. lol But then again, that would be a tad too small.

As far as franchise burger chains are concerned, I still like Five Guys a lot. They keep it simple, not too fancy , and their burgers and especially their cajun fries taste great.

What I don´t like are fancy burgers with stuff in them that in my opinion does not belong in a burger, for example brie cheese, cranberry sauce, mango etc., etc.

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Reply #12 posted 01/09/21 12:46pm

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As person who makes fake cow flesh wants to ban the real thing so he can sell more if his product? So eliminate the compatition?

Given the shortage that just recently happened I think the writing is on the wall that meat manufacturing is having a difficult time keeping up with the actual demand. Alternatives hsve been being looked at for a while now.
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Reply #13 posted 01/09/21 12:56pm

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JUST PUT IT HERE:

"...farmed poultry makes up around 70% of the birds on the planet. More than half of mammals are livestock, mainly cattle and pigs, and just 4% are wild animals."

I'm more intrigued by lab-grown flesh because it highly reduces recources meant for human endurance.

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Reply #14 posted 01/09/21 1:46pm

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uPtoWnNY said:

That depends...next time you're in NYC, check out Jackson Hole on 3rd Avenue. I guarantee you won't be disappointed.

https://jacksonholeburgers.com/35th/

Wow, some of their burgers look delicious !

But some look a bit extreme, for example those with that extremely oversized patty. I wouldn´t really know how to eat one of those.

The late Anthony Bourdain, may he rest in peace, once said that the perfect burger is the one that you could eat with one hand. lol But then again, that would be a tad too small.

As far as franchise burger chains are concerned, I still like Five Guys a lot. They keep it simple, not too fancy , and their burgers and especially their cajun fries taste great.

What I don´t like are fancy burgers with stuff in them that in my opinion does not belong in a burger, for example brie cheese, cranberry sauce, mango etc., etc.

You can't eat a Jackson Hole burger with one hand, that's for sure (I've seen folks use a knife & fork). My favorites are the soul, mexican, pizza & lobster burgers. Their side orders are great, and they made a terrific New England clam chowder.

After I eat there, I just want to go to sleep. That's how much food they give you.

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Reply #15 posted 01/11/21 7:27am

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onlyforaminute said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:
As person who makes fake cow flesh wants to ban the real thing so he can sell more if his product? So eliminate the compatition?
Given the shortage that just recently happened I think the writing is on the wall that meat manufacturing is having a difficult time keeping up with the actual demand. Alternatives hsve been being looked at for a while now.


The shortage had absolutely nothing to do with there being an adequate supply of animals for meat. It was all about COVID outbreaks in processing facilities.

Meat production (especially if it doesn't involve factory farms and feed lots) is actually more environmentally friendly than, say, soy farming. Cattle can graze land that isn't suitable for other forms of agriculture. Most soy is genetically modified and requires tremendous amounts of resources and toxins (land, petroleum, pesticides) to produce.

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Reply #16 posted 01/11/21 7:36am

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Genesia said:



onlyforaminute said:


OnlyNDaUsa said:
As person who makes fake cow flesh wants to ban the real thing so he can sell more if his product? So eliminate the compatition?

Given the shortage that just recently happened I think the writing is on the wall that meat manufacturing is having a difficult time keeping up with the actual demand. Alternatives hsve been being looked at for a while now.


The shortage had absolutely nothing to do with there being an adequate supply of animals for meat. It was all about COVID outbreaks in processing facilities.

Meat production (especially if it doesn't involve factory farms and feed lots) is actually more environmentally friendly than, say, soy farming. Cattle can graze land that isn't suitable for other forms of agriculture. Most soy is genetically modified and requires tremendous amounts of resources and toxins (land, petroleum, pesticides) to produce.


Ive posted a few articles about meat alternatives pre covid. There are certain problems involved.around the world.




