domainator2010 said:

lust said:

domainator2010 said: Nope, but I’m definitely too old to search for conversions about things that I’m not interested in and then tell everyone how childish they are for liking it! Can I get a “touché”?

because if I did, I'd be WRONG, of course?

No, you cannot get anything.

I'm not trying to be nasty in any way - is Han Solo or the monkey going to help you with your 1) mortgage? 2) your hairfall? 3) your bank balance? 4) your kids' report card/s at school? 5) the health of your aging parents? 6) coronavirus? Like, are they??

I'll be 60 in over a month, and I watch sci-fi, read comic books and play videogames....they're called "hobbies".

namepeace said:

ufoclub said:

Have people learned nothing about OVERSATURATION!

FULL DISCLOSURE: I'm an OG Star Wars 1977 fanatic. And I only hold that film canon in my heart. Can't help it.

As someone whose parents paid for more than a dozen trips to the movie theater for him to see A New Hope, I understand.

But I've watched these projects ever since the first Clone Wars shorts in the 2000s. These new "expanded universe" creators (to dust off an old term) are dedicated to the spirit of the OT AND the best aspects of the prequels.

There may be a tipping point. 4 Star Wars movies in 5 years was, even in my eyes, a bit much. But I think this content is spread across various platforms and will be well received if well done.

There's been cool things here and there, but nothing hit me like that original movie. Not even Empire Strikes Back. But I do like checking out the VFX in The Mandelorian. I do want to see the animated series since I'm seeing people rave about them.

ufoclub said:

namepeace said:

As someone whose parents paid for more than a dozen trips to the movie theater for him to see A New Hope, I understand.

But I've watched these projects ever since the first Clone Wars shorts in the 2000s. These new "expanded universe" creators (to dust off an old term) are dedicated to the spirit of the OT AND the best aspects of the prequels.

There may be a tipping point. 4 Star Wars movies in 5 years was, even in my eyes, a bit much. But I think this content is spread across various platforms and will be well received if well done.

There's been cool things here and there, but nothing hit me like that original movie. Not even Empire Strikes Back. But I do like checking out the VFX in The Mandelorian. I do want to see the animated series since I'm seeing people rave about them.

For me, A New Hope was 4 stars, Empire 5. After that, the series jumped-the-shark with 'Return of the Care Bears'. The prequels were, meh, but they're classics compared to what followed.

ufoclub said:

Have people learned nothing about OVERSATURATION!

FULL DISCLOSURE: I'm an OG Star Wars 1977 fanatic. And I only hold that film canon in my heart. Can't help it.

LOL I'm with you

There are some 'LEGENDS' novels that would have made wonderful movies though

But I do think some of this stuff waters down the fantasy of star wars.

uPtoWnNY said:

ufoclub said:

There's been cool things here and there, but nothing hit me like that original movie. Not even Empire Strikes Back. But I do like checking out the VFX in The Mandelorian. I do want to see the animated series since I'm seeing people rave about them.

For me, A New Hope was 4 stars, Empire 5. After that, the series jumped-the-shark with 'Return of the Care Bears'. The prequels were, meh, but they're classics compared to what followed.

V was the better movie, but like ufo, I'll never forget the impact of that first 2 minutes in that movie theater watching IV, and from there, transported to a whole new world. It was a game changer. Not even V could recapture that moment, though without V, we're not sitting here today talking about the franchise.

OldFriends4Sale said:

ufoclub said:

Have people learned nothing about OVERSATURATION!

FULL DISCLOSURE: I'm an OG Star Wars 1977 fanatic. And I only hold that film canon in my heart. Can't help it.

LOL I'm with you

There are some 'LEGENDS' novels that would have made wonderful movies though

But I do think some of this stuff waters down the fantasy of star wars.

I think you've hit on something.

Imagination is oxygen to the Star Wars universe. Every single fan has imagined a specific universe in his or her head. When that universe is expanded, longtime fans' imagination is reduced further.

namepeace said:

uPtoWnNY said:

For me, A New Hope was 4 stars, Empire 5. After that, the series jumped-the-shark with 'Return of the Care Bears'. The prequels were, meh, but they're classics compared to what followed.

V was the better movie, but like ufo, I'll never forget the impact of that first 2 minutes in that movie theater watching IV, and from there, transported to a whole new world. It was a game changer. Not even V could recapture that moment, though without V, we're not sitting here today talking about the franchise.

