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Reply #120 posted 03/24/20 2:51am

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Apparently it's just eBook right now until April, which is upsetting because I'm going to need some time to douse all the pages down with isopropyl alcohol and/or disinfectant..... hm maybe it is finally the era and age to just eBook it.


lol


It's available in hardcover, but Amazon's currently sold out of those. I got the Kindle version, for now.

WoodyAllenPages makes it sound like it was never available in hardcover (yet):

http://www.woodyallenpages.com/2020/03/apropos-of-nothing-woody-allens-autobiography-is-out-now-in-the-us-canada-us-and-more/

The book is available as an eBook right now in the US, UK, Australia and parts of Europe (as an English edition, except in Italy). The hardcover version in the US and Canada is listed as out of stock, but will be released closer to the announced 7 April street date.

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Reply #121 posted 03/24/20 6:24am

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Ace said:




WhisperingDandelions said:


Apparently it's just eBook right now until April, which is upsetting because I'm going to need some time to douse all the pages down with isopropyl alcohol and/or disinfectant..... hm maybe it is finally the era and age to just eBook it.




lol



It's available in hardcover, but Amazon's currently sold out of those. I got the Kindle version, for now.



WoodyAllenPages makes it sound like it was never available in hardcover (yet):


http://www.woodyallenpages.com/2020/03/apropos-of-nothing-woody-allens-autobiography-is-out-now-in-the-us-canada-us-and-more/


The book is available as an eBook right now in the US, UK, Australia and parts of Europe (as an English edition, except in Italy). The hardcover version in the US and Canada is listed as out of stock, but will be released closer to the announced 7 April street date.


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Reply #122 posted 03/27/20 2:43pm

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Woody Allen Memoir Addresses the Lack of Black Actors in His Films

Woody Allen Photo: Sundholm Magnus/Action Press/Shutterstock

In Woody Allen’s new memoir, Apropos of Nothing, the director addresses one of the loudest critiques of his work: His movies rarely — if ever — include black characters. Sure, his movies haven’t featured prominent roles for black actors, he writes in the 400-page tome, but he’s publicly been an ally, he says: Allen recalls marching with Martin Luther King Jr., donating to the ACLU, and that he “said publicly in the 1960s that [he] was in favor of African-Americans achieving their goals by any means necessary.” Allen previously addressed the fundamental whiteness of his movies in a 2014 interview with the New York Observer: “The implication is that I’m deliberately not hiring black actors, which is stupid,” he said at the time. “I cast only what’s right for the part. Race, friendship means nothing to me except who is right for the part.” Here’s the full passage from his new book:

I’ve taken some criticism over the years that I didn’t use African-Americans in my movies. And while affirmative action can be a fine solution in many instances, it does not work when it comes to casting. I always cast the person who fits the part most believably in my mind’s eye. When it comes to the politics of race, I have always been a typical liberal and sometimes maybe even radical. I marched in Washington with Martin Luther King, donated heavily to the ACLU when they needed extra to push the Voting Rights Act, named my children after my African-American heroes and said publicly in the 1960s that I was in favor of African-Americans achieving their goals by any means necessary. Anyhow, when it comes to casting, I do not go by politics but by what feels dramatically correct to me.

Apropos of Nothing also tracks Allen’s lifelong appreciation for black music and black art: As a child, he says, he “was a wannabe comic, wannabe magician, wannabe baseball player, and wannabe African-American jazz musician.” (He particularly admired the “primitive” New Orleans jazz musicians Bunk Johnson, Jelly Roll Morton, Louis Armstrong, and Sidney Bechet.) As for naming his children after his “African-American heroes,” Allen says investigative journalist Ronan Farrow was originally named Satchel. Allen says the name came from his admiration for Satchel Paige.

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Reply #123 posted 03/27/20 8:52pm

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How embarassing. Did he really say "primitive"?

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Reply #124 posted 03/28/20 8:39am

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How embarassing. Did he really say "primitive"?


No. This is a blatant mischaracterization of what he says. The passage they're referring to (from another part of the book) is:

We listened to all kinds of jazz, but our favorites were the primitive New Orleans records. Bunk Johnson, Jelly Roll Morton, Louis Armstrong, and of course Sidney Bechet, whom I worshipped and modeled my playing after (and if that doesn’t give you a laugh, nothing will). I sat in my bedroom alone playing along to Bechet and later with George Lewis recordings. He was another idol of mine; with him and Johnny Dodds, yet another clarinet genius, I felt I had finally found myself. The pleasure was so intense I decided I would devote my life to jazz. Little did I realize that Bechet, Armstrong, George Lewis, Johnny Dodds, Jelly Roll Morton, and Jimmie Noone were musical geniuses. Their idiom was primitive, but within the parameters of New Orleans jazz, they had something truly magical inside them that oozed out of every note they blew."