Elsevier
Journal of Integrative Agriculture
Volume 14, Issue 2, February 2015, Pages 255-263
Journal of Integrative Agriculture
REVIEW
What is artificial meat and what does it mean for the future of the meat industry?
Author links open overlay panelSarah P FBonnyabcGraham EGardneraDavid WPethickaJean-FrançoisHocquettebc
https://doi.org/10.1016/S...14)60888-1
The meat industry cannot respond to increases in demand by ever increasing resource use. The industry must find solutions to issues regarding animal welfare, health and sustainability and will have to do so in the face of competition from emerging non-traditional meat and protein products in an increasingly complex regulatory environment. These novel meat and protein products, otherwise known as ‘artificial meat’ are utilising ground breaking technologies designed to meet the issues facing the conventional meat industry. These artificial meats, in vitro or cultured meat and meat from genetically modified organisms have no real capacity to compete with conventional meat production in the present environment. However, meat replacements manufactured from plant proteins and mycoproteins are currently the biggest competitors and are gaining a small percentage of the market. Manufactured meats may push conventional meat into the premium end of the market, and supply the bulk, cheap end of the market if conventional meat products become more expensive and the palatability and versatility of manufactured meats improve. In time the technology for other artificial meats such as meat from genetic modified organisms or cultured meat may become sufficiently developed for these products to enter the market with no complexity of the competition between meat products.

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The Good Food Institute reports that the current retail market for plant-based foods is valued at $5 billion. In 2019, plant-based meats accounted for $939 million of those billions, a 38% jump from 2017.

Other reports suggest that the majority of consumers of plant-based meats still like to chow down on beef burgers on other nights. According to the NPD Group, 90% of the consumers buying plant-based meat are neither vegans nor vegetarians.

Wall Street investors are paying attention; the big meat companies are watching their every move (Tyson Foods invested in Beyond Meat back in 2016); and new competitors continue to come on the scene.
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Reply #17 posted 01/11/21 8:35am

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I'm not sure what you're getting at with the above post, but I prefer to avoid Frankenfood wherever possible.

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Reply #18 posted 01/11/21 8:40am

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Thank goodness for having a choice.
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Reply #19 posted 01/11/21 9:58am

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I'm a meat based plant.

All you others say Hell Yea!! woot!
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Reply #20 posted 01/11/21 11:50am

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domainator2010 said:

TrivialPursuit said:

Impossible has been around for a minute. Red Robin and Burger King both serve Impossible burgers, at least a year ago. I've had them a couple of times at Red Robin, and they're delicious. Impossible meat is now in stores. I see it at Target right by the fresh chicken and beef.


Awesome! Start Buying, man! smile


I don't plan on buying it on a regular basis.

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Genesia said:

I'm not sure what you're getting at with the above post, but I prefer to avoid Frankenfood wherever possible.

One of the best fast food hamburgers I´ve ever eaten (besides Five Guys of course) was a Butter Burger, and some other burger I can´t remember, at Culvers in Wisconsin. Haven´t tried IN N OUT yet but Culvers makes some great burgers.

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onlyforaminute said:

Thank goodness for having a choice.

Agreed. I´m all for plant based alternatives but they are not necessarily healthier , and I´m not sure how much better they are for the environment. I´d gladly pay a premium if that would guarantee that the meat I eat is from animals that were raised responsibly and without torture. And I eat plant based burgers every now and then, even quite often to be honest, but they can´t compare with the real deal (yet). Also, I don´t understand why some of those big companies charge more for a plant based burger with cheap ingredients than I would have to pay for a meat based burger. They often contain cheap pea protein , or soy or seitan, and those ingredients are very cheap.

Not to mention the high fat levels and all the fat you need to prepare them.

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KoolEaze said:

Genesia said:

I'm not sure what you're getting at with the above post, but I prefer to avoid Frankenfood wherever possible.

One of the best fast food hamburgers I´ve ever eaten (besides Five Guys of course) was a Butter Burger, and some other burger I can´t remember, at Culvers in Wisconsin. Haven´t tried IN N OUT yet but Culvers makes some great burgers.


A Culver's Butterburger with cheddar is the only burger I'll eat with absolutely nothing on it - it's that good. drool

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Reply #24 posted 01/12/21 7:11am

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uPtoWnNY said:

Hudson said:

Good stuff, real burgers aren’t as tasty as they used to be or I’m just getting older and changing.