Aww yes V was great

namepeace said:

uPtoWnNY said:

For me, A New Hope was 4 stars, Empire 5. After that, the series jumped-the-shark with 'Return of the Care Bears'. The prequels were, meh, but they're classics compared to what followed.

V was the better movie, but like ufo, I'll never forget the impact of that first 2 minutes in that movie theater watching IV, and from there, transported to a whole new world. It was a game changer. Not even V could recapture that moment, though without V, we're not sitting here today talking about the franchise.

I could easily defend that Star Wars is better than Empire Strikes Back. But Empire is a strange rollercoaster of incredibly intense scenes like Luke's duel with Vader or Yoda's lecture on the force and then lifting the x-wing... Those are great... but they are....

... combined with the shitty b-movie Wampa ice creature sequence (just written in to explain the new scars on Mark Hamill's face), the 60's TV show like giant space slug sequence complete with tilting the camera while the actors act like the ground is moving and creatures flying on wires... plus the ridiculous split screen moment at the end of the psychic cheesball moment of "Luke, Father, Son", and, let not forget, a ghostyl shimmering Obi-Wan (no class compared to the voice use in Star Wars).

Empire has as a fake sound stage, theater like feeling in many moments that rubs me the wrong way. It all got wackier in a cheesy way.

Vader went from a physically dangerous man that would crush the bones in throat with his bare hands, to a guy that gestures lazily while facetiming to envoke a magic choke. Not good.

Nothing compares to all the inventive adventure plot scenarios in Star Wars, from trash compactor to Cantina, from training droid and chess game to the end battle. I read and re-read that novelization over and over as 3rd-4th grader

sorry but if you cannot recite the entire script of empire strikes back word for word while watching than maybe ur not a real star wars fan .. ha .. tha acting in empire is too good .. so much drama and classic timeless moments and tension with luke n vader trying not to kill his son .. i try to check out most of the star wars crap that comes out .. most of it is rough but i cant help it .. mando would be better if baby yoda wasn't just a prop at this point .. still a fun show .. so was clone wars at times .. new stuff looks good for something to watch one time .. probably not much repeated viewing tho

oh and V was kickass!!

MANDALORIAN SPOILERS IN THIS POST:


One project that wasn't initially revealed, on purpose, was an easter egg at the end of the season 2 finale of The Mandalorian. It is The Book of Boba Fett. Jon Fav said it will premiere in December 2021. Once it's done filming, and edted and ready, they'll go right into production for season 3 of The Mandalorian. So we'll get BOBF first, then season 3 of Mandalorian.

He also said Mark Hamill was on set and younged down for his performance. But I think they still overlayed some of his younger face, sort of a meshing of both. The team was worried the Hamill finale would leak in some fashion, but it didn't. The same fear was around for the "baby Yoda" reveal at the beginning of the series. But somehow, it all stayed secret.

He also mentioned Grogu's name was around for a while in his head.

In another thread, I mentioned that there's a great video talking about how the show uses virtual LED backgrounds, opposed to green screen, and the much better look it has to the whole thing.

TrivialPursuit said:

EmmaMcG said:

EmmaMcG said:

SPOILERS The "young Hamill" effects were some of the worst I've ever seen. Luke Skywalker has appeared more realistic in video games. But having said that, I'm inclined to give them a pass. That moment was just too fucking cool to nitpick about the CGI.

It reminded me of that scene in Rogue One where Darth Vader cuts through a bunch of soldiers. Like something from a horror movie or something. The unstoppable killer. Only here the roles were reversed and it was the good guy who appeared as the killer. Plus, what a great moment. It's rare these days that things like this don't leak out ahead of time. But until he took his hood down I didn't think it would be Luke Skywalker. In fact, I was almost convinced it was Cal Kestis from Jedi: Fallen Order. That would have been cool in itself. But Luke Skywalker was even better. Despite the dodgy face.

Absolutely agree. It felt flat, like a Deep Face on YouTube. He was dead behind the eyes. Like - no touching up to create at least a furrow on the brow, or a smile line?! No warmth of color?

That scene, I believe, purposely mirrored the one from A New Hope/Rogue One. There are images somewhere of it all side by side. There's also a moment in Force Awakens with Qui Gon and Obi Wan and a similar moment with droids, but not nearly as hefty. If anything, both Anakin & Luke busting through doors in a cloud of smoke, etc., makes them one of the more dramatic families in the universe.

