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domainator2010

Do today's stars last less long?

...So I was randomly surfing the Internet, and I came across This:

https://upbeatnews.com/sp...erm=nofame

...and that got me to thinking - do stars of today last less long than the stars of yesteryear used to? I mean, Prince lasted for what, 40 YEARS or something, didn't he? These guys are gone in less than TWO or THREE, some of them...!!! A bigger question is....after the Internet, is the amount of time a celeb lasts getting shorter IN GENERAL, as time goes on??!! ie. as more and more music and movies and shows etc etc etc get released, ie. as more media EXISTS?

WHY that is happening is probably a question best left to the anthropologists (well, us too!), but first - IS it??

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Reply #1 posted 09/10/20 12:56pm

onlyforaminute

Longevity does not seem to be the goal anymore, branching your brand into other ventures seems to be the current trend. I hesrd the expectancy rate is 5 years.
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Reply #2 posted 09/10/20 3:20pm

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Well, the push is behind the big idea and spectacle no matter what corner of Pop culture ur talking about. The push used to be behind making the artist a star but things change.
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Reply #3 posted 09/10/20 3:31pm

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Todays "music" sucks

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Reply #4 posted 09/14/20 9:52pm

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kpowers said:

Todays "music" sucks

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exactly.

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& the attention span of many people under 30 is at about.. 10 minutes.

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in ALL MY DREAMS..
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Reply #5 posted 09/15/20 8:24am

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I'd be more of the opinion that they last longer. Kanye, Pharrell, Beyonce, Eminem, ... all famous for 20 years or so and still releasing number 1 albums. How many people with number 1s in the 60s were still releasing number 1s in the 80s and 90s? There's always been plenty of people who were only briefly famous.

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Reply #6 posted 09/15/20 8:31am

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If you are not flawless looking you are fucked. The 70s were great because ugly was in.

And, why so many Brit actors playing Americans?

All you others say Hell Yea!! woot!
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Reply #7 posted 09/15/20 9:20am

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2freaky4church1 said:

If you are not flawless looking you are fucked. The 70s were great because ugly was in.



And, why so many Brit actors playing Americans?



I think Ed Sheeran would probably disagree. He's really popular but he's ugly as sin. His music is boring as fuck too. And yet, he's been very successful.
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Reply #8 posted 09/15/20 10:53am

domainator2010

Come on, I like a lot of Ed Sheeran songs smile

Did you see that movie Yesterday?

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Reply #9 posted 09/15/20 10:56am

domainator2010

jaawwnn said:

I'd be more of the opinion that they last longer. Kanye, Pharrell, Beyonce, Eminem, ... all famous for 20 years or so and still releasing number 1 albums. How many people with number 1s in the 60s were still releasing number 1s in the 80s and 90s? There's always been plenty of people who were only briefly famous.


No, I meant - people who became famous NOW-ish, how much longer are they going to remain famous? ie. now that the NET (such as Youtube, Facebook) is in full swing. 20 years back, the NET was just getting started....

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Reply #10 posted 09/15/20 11:18am

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domainator2010 said:

Come on, I like a lot of Ed Sheeran songs smile

Did you see that movie Yesterday?



Yes, I seen it. And as someone who hates 99% of The Beatles output, that movie was like pure torture to me.
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Reply #11 posted 09/15/20 11:28am

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domainator2010 said:



jaawwnn said:


I'd be more of the opinion that they last longer. Kanye, Pharrell, Beyonce, Eminem, ... all famous for 20 years or so and still releasing number 1 albums. How many people with number 1s in the 60s were still releasing number 1s in the 80s and 90s? There's always been plenty of people who were only briefly famous.




No, I meant - people who became famous NOW-ish, how much longer are they going to remain famous? ie. now that the NET (such as Youtube, Facebook) is in full swing. 20 years back, the NET was just getting started....



Isn't it impossible to answer? Like, how can we say that Ariana Grande, for example, will still be around in 15-20 years? We won't know until that time. The questions you're asking are impossible to answer right now. But I think jaawwnn has come as close as anyone could to provide an adequate answer by using the previous generation's pop stars as examples.