That depends...next time you're in NYC, check out Jackson Hole on 3rd Avenue. I guarantee you won't be disappointed.

https://jacksonholeburgers.com/35th/

Noted! Also try:

*Orchard Grocer

*Uptown Vegan

The city is full of great vegan/vegetarian options, but for burgers, specifically, these 2 spots are my faves so far foodnow

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onlyforaminute said:


Thank goodness for having a choice.

Agreed. I´m all for plant based alternatives but they are not necessarily healthier , and I´m not sure how much better they are for the environment. I´d gladly pay a premium if that would guarantee that the meat I eat is from animals that were raised responsibly and without torture. And I eat plant based burgers every now and then, even quite often to be honest, but they can´t compare with the real deal (yet). Also, I don´t understand why some of those big companies charge more for a plant based burger with cheap ingredients than I would have to pay for a meat based burger. They often contain cheap pea protein , or soy or seitan, and those ingredients are very cheap.


Not to mention the high fat levels and all the fat you need to prepare them.




I'm preplexed by it. It is a bit more and no the nutritional value isn't better than meat yet as I've posted even those in the meat industry have been investing in this for a little while now. You have several labs trying to find ways to "grow" meat without the need to slaughter. The technology is there but it is extremely expensive. But given time that might be the new way. It's seems obvious we are heading to a breaking point and someone is trying to work on solutions.
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onlyforaminute said:

KoolEaze said:

Agreed. I´m all for plant based alternatives but they are not necessarily healthier , and I´m not sure how much better they are for the environment. I´d gladly pay a premium if that would guarantee that the meat I eat is from animals that were raised responsibly and without torture. And I eat plant based burgers every now and then, even quite often to be honest, but they can´t compare with the real deal (yet). Also, I don´t understand why some of those big companies charge more for a plant based burger with cheap ingredients than I would have to pay for a meat based burger. They often contain cheap pea protein , or soy or seitan, and those ingredients are very cheap.

Not to mention the high fat levels and all the fat you need to prepare them.

I'm preplexed by it. It is a bit more and no the nutritional value isn't better than meat yet as I've posted even those in the meat industry have been investing in this for a little while now. You have several labs trying to find ways to "grow" meat without the need to slaughter. The technology is there but it is extremely expensive. But given time that might be the new way. It's seems obvious we are heading to a breaking point and someone is trying to work on solutions.

Oh, don´t get me wrong, I´m fully aware of the excesses that we´ve been part of for too long, and it´s definitely time to do something about it, as long as it is not forced or mandated.

And I have hopes that lab grown meat will be used more often in the near future. Right now it is still incredibly expensive but just a couple of years ago it was even more expensive and you would´ve had to pay thousands for a medium sized burger, which is no longer the case (even though it´s still a very costly process). I see a future for lab grown meat in fast food burgers and processed foods such as ravioli, sausages, cold cuts etc. but I doubt that it can really replace organic angus beef or any other organic , humanely produced meats. Some people can taste every little detail in quality beef, from how the cow was raised to what it ate and where it´s from, just like a wine connoiseur can tell you lots of details about a good bottle of wine, so lab grown meat is not going to convince a gourmet anytime soon, but yes, it is indeed a good sign that there are more and more alternatives these days, and that we can expect even more and better alternatives in the future, and I´m saying this as an ex-vegetarian who only eats meat very rarely these days.

I think we need balance.

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Reply #27 posted 01/13/21 7:55am

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KoolEaze said:



onlyforaminute said:


KoolEaze said:


Agreed. I´m all for plant based alternatives but they are not necessarily healthier , and I´m not sure how much better they are for the environment. I´d gladly pay a premium if that would guarantee that the meat I eat is from animals that were raised responsibly and without torture. And I eat plant based burgers every now and then, even quite often to be honest, but they can´t compare with the real deal (yet). Also, I don´t understand why some of those big companies charge more for a plant based burger with cheap ingredients than I would have to pay for a meat based burger. They often contain cheap pea protein , or soy or seitan, and those ingredients are very cheap.


Not to mention the high fat levels and all the fat you need to prepare them.