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Reply #125 posted 03/28/20 9:04am

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Woody Allen Memoir Addresses the Lack of Black Actors in His Films

Woody Allen Photo: Sundholm Magnus/Action Press/Shutterstock

In Woody Allen’s new memoir, Apropos of Nothing, the director addresses one of the loudest critiques of his work: His movies rarely — if ever — include black characters. Sure, his movies haven’t featured prominent roles for black actors, he writes in the 400-page tome, but he’s publicly been an ally, he says: Allen recalls marching with Martin Luther King Jr., donating to the ACLU, and that he “said publicly in the 1960s that [he] was in favor of African-Americans achieving their goals by any means necessary.” Allen previously addressed the fundamental whiteness of his movies in a 2014 interview with the New York Observer: “The implication is that I’m deliberately not hiring black actors, which is stupid,” he said at the time. “I cast only what’s right for the part. Race, friendship means nothing to me except who is right for the part.” Here’s the full passage from his new book:


Not strictly true. Chiwetel Ejiofor plays a prominent, romantic role in Melinda and Melinda.

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Reply #126 posted 03/28/20 9:53am

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And how 'bout this bombshell from the book?:

Mia and I are both sitting before three experienced, professional investigators in (the Yale-New Haven Child Sexual Abuse Clinic). Mia insists I molested Dylan, claiming poor Dylan was so upset by the abuse that she instantly went running into the next room and into the arms of her sister Lark, who she would go to for comfort. Mia described in detail how Dylan embraced Lark, shaken by the experience, and poured her heart out to her sister, who calmed her. I, cagey fox that I was, listened carefully to Mia dramatize the story to the investigators, and waited to play my ace. I said, “You’re telling me Dylan was so traumatized she fled weeping into the embrace of Lark?” Mia stood her ground, rubbing in the child’s need for succor by her older sibling. “Why do you ask?” the investigators queried me. “Because,” I said, rising like Lincoln ready to do his bit about no full moon, just a waning moon that night. “Because,” I explained, “Lark was not in Connecticut when you alleged that happened. She was in New York, so how could Dylan have run and embraced her?” An awkward silence filled the air and Mia, scrambling for a reply and thinking on her feet, says, “I know Lark was in New York at the time but Dylan embraced her spiritually.” This was the kind of tap dancing I was up against, and while it may have played to Judge Wilk and Mia’s base, it did not fool the investigators.

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Reply #127 posted 03/28/20 4:29pm

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poppys said:

How embarassing. Did he really say "primitive"?


No. This is a blatant mischaracterization of what he says. The passage they're referring to (from another part of the book) is:

We listened to all kinds of jazz, but our favorites were the primitive New Orleans records. Bunk Johnson, Jelly Roll Morton, Louis Armstrong, and of course Sidney Bechet, whom I worshipped and modeled my playing after (and if that doesn’t give you a laugh, nothing will). I sat in my bedroom alone playing along to Bechet and later with George Lewis recordings. He was another idol of mine; with him and Johnny Dodds, yet another clarinet genius, I felt I had finally found myself. The pleasure was so intense I decided I would devote my life to jazz. Little did I realize that Bechet, Armstrong, George Lewis, Johnny Dodds, Jelly Roll Morton, and Jimmie Noone were musical geniuses. Their idiom was primitive, but within the parameters of New Orleans jazz, they had something truly magical inside them that oozed out of every note they blew."

They really did misquote/misconstrue the hell out of that. The records are primitive... I mean, all records and recordings from that era are.... he's not characterizing the players or their playing, more the means with which they were documented.

I still think it's weird semantics of black actors "not being right for the part," but the dude does worship a ton of black art.... any NBA references in there? Dude goes to more Knicks games than Spike Lee. It was a prominent theme of that documentary a couple years back. Woody requires all film shooting to be over promptly at 6pm sharp so he doesn't miss tip-off, according to many of his actors and actresses.

[Edited 3/28/20 20:15pm]

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Reply #128 posted 03/28/20 8:31pm

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Ace said:

They really did misquote/misconstrue the hell out of that. The records are primitive... I mean, all records and recordings from that era are.... he's not characterizing the players or their playing, more the means with which they were documented.

I still think it's weird semantics of black actors "not being right for the part," but the dude does worship a ton of black art.... any NBA references in there? Dude goes to more Knicks games than Spike Lee. It was a prominent theme of that documentary a couple years back. Woody requires all film shooting to be over promptly at 6pm sharp so he doesn't miss tip-off, according to many of his actors and actresses.

[Edited 3/28/20 20:15pm]


Yeah, man, that is a wilfull twisting of what he said - to try and make him look racist. That is some low, low shit, man. disbelief

Re: the NBA: So far, he's mentioned that Moses was named after Moses Malone.