Also, the pop charts haven't changed all that much. The majority of popular music has always been bad. Sometimes people look back at the pop charts in the 80s and think of Michael Jackson, Prince, Springsteen etc and think that ALL music was of that quality. It wasn't. Most of it was shit. For every Prince there were 20 Jermaine Stewarts. Flash in the pan pop stars who are long since forgotten. It hasn't changed much. Some will be remembered. Most will not.
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Reply #12 posted 09/15/20 3:45pm

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jaawwnn said:

I'd be more of the opinion that they last longer. Kanye, Pharrell, Beyonce, Eminem, ... all famous for 20 years or so and still releasing number 1 albums. How many people with number 1s in the 60s were still releasing number 1s in the 80s and 90s? There's always been plenty of people who were only briefly famous.

These names all became famous before the social media era... and all sold records when people were still buying CDs...

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Reply #13 posted 09/15/20 3:48pm

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EmmaMcG said:

domainator2010 said:


No, I meant - people who became famous NOW-ish, how much longer are they going to remain famous? ie. now that the NET (such as Youtube, Facebook) is in full swing. 20 years back, the NET was just getting started....

Isn't it impossible to answer? Like, how can we say that Ariana Grande, for example, will still be around in 15-20 years? We won't know until that time. The questions you're asking are impossible to answer right now. But I think jaawwnn has come as close as anyone could to provide an adequate answer by using the previous generation's pop stars as examples.

What about say a Katy Perry or Lady Gaga? People know the names still, but I'd argue unless you're a devout stan it's pretty difficult to name a recent "hit song," for either of them.... and both were quite massive specifically for their music at one point.

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Reply #14 posted 09/15/20 11:55pm

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EmmaMcG said:

domainator2010 said:

Come on, I like a lot of Ed Sheeran songs smile

Did you see that movie Yesterday?

Yes, I seen it. And as someone who hates 99% of The Beatles output, that movie was like pure torture to me.

So what's the one song you like from the Beatles?

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Reply #15 posted 09/16/20 1:53am

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WhisperingDandelions said:



EmmaMcG said:


domainator2010 said:



No, I meant - people who became famous NOW-ish, how much longer are they going to remain famous? ie. now that the NET (such as Youtube, Facebook) is in full swing. 20 years back, the NET was just getting started....



Isn't it impossible to answer? Like, how can we say that Ariana Grande, for example, will still be around in 15-20 years? We won't know until that time. The questions you're asking are impossible to answer right now. But I think jaawwnn has come as close as anyone could to provide an adequate answer by using the previous generation's pop stars as examples.

What about say a Katy Perry or Lady Gaga? People know the names still, but I'd argue unless you're a devout stan it's pretty difficult to name a recent "hit song," for either of them.... and both were quite massive specifically for their music at one point.



I wouldn't be the best person to ask. I would struggle to name more than 5 songs for both of them combined over their entire career. But I'm sure they're still selling quite well. But even with my limited knowledge of the pop charts, I know that Lady Gaga had some big hits with songs from A Star Is Born and she has a new song out with Ariana Grande. I've never heard it nor do I know what it's called but I know it exists.

A lot of people tend to confuse their own knowledge of things with that of the general public. Just because you don't know their recent songs doesn't necessarily mean that most other people don't.
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Reply #16 posted 09/16/20 1:56am

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kpowers said:



EmmaMcG said:


domainator2010 said:

Come on, I like a lot of Ed Sheeran songs smile

Did you see that movie Yesterday?



Yes, I seen it. And as someone who hates 99% of The Beatles output, that movie was like pure torture to me.

So what's the one song you like from the Beatles?



I actually can't think of any off the top of my head but it's likely that I like at least one of their songs. There are very few artists who I have a 100% dislike rate for. So I give The Beatles the benefit of the doubt. I do like a few John Lennon songs.
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Reply #17 posted 09/16/20 9:21am

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Stars spend most of their lives as main sequence stars fusing hydrogen to helium in their centres.

