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Helicopter on Mars. Ingenuity, a JPL project.

Ingenuity: A man's decades-long quest to fly a helicopter on Mars
NASA is about to fly a rotorcraft on another planet for the first time. And for the engineers who built the Mars Ingenuity helicopter, it's a Wright brothers moment.
https://astronomy.com/new...er-on-mars

And now, that dream is on the verge of being fulfilled. On July 22, NASA plans to launch its Mars Perseverance rover. But there's also a robotic hitchhiker onboard. This small, solar-powered helicopter, named Ingenuity, is on mission totally independent from the rover. While Perseverance searches for signs of alien life, Ingenuity will prove it's possible to fly in Mars' thin atmosphere. The data it gathers will help engineers build even larger helicopter drones for the Red Planet. And if it works, the long-term impact could be a game-changer for Mars exploration.

July 22? Well...per NASA

https://mars.nasa.gov/mars2020/

Tech Demo: The Mars Helicopter is a technology demonstration, hitching a ride on the Perseverance rover.
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Reply #1 posted 07/31/20 5:19am

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onlyforaminute said:

Ingenuity: A man's decades-long quest to fly a helicopter on Mars NASA is about to fly a rotorcraft on another planet for the first time. And for the engineers who built the Mars Ingenuity helicopter, it's a Wright brothers moment. https://astronomy.com/new...er-on-mars And now, that dream is on the verge of being fulfilled. On July 22, NASA plans to launch its Mars Perseverance rover. But there's also a robotic hitchhiker onboard. This small, solar-powered helicopter, named Ingenuity, is on mission totally independent from the rover. While Perseverance searches for signs of alien life, Ingenuity will prove it's possible to fly in Mars' thin atmosphere. The data it gathers will help engineers build even larger helicopter drones for the Red Planet. And if it works, the long-term impact could be a game-changer for Mars exploration. July 22? Well...per NASA https://mars.nasa.gov/mars2020/ Tech Demo: The Mars Helicopter is a technology demonstration, hitching a ride on the Perseverance rover.


This is going to be amazing! The aerial shots they will get and the data! woot!

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It'll be step one of greater things. Wish I could rush this stuff. I wanna see and experience it when it's peaking not in another 40 years.
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It's long gone.


NASA's Ingenuity Mars Helicopter will travel with the Perseverance rover through 314 million miles (505 million kilometers) of interplanetary space to get to Mars. But for the team working on the first experimental flight test on another planet, engineering the final 5 inches (13 centimeters) of the journey has been among the most challenging of all. To safely navigate those 5 inches - the distance Ingenuity will travel from where it's stowed on the rover to the surface of Mars - they came up with the ingenious Mars Helicopter Delivery System.

"Ingenuity is unlike any other helicopter ever built because powered controlled flight at Mars is unlike anything ever attempted," said MiMi Aung, project manager of the Mars Helicopter at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Southern California. "And then we had to figure out how to hitch a ride and safely get deployed from the Mars 2020 Perseverance rover."

Ingenuity will be deployed about two months after Perseverance lands on Feb. 18, 2021. During early surface operations, both the rover and helicopter teams will be on the lookout for potential airfields - a 33-by-33-foot (10-by-10-meter) patch of Martian real estate that is comparatively flat, level, obstruction-free and viewable by Perseverance when the rover is parked about a football field away.

On around the 60th Martian day, or sol, of the mission, Perseverance will drop the Mars Helicopter Delivery System's graphite composite debris shield that protected the helicopter during landing. Then it will drive into the center of the chosen airfield. About six days later, after the helicopter and rover teams are satisfied everything is go, they'll command Mars Helicopter Delivery System to do its thing.

The deployment process begins with the release of a locking mechanism that keeps the helicopter in place. Then a cable-cutting pyrotechnic device fires, allowing a spring-loaded arm that holds the helicopter to begin rotating Ingenuity out of its horizontal position. Along the way, a small electric motor will pull the arm until it latches, bringing the helicopter body completely vertical with two of its spring-loaded landing legs deployed. Another pyrotechnic fires, releasing the other legs.

"And all the while, the deployment system has to maintain electrical and data cable connections between rover and helicopter until it's ready to drop," said David Buecher, deployment system manager at Lockheed Martin Space in Denver, which built the system. "While I have worked on my fair share of space-based deployment systems, this one was on another level."

If all goes well, mission controllers will command the delivery system to release, and Ingenuity will cover those last 5 inches. Once a good drop is confirmed, Perseverance will be commanded to drive away so the helicopter can begin recharging its batteries with its solar panel. At that point, the 30-sol clock on Ingenuity's flight test program begins.