I'm preplexed by it. It is a bit more and no the nutritional value isn't better than meat yet as I've posted even those in the meat industry have been investing in this for a little while now. You have several labs trying to find ways to "grow" meat without the need to slaughter. The technology is there but it is extremely expensive. But given time that might be the new way. It's seems obvious we are heading to a breaking point and someone is trying to work on solutions.

Oh, don´t get me wrong, I´m fully aware of the excesses that we´ve been part of for too long, and it´s definitely time to do something about it, as long as it is not forced or mandated.


And I have hopes that lab grown meat will be used more often in the near future. Right now it is still incredibly expensive but just a couple of years ago it was even more expensive and you would´ve had to pay thousands for a medium sized burger, which is no longer the case (even though it´s still a very costly process). I see a future for lab grown meat in fast food burgers and processed foods such as ravioli, sausages, cold cuts etc. but I doubt that it can really replace organic angus beef or any other organic , humanely produced meats. Some people can taste every little detail in quality beef, from how the cow was raised to what it ate and where it´s from, just like a wine connoiseur can tell you lots of details about a good bottle of wine, so lab grown meat is not going to convince a gourmet anytime soon, but yes, it is indeed a good sign that there are more and more alternatives these days, and that we can expect even more and better alternatives in the future, and I´m saying this as an ex-vegetarian who only eats meat very rarely these days.


I think we need balance.


Well the true connoisseur make up a very tiny percentage of food buyers. Been a zillion books written about how the fast food industry is the driving force in food production and responsible for what's available in the supermarket. There are meats(or cuts) that have either disappeared, are hard to find or have gotten very expensive in your general markets theses days. And it happened within my adult lifetime. Granted it is the connoisseur that has made it possible for there to be "other". Still can't ignore what's happening.
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Reply #28 posted 01/15/21 1:44pm

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KFC Is Bringing Back Their Original Double Down

Could THIS be lab-grown?

I give it 5 years lol

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Reply #29 posted 01/16/21 1:12pm

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Cultured meat seems gross? It's much better than animal agriculture
Matti Wilks, Yale University
February 27, 2019 6.40am EST

The world is in the grips of a food-tech revolution. One of the most compelling new developments is cultured meat, also known as clean, cell-based or slaughter-free meat. It’s grown from stem cells taken from a live animal without the need for slaughter.

Proponents hail cultured meat as the long-awaited solution to the factory farming problem. If commercialized successfully, it could solve many of the environmental, animal welfare and public health issues of animal agriculture while giving consumers exactly what they’re used to eating.

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Animal agriculture is also inefficient. Growing and feeding an entire animal for only part of its body is inevitably less efficient than growing just the parts that you want to eat.

Factory farming degrades the environment and contaminates local land and water, in addition to emitting around 14.5 percent of human-induced greenhouse gas emissions worldwide.

The use of antibiotics in farming leads to antibiotic resistance, which could have devastating consequences for human health globally. In 2016, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration reported that over 70 percent of medically important drugs were sold for use in animal agriculture.

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In fact, cultured meat provides a new industry, with opportunities to grow and process products for use in cellular agriculture. The meat industry can learn a lesson from how taxis lost out to Uber and Lyft; they must adapt to new technologies to survive and thrive. And the industry is already taking steps in this direction – Tyson Foods and Cargill Meat Solutions, two of the biggest meat producers in the U.S., have made investments in this new future.

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Bill Gates and Richard Branson are betting lab-grown meat might be the food of the future
PUBLISHED FRI, MAR 23 20189:52 AM EDTUPDATED FRI, MAR 23 20187:23 PM EDT

KEY POINTS
Investors like Tyson and Cargill could put ‘clean meat’ on grocery shelves within three years.
Traditional meat production is ecologically devastating, and a growing world population could make farm-raised animal meat unfeasible by 2050.
Billionaires, including Bill Gates, say there is no way to produce enough meat traditionally to feed the world population of the future.
For lab-grown meat start-ups, going after $50-per-pound foie gras makes as much sense as grocery-store staples like burgers and chicken nuggets.
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