The Sun is halfway through its life as a main sequence star and will swell up to form a red giant star in around 4.5 billion years.

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Reply #18 posted 09/16/20 9:33am

onlyforaminute

^ HA!

I'm having trouble with a list of folks on top spanning 10 years. There's some that rose to fame beginning 2009-2010 that are still applauded I guess. I was thinking this about actors who are the Streeps the Pacinos the DeNiros. Gosling was the hype a few years ago and then poof no so ...
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Reply #19 posted 09/16/20 10:28am

domainator2010

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Isn't it impossible to answer?


Let me take a crack - when it switched from Prince to *Saweetie* and Lil Punk, or whatever they're called, I WISH it was gone in 2 days lol , and it probably WILL be, too, cuz a lot of people agree with me. Good God, there's a million of them - I mean, have you heard Saweetie? Not to mention that today's charts are about 80% algorithmic (as I've said often) - what you're hearing is "one snatch of melody" together with the output of a COMPUTER PROGRAM - the software geezers, not content with making Facebook and Youtube, decided to make the actual MUSIC as well! Good God, it's the end of the world! Come on, don't just say "it's impossible to answer" and throw your hands up, you're a musician yourself? Youtube's Upload button has no curation built into it, like a conventional tape or CD has (OR for that matter an MP3 - nothing wrong by itself!), so (obviously) we get a 100 million pieces of SHIT! The ending of "the record company" should have been a GOOD thing, the blooming of a 100 million good pieces of art that wouldn't have reached their audience before, - That's Not What Today's Kids Did. sad

I don't know what the future holds. I just wish things weren't this way. I mean, how long can you listen to your old tapes? confused

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Reply #20 posted 09/16/20 10:28am

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EmmaMcG said:


Isn't it impossible to answer?


Let me take a crack - when it switched from Prince to *Saweetie* and Lil Punk, or whatever they're called, I WISH it was gone in 2 days lol , and it probably WILL be, too, cuz a lot of people agree with me. Good God, there's a million of them - I mean, have you heard Saweetie? Not to mention that today's charts are about 80% algorithmic (as I've said often) - what you're hearing is "one snatch of melody" together with the output of a COMPUTER PROGRAM - the software geezers, not content with making Facebook and Youtube, decided to make the actual MUSIC as well! Good God, it's the end of the world! Come on, don't just say "it's impossible to answer" and throw your hands up, you're a musician yourself? Youtube's Upload button has no curation built into it, like a conventional tape or CD has (OR for that matter an MP3 - nothing wrong by itself!), so (obviously) we get a 100 million pieces of SHIT! The ending of "the record company" should have been a GOOD thing, the blooming of a 100 million good pieces of art that wouldn't have reached their audience before, - That's Not What Today's Kids Did. sad

I don't know what the future holds. I just wish things weren't this way. I mean, how long can you listen to your old tapes? confused

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onlyforaminute said:

^ HA! I'm having trouble with a list of folks on top spanning 10 years. There's some that rose to fame beginning 2009-2010 that are still applauded I guess. I was thinking this about actors who are the Streeps the Pacinos the DeNiros. Gosling was the hype a few years ago and then poof no so ...

I think few if any newer actors really sell movies/TV shows like the ones from earlier generations. It's mostly brands that make a lot of money like Marvel, DC, Mission Impossible, Disney live action remakes, Pixar, James Bond, Star Wars, etc.

Many stars today come from reality shows & Youtube. They don't really make music, dance, or act. They're the offspring of someone like Zsa Zsa Gabor, who was mainly famous for nothing although she was an actress. The Kardashian family became really rich because of this. The Osbourne's MTV show resurrected Ozzy's career, gave him a new audience and Sharon became the host of the daytime talk show The Talk. Kelly Osbourne got a record deal and Jack has his own show. People talk about whoever is on The Bachelor and The Real Housewives Of Whereverville. Kevin Hart even had a parody show Real Husbands Of Hollywood. Cardi B came from a reality show (Love & Hip Hop). Jennifer Hudson & Adam Lambert came from American Idol. Some people know Lionel Richie as Nicole's dad.