I also believe Din taking off his helmet and seeing Grogu with his own eyes, and vice versa greatly mirror Luke seeing his father at the end of Return of the Jedi.

There was also a moment in season 1 where Cara Dune has a conversation with Din where Din is advocating for the kid to have a better life not traveling with him. "that's not life for a child." Dune states, "It's gonna break his little heart," to which Din says he'll get over it. Everyone does. Yet in the finale, it felt more like Din's heart was broken but he still encourages Grogu "don't be afraid." So a nice full circle moment there.

TrivialPursuit said:

i don't like how they mirror parts of the other movies at all .. it is lazy and cheap .. the Sequal Trilogy literally read as tho they took all the major moments of the Original Trilogy .. put em in a hat .. and took em out in a whacky order .. mando had a lot of nostalgia fodder probably too much .. there needs to be a cool factor again .. not just a retread .. someone with some real stories and interesting ideas that go beyond find person, object goal, fight bad guys, reunite with friends .. ya know .. an actual story arc would be nice .. with an actual payoff beyond the good guys won .. at least mando was directed in a way that didn't fuck up the aesthetics like the crap they put in the PT and ST

ufoclub said:

namepeace said:

V was the better movie, but like ufo, I'll never forget the impact of that first 2 minutes in that movie theater watching IV, and from there, transported to a whole new world. It was a game changer. Not even V could recapture that moment, though without V, we're not sitting here today talking about the franchise.

I could easily defend that Star Wars is better than Empire Strikes Back. But Empire is a strange rollercoaster of incredibly intense scenes like Luke's duel with Vader or Yoda's lecture on the force and then lifting the x-wing... Those are great... but they are....

... combined with the shitty b-movie Wampa ice creature sequence (just written in to explain the new scars on Mark Hamill's face), the 60's TV show like giant space slug sequence complete with tilting the camera while the actors act like the ground is moving and creatures flying on wires... plus the ridiculous split screen moment at the end of the psychic cheesball moment of "Luke, Father, Son", and, let not forget, a ghostyl shimmering Obi-Wan (no class compared to the voice use in Star Wars).

Empire has as a fake sound stage, theater like feeling in many moments that rubs me the wrong way. It all got wackier in a cheesy way.

Vader went from a physically dangerous man that would crush the bones in throat with his bare hands, to a guy that gestures lazily while facetiming to envoke a magic choke. Not good.

Nothing compares to all the inventive adventure plot scenarios in Star Wars, from trash compactor to Cantina, from training droid and chess game to the end battle. I read and re-read that novelization over and over as 3rd-4th grader

We can agree to disagree on V, which a majority if not most SW fans and general audiences alike agree is the best of the Skywalker Trilogy. When I left the theater each time I saw V, I felt like the story was darker and grittier.

I especially disagree on your take on Vader from IV to V -- I came out thinking of him as much stronger and powerful than he displayed in IV, when he was under the thumb oif Tarkin (even Leia threw trash talk her daddy's way about him being on Tarkin's "leash") and wasn't all that fearsome in his fight with a much older Kenobi. In V we got a much wider look at the scope of Vader's power, from his telekenetic killing ability, to toying with Han by blocking his blaster shots, to the outright mastery of the Force he unleashed on Luke in their duel, and his ability to talk with Luke using the Force thereafter. Without V, Star Wars wouldn't have staying power.

But here's where I'll agree with you. No movie since IV has matched its magic for fans like me V was a masterpiece, but it doesn't exist if IV wasn't a game-changer.

IV is like 1999
V is like purple rain
VI is like graffiti bridge

EmmaMcG said:

domainator2010 said:

because if I did, I'd be WRONG, of course?

No, you cannot get anything.

I'm not trying to be nasty in any way - is Han Solo or the monkey going to help you with your 1) mortgage? 2) your hairfall? 3) your bank balance? 4) your kids' report card/s at school? 5) the health of your aging parents? 6) coronavirus? Like, are they??

Wow. That is one of the most stupid things I've ever read. It's actually quite impressive how stupid that is. Congratulations, I guess.