The Ingenuity Mars Helicopter is an experimental flight test of new technology. Future Mars missions could enlist second-generation helicopters to add an aerial dimension to their explorations. They could act as scouts for human crews, carry small payloads or investigate cliffs, caves, deep craters and other unvisited or difficult-to-reach destinations. But before any of that happens, a test vehicle has to prove it's possible.
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It'll be a very, very long time before humans land on Mars....not only do crews have to be protected from space radiation (during the long journey), since Mars has no protective magnetosphere, the surface is exposed to more radiation than Earth. Outer space is no joke.

https://phys.org/news/2016-11-bad-mars.html

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uPtoWnNY said:

It'll be a very, very long time before humans land on Mars....not only do crews have to be protected from space radiation (during the long journey), since Mars has no protective magnetosphere, the surface is exposed to more radiation than Earth. Outer space is no joke.



https://phys.org/news/2016-11-bad-mars.html




The current trajectory per NASA is somewhere in the 2030s.

NASA is preparing to send the first woman and next man to the Moon, part of a larger strategy to send the first astronauts to the surface of Mars. But before they get there, they'll be faced with a critical question: What should they wear on Mars, where the thin atmosphere allows more radiation from the Sun and cosmic rays to reach the ground?

Amy Ross is looking for answers. An advanced spacesuit designer at NASA's Johnson Space Center in Houston, she's developing new suits for the Moon and Mars. So Ross is eagerly awaiting this summer's launch of the Perseverance Mars rover, which will carry the first samples of spacesuit material ever sent to the Red Planet.
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onlyforaminute said:

uPtoWnNY said:

It'll be a very, very long time before humans land on Mars....not only do crews have to be protected from space radiation (during the long journey), since Mars has no protective magnetosphere, the surface is exposed to more radiation than Earth. Outer space is no joke.

https://phys.org/news/2016-11-bad-mars.html

The current trajectory per NASA is somewhere in the 2030s. NASA is preparing to send the first woman and next man to the Moon, part of a larger strategy to send the first astronauts to the surface of Mars. But before they get there, they'll be faced with a critical question: What should they wear on Mars, where the thin atmosphere allows more radiation from the Sun and cosmic rays to reach the ground? Amy Ross is looking for answers. An advanced spacesuit designer at NASA's Johnson Space Center in Houston, she's developing new suits for the Moon and Mars. So Ross is eagerly awaiting this summer's launch of the Perseverance Mars rover, which will carry the first samples of spacesuit material ever sent to the Red Planet.

The 5 Biggest Risks (the trip to Mars is dangerous, too):

https://www.space.com/42918-big-space-risks-mars-astronauts-videos.html

It's not like Star Trek, lol.

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uPtoWnNY said:



onlyforaminute said:


uPtoWnNY said:

It'll be a very, very long time before humans land on Mars....not only do crews have to be protected from space radiation (during the long journey), since Mars has no protective magnetosphere, the surface is exposed to more radiation than Earth. Outer space is no joke.



https://phys.org/news/2016-11-bad-mars.html



The current trajectory per NASA is somewhere in the 2030s. NASA is preparing to send the first woman and next man to the Moon, part of a larger strategy to send the first astronauts to the surface of Mars. But before they get there, they'll be faced with a critical question: What should they wear on Mars, where the thin atmosphere allows more radiation from the Sun and cosmic rays to reach the ground? Amy Ross is looking for answers. An advanced spacesuit designer at NASA's Johnson Space Center in Houston, she's developing new suits for the Moon and Mars. So Ross is eagerly awaiting this summer's launch of the Perseverance Mars rover, which will carry the first samples of spacesuit material ever sent to the Red Planet.


The 5 Biggest Risks (the trip to Mars is dangerous, too):



https://www.space.com/42918-big-space-risks-mars-astronauts-videos.html




It's not like Star Trek, lol.

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You think these folks sending these things out there don't know all this stuff? I'm not posting stuff from Live Science. I'm confused on what's trying to be said. I'm more than aware this isn't Star Trek. I'm more into The Expanse these days. Funny even Roddenberry knew enough to know that humans would need alien help in order to move out of the solar system. The estimate is 1,500 years for us to figure it out on our own .BUT within our own solar system there's no excuse. We're capable.
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onlyforaminute said:

uPtoWnNY said:

The 5 Biggest Risks (the trip to Mars is dangerous, too):

https://www.space.com/42918-big-space-risks-mars-astronauts-videos.html

It's not like Star Trek, lol.

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You think these folks sending these things out there don't know all this stuff? I'm not posting stuff from Live Science. I'm confused on what's trying to be said. I'm more than aware this isn't Star Trek. I'm more into The Expanse these days. Funny even Roddenberry knew enough to know that humans would need alien help in order to move out of the solar system. The estimate is 1,500 years for us to figure it out on our own .BUT within our own solar system there's no excuse. We're capable. [Edited 8/3/20 14:52pm]


I mean, come on - look at The Jetson's ! lol

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DiminutiveRocker said:



onlyforaminute said:


uPtoWnNY said:



The 5 Biggest Risks (the trip to Mars is dangerous, too):



https://www.space.com/42918-big-space-risks-mars-astronauts-videos.html




It's not like Star Trek, lol.