For 65 years straight, the #1 genre in music, selling wise, was rock n' roll worldwide. Last year (2017) in June, it got de-crowned by hip hop. Hip hop is the #1 genre. It's hip hop - rock - country - pop or pop - country. ~ Pras
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Reply #22 posted 09/16/20 11:17am

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There's also the case that hip hop is the #1 genre now. Unlike earlier music, rap songs really only fit the original artist. They don't get covered like Yesterday, Johnny B. Goode, I Heard It Through The Grapevine, or Rudolph The Red Nosed Reindeer. I've heard smooth jazz versions of rap hits and even versions by classical orchestras, but hip hop songs don't become standards. There's unlikely going to be a Rod Stewart Great American Hip Hop Rhymes Songbook. lol

For 65 years straight, the #1 genre in music, selling wise, was rock n' roll worldwide. Last year (2017) in June, it got de-crowned by hip hop. Hip hop is the #1 genre. It's hip hop - rock - country - pop or pop - country. ~ Pras
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Reply #23 posted 09/16/20 11:36am

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domainator2010 said:



EmmaMcG said:



Isn't it impossible to answer?


Let me take a crack - when it switched from Prince to *Saweetie* and Lil Punk, or whatever they're called, I WISH it was gone in 2 days lol , and it probably WILL be, too, cuz a lot of people agree with me. Good God, there's a million of them - I mean, have you heard Saweetie? Not to mention that today's charts are about 80% algorithmic (as I've said often) - what you're hearing is "one snatch of melody" together with the output of a COMPUTER PROGRAM - the software geezers, not content with making Facebook and Youtube, decided to make the actual MUSIC as well! Good God, it's the end of the world! Come on, don't just say "it's impossible to answer" and throw your hands up, you're a musician yourself? Youtube's Upload button has no curation built into it, like a conventional tape or CD has (OR for that matter an MP3 - nothing wrong by itself!), so (obviously) we get a 100 million pieces of SHIT! The ending of "the record company" should have been a GOOD thing, the blooming of a 100 million good pieces of art that wouldn't have reached their audience before, - That's Not What Today's Kids Did. sad

I don't know what the future holds. I just wish things weren't this way. I mean, how long can you listen to your old tapes? confused



Like I said though, pop music has always been crap for the most part. If you want great modern music, you have to look outside the charts. Artists like Mayer Hawthorne, Tuxedo, Chromeo, The Chromatics, Dam-Funk, XL Middleton, Boulevards, Gaslight Anthem, Janelle Monae, Donald Glover and Ekkah. You won't typically find them in the pop charts but they're all relatively new artists who are super talented and better than the majority of any era's chart toppers. Great music still exists. You just need to look for it. And I'd argue that with the Advent of the internet, it's never been easier to find.
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Reply #24 posted 09/16/20 1:34pm

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MickyDolenz said:

There's also the case that hip hop is the #1 genre now. Unlike earlier music, rap songs really only fit the original artist. They don't get covered like Yesterday, Johnny B. Goode, I Heard It Through The Grapevine, or Rudolph The Red Nosed Reindeer. I've heard smooth jazz versions of rap hits and even versions by classical orchestras, but hip hop songs don't become standards. There's unlikely going to be a Rod Stewart Great American Hip Hop Rhymes Songbook. lol





Interesting you say that since corps are people now maybe that it, it's not about the individual anymore.
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Reply #25 posted 09/16/20 5:21pm

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onlyforaminute said:

Interesting you say that since corps are people now maybe that it, it's not about the individual anymore.