Yeah....like a movie where a guy with a bow and fucking arrow beats people firing LASER weapons, and the goodies and baddies are colour-coded! You're dumber than a horse, Em

TrevorAyer said:

IV is like 1999
V is like purple rain
VI is like graffiti bridge

If the GB reference is a compliment, i.e., it's good enough but not on Purple Rain's level, I'll fully agree. If It's not, I understand but disagree slightly.

namepeace said:

I especially disagree on your take on Vader from IV to V -- I came out thinking of him as much stronger and powerful than he displayed in IV, when he was under the thumb oif Tarkin (even Leia threw trash talk her daddy's way about him being on Tarkin's "leash") and wasn't all that fearsome in his fight with a much older Kenobi. In V we got a much wider look at the scope of Vader's power, from his telekenetic killing ability, to toying with Han by blocking his blaster shots, to the outright mastery of the Force he unleashed on Luke in their duel, and his ability to talk with Luke using the Force thereafter. Without V, Star Wars wouldn't have staying power.

The tragedy of Vader is, because of his injuries, he could never reach his full potential (like generating force lightning). He couldn't even breathe on his own without the suit. The Emperor even thought this in Dark Lord-The Rise of Darth Vader novel.

[Edited 12/28/20 15:33pm]

uPtoWnNY said:

namepeace said:

I especially disagree on your take on Vader from IV to V -- I came out thinking of him as much stronger and powerful than he displayed in IV, when he was under the thumb oif Tarkin (even Leia threw trash talk her daddy's way about him being on Tarkin's "leash") and wasn't all that fearsome in his fight with a much older Kenobi. In V we got a much wider look at the scope of Vader's power, from his telekenetic killing ability, to toying with Han by blocking his blaster shots, to the outright mastery of the Force he unleashed on Luke in their duel, and his ability to talk with Luke using the Force thereafter. Without V, Star Wars wouldn't have staying power.

The tragedy of Vader is, because of his injuries, he could never reach his full potential (like generating force lightning). He couldn't even breathe on his own without the suit. The Emperor even thought this in Dark Lord-The Rise of Darth Vader novel.

[Edited 12/28/20 15:33pm]

Right -- in the canon and EU comics and books, Sidious holds him in contempt for his weakness, but the fact that he could summon such power despite losing most of his strength.

I see Kathleen Kennedy is still there so I'll pass on any Star Wars releases. The Mandalorian season 2 was dissapointing to (not to mentioned that predictable ending, I saw a deepfake that looked amazing compared to that Rogue One quality disaster.)
A couple of days ago I was treated to the horror of Wonder Woman 84 (my wife loves it and thinks it's even better than the first one ) so absolutely not looking forward to Rogue Squadron. As awsome as that video game was as crap this series will be I think.

JorisE73 said:

I see Kathleen Kennedy is still there so I'll pass on any Star Wars releases.

domainator2010 said:

uPtoWnNY said:

JorisE73 said:

I see Kathleen Kennedy is still there so I'll pass on any Star Wars releases.

I was hoping the rumor of her headbutting with Jon Favreau regarding the direction of Star Wars from last year was true as she was out. there was also a rumor that she set up a new production company for productions spearheded by and for women. So I guess more woke Star ars for the time being. I'll stick to the pre 1999 official canon (Episodes 4, 5, 6 and the EU novels from back in the day.)

domainator2010 said:

lust said:

domainator2010 said: Nope, but I’m definitely too old to search for conversions about things that I’m not interested in and then tell everyone how childish they are for liking it! Can I get a “touché”?

because if I did, I'd be WRONG, of course?

No, you cannot get anything.

I'm not trying to be nasty in any way - is Han Solo or the monkey going to help you with your 1) mortgage? 2) your hairfall? 3) your bank balance? 4) your kids' report card/s at school? 5) the health of your aging parents? 6) coronavirus? Like, are they??

Impact of happiness and the creation of serotonin and health.
Inspiration to create something that could cure hairfall, generate income or whatever.
So a solid 'maybe' for all of those questions.

domainator2010 said:

JorisE73 said:

uPtoWnNY said:

I was hoping the rumor of her headbutting with Jon Favreau regarding the direction of Star Wars from last year was true as she was out. there was also a rumor that she set up a new production company for productions spearheded by and for women. So I guess more woke Star ars for the time being. I'll stick to the pre 1999 official canon (Episodes 4, 5, 6 and the EU novels from back in the day.)

I'll include the prequels too. As flawed as they are, they're better compared to what followed.