[Edited 8/3/20 14:14pm]



You think these folks sending these things out there don't know all this stuff? I'm not posting stuff from Live Science. I'm confused on what's trying to be said. I'm more than aware this isn't Star Trek. I'm more into The Expanse these days. Funny even Roddenberry knew enough to know that humans would need alien help in order to move out of the solar system. The estimate is 1,500 years for us to figure it out on our own .BUT within our own solar system there's no excuse. We're capable. [Edited 8/3/20 14:52pm]


I mean, come on - look at The Jetson's ! lol



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onlyforaminute said:

DiminutiveRocker said:


I mean, come on - look at The Jetson's ! lol

Look at you, you got jokes.

Just figured if Star Trek was thrown about so should The Jetson's. lol

If we all stop and think about the progress that has been made with regard to the machinery, scientific technology and advancements with regard to Astronomy we would never have believed any of what has been accomplished was even possible 60 years ago. I mean, there was a time not so long ago when passenger jets were a huge inovation, now we take mass air travel for granted.

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DiminutiveRocker said:



onlyforaminute said:


DiminutiveRocker said:



I mean, come on - look at The Jetson's ! lol



Look at you, you got jokes.


Just figured if Star Trek was thrown about so should The Jetson's. lol

If we all stop and think about the progress that has been made with regard to the machinery, scientific technology and advancements with regard to Astronomy we would never have believed any of what has been accomplished was even possible 60 years ago. I mean, there was a time not so long ago when passenger jets were a huge inovation, now we take mass air travel for granted.



Ha! I'm just trying to roll with it. And true. There's so much going on right now. I find it exciting and a bit of a rush. My list of thrills is shrinking a lot these days but I've got the universe.
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Reply #12 posted 08/03/20 5:58pm

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Would be cool if someone made it to mars in this lifetime
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alphastreet said:

Would be cool if someone made it to mars in this lifetime



nod Indeed.

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Would be cool if someone made it to mars in this lifetime



Heavy focus is on the Moon right now.



Artemis, twin sister of Apollo

Anyway...

A new space station except it'll be for the Moon.

The Gateway will be an outpost orbiting the Moon that provides vital support for a sustainable, long-term human return to the lunar surface, as well as a staging point for deep space exploration. It is a critical component of NASA’s Artemis program.

In March 2020, NASA awarded SpaceX as the first U.S. commercial provider under the Gateway Logistics Services contract to deliver cargo and other supplies to the lunar outpost.

With dozens of planned robotic and human missions to the Moon as part of the Artemis
program, NASA and its partners are designing Mars-forward technologies for the Moon in the
2020s to ensure smarter, safer human missions to Mars as early as the 2030s.
https://www.nasa.gov/site...r-mars.pdf



Easier to go into deep space using the Moon for launching and landing.
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Forget Mars, what about Saturn's moon Titan? It has more hydrocarbon liquid than Earth's gas & oil reserves. Imagine if humans were able to mine that?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colonization_of_Titan

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uPtoWnNY said:

Forget Mars, what about Saturn's moon Titan? It has more hydrocarbon liquid than Earth's gas & oil reserves. Imagine if humans were able to mine that?



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colonization_of_Titan




A whole lotta things are possible. Right now though I think we'd like to survive for more than 72 minutes, it's frikkin cold there.

The Huygens probe successfully landed on Saturn's largest moon Titan at about 11:30 UTC on January 14, 2005. The descent lasted two hours and 27 minutes. The probe survived another 72 minutes on the surface of Titan. This was the first - and, so far, the only - landing in the outer solar system. Huygens holds the record as the most distant landing from Earth. Image credit: ESA -


C. Carreau


Dragonfly will launch in 2026 and arrive in 2034. The rotorcraft will fly to dozens of promising locations on Titan looking for prebiotic chemical processes common on both Titan and Earth. Dragonfly marks the first time NASA will fly a multi-rotor vehicle for science on another planet; it has eight rotors and flies like a large drone. It will take advantage of Titan’s dense atmosphere – four times denser than Earth’s – to become the first vehicle ever to fly its entire science payload to new places for repeatable and targeted access to surface materials.
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Reply #17 posted 08/11/20 11:12am

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LOL...Mars?...theyve never even been to the moon

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DAWN 😁 did us proud. "Sea"water on Ceres.

Ceres is the largest object in the asteroid belt between Mars and Jupiter, massive enough to be shaped by its gravity, enabling the Nasa Dawn spacecraft to capture high-resolution images of its surface.

Now a team of scientists from the United States and Europe have analysed images relayed from the orbiter, captured about 35km (22 miles) from the asteroid.

Using infrared imaging, one team discovered the presence of the compound hydrohalite – a material common in sea ice but which until now had never been observed beyond Earth.

Maria Cristina De Sanctis, from Rome’s Istituto Nazionale di Astrofisica said hydrohalite was a clear sign Ceres used to have sea water.
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