I think technology also changed the old idea of a movie star or music star. There was less competition in the past for entertainment, maybe board games. The 1980s was the rise of VCRs, cable TV & video games. Before that, you could only see a theatrical movie at the movies. Some older movies might be shown on local TV stations such as Elvis Presley week or Jimmy Stewart week. There were only 3 networks, plus PBS and a few local channels on the UHF dial. TV networks had their own movies like ABC Movie Of The Week. There was no MTV showing music performers 24 hours a day. Music acts could only be seen on shows like Soul Train, American Bandstand, Shindig, Midnight Special, Hee Haw, Solid Gold, etc. These programs only came on once a week and were 30 minutes to a hour long. People listened to radio stations that had similar playlists, now people choose what they want to hear with Youtube. Unless you bought the records, people only listening to the radio might not even know what the singers/bands looked like. Cable TV and later satellite & streaming platforms like Netflix had to fill hundreds of channels with something. So audiences became fragmented & segregated. It isn't most of the TV audience in USA watching the same programs like Gunsmoke, Columbo, or The Cosby Show. You also had to watch those programs live, you couldn't DVR it and watch them later and fast forward through the commercials. People can watch a channel that interests them like The Fishing Channel or something. Didn't have that in the 3 network days. News also changed, the older newspeople didn't really talk about celebrities. I think that the general public did not know much about the older stars, it was kind of like a "them & us". Social media & internet sites like Lipstick Alley killed that. There was no TMZ for the Rat Pack era. There was the National Inquirer which most people did not buy or read. I think society changing killed the old idea of a star too like with cancel culture. It's also not passive. If you listen to the radio, yhat's all there is to it, but with Youtube people leave comments on the songs good ones or trolling comments.

For 65 years straight, the #1 genre in music, selling wise, was rock n' roll worldwide. Last year (2017) in June, it got de-crowned by hip hop. Hip hop is the #1 genre. It's hip hop - rock - country - pop or pop - country. ~ Pras
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Reply #26 posted 09/17/20 7:40am

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EmmaMcG said:

And I'd argue that with the Advent of the internet, it's never been easier to find.


And I'm very curious - how did you find these? Is there a way to type "GOOD music" into Google, and have it understand the word GOOD or something? lol

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domainator2010 said:



EmmaMcG said:


And I'd argue that with the Advent of the internet, it's never been easier to find.


And I'm very curious - how did you find these? Is there a way to type "GOOD music" into Google, and have it understand the word GOOD or something? lol



Well some of the artists I named are actually friends of mine but those that aren't, I found online. Some of them were recommendations from other orgers. I found some on YouTube. Quite a few good recommendations from Spotify too.
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EmmaMcG said:

kpowers said:

So what's the one song you like from the Beatles?

I actually can't think of any off the top of my head but it's likely that I like at least one of their songs. There are very few artists who I have a 100% dislike rate for. So I give The Beatles the benefit of the doubt. I do like a few John Lennon songs.

B29745 - John Lennon & Yoko Ono 1980 Double Fantasy Promotional Poster  (USA) - Tracks

Well the 80's started off great with John Lennon's album Double Fantasy (Well except for the Yoko songs). Imagine (no pun intended) all the great music that could have been made during the 80's by John Lennon sad

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Reply #29 posted 09/17/20 10:05am

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EmmaMcG said:

domainator2010 said:


No, I meant - people who became famous NOW-ish, how much longer are they going to remain famous? ie. now that the NET (such as Youtube, Facebook) is in full swing. 20 years back, the NET was just getting started....

Isn't it impossible to answer? Like, how can we say that Ariana Grande, for example, will still be around in 15-20 years? We won't know until that time. The questions you're asking are impossible to answer right now. But I think jaawwnn has come as close as anyone could to provide an adequate answer by using the previous generation's pop stars as examples. Also, the pop charts haven't changed all that much. The majority of popular music has always been bad. Sometimes people look back at the pop charts in the 80s and think of Michael Jackson, Prince, Springsteen etc and think that ALL music was of that quality. It wasn't. Most of it was shit. For every Prince there were 20 Jermaine Stewarts. Flash in the pan pop stars who are long since forgotten. It hasn't changed much. Some will be remembered. Most will not.

Jermaine Stewart - We Don't Have To Take Our Clothes Off GIF | Gfycat

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