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Reply #129 posted 03/31/20 9:13pm

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My book is orderd smile

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Reply #130 posted 04/02/20 9:18am

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so because Woody Allen likes jazz and basketball, he's not racist??...because he ALLEGEDLY named his children after black entertainers and athletes?...news flash...Moses and Satchel and Ronan are white, european names...not African names...if woody allen was so enamored with black culture, he wouldve at some point employed some black/brown/beige people ...simple as that...
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Reply #131 posted 04/02/20 9:29am

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RJOrion said:

so because Woody Allen likes jazz and basketball, he's not racist??...because he ALLEGEDLY named his children after black entertainers and athletes?...news flash...Moses and Satchel and Ronan are white, european names...not African names...if woody allen was so enamored with black culture, he wouldve at some point employed some black/brown/beige people ...simple as that...


Agree. That disclaimer is so awkward and embarassing. Shades of "Some of my best friends are black..."

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Reply #132 posted 04/02/20 2:30pm

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RJOrion said:

so because Woody Allen likes jazz and basketball, he's not racist??...because he ALLEGEDLY named his children after black entertainers and athletes?...news flash...Moses and Satchel and Ronan are white, european names...not African names...if woody allen was so enamored with black culture, he wouldve at some point employed some black/brown/beige people ...simple as that...

Oh so Woody's a racist too now, huh? Because cancel culture is too fucking drop-dead stupid to know when to stop. We don't like him, so he must be a molester.... oh and he must be racist too, because we don't like him.

Never let common sense and actual, you know, THOUGHTS, get in the way of a good character assassination, huh?

Laughing my ass off at this total bullshit.

People need to grow the fuck up. There's more important shit going on in the world right now.

My eyes are rolling so hard my head hurts.

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Reply #133 posted 04/02/20 2:55pm

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RJOrion said:


so because Woody Allen likes jazz and basketball, he's not racist??...because he ALLEGEDLY named his children after black entertainers and athletes?...news flash...Moses and Satchel and Ronan are white, european names...not African names...if woody allen was so enamored with black culture, he wouldve at some point employed some black/brown/beige people ...simple as that...



Oh so Woody's a racist too now, huh? Because cancel culture is too fucking drop-dead stupid to know when to stop. We don't like him, so he must be a molester.... oh and he must be racist too, because we don't like him.



Never let common sense and actual, you know, THOUGHTS, get in the way of a good character assassination, huh?



Laughing my ass off at this total bullshit.



People need to grow the fuck up. There's more important shit going on in the world right now.



My eyes are rolling so hard my head hurts.




LOL...maybe woody shouldve let those little girls grow the f up, before he started touching on them..
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Reply #134 posted 04/03/20 12:45pm

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Rimshottbob said:

RJOrion said:

so because Woody Allen likes jazz and basketball, he's not racist??...because he ALLEGEDLY named his children after black entertainers and athletes?...news flash...Moses and Satchel and Ronan are white, european names...not African names...if woody allen was so enamored with black culture, he wouldve at some point employed some black/brown/beige people ...simple as that...

Oh so Woody's a racist too now, huh? Because cancel culture is too fucking drop-dead stupid to know when to stop. We don't like him, so he must be a molester.... oh and he must be racist too, because we don't like him.

Never let common sense and actual, you know, THOUGHTS, get in the way of a good character assassination, huh?

Laughing my ass off at this total bullshit.

People need to grow the fuck up. There's more important shit going on in the world right now.

My eyes are rolling so hard my head hurts.


nod lol

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Reply #135 posted 04/03/20 12:46pm

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WhisperingDandelions said:

They really did misquote/misconstrue the hell out of that. The records are primitive... I mean, all records and recordings from that era are.... he's not characterizing the players or their playing, more the means with which they were documented.

I still think it's weird semantics of black actors "not being right for the part," but the dude does worship a ton of black art.... any NBA references in there? Dude goes to more Knicks games than Spike Lee. It was a prominent theme of that documentary a couple years back. Woody requires all film shooting to be over promptly at 6pm sharp so he doesn't miss tip-off, according to many of his actors and actresses.

[Edited 3/28/20 20:15pm]


Yeah, man, that is a wilfull twisting of what he said - to try and make him look racist. That is some low, low shit, man. disbelief

Re: the NBA: So far, he's mentioned that Moses was named after Moses Malone.



Yep!

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Reply #136 posted 04/03/20 1:12pm

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I did not say Allen is "a" racist. I agreed with RJ that his reasons given in the paragraph were lame as shit. Clearly not much thought went into that. Saying the Fathers of Jazz made primitive music is tone deaf. He could have easily used a modifier that isn't a racially loaded buzzword, he is a writer after all.

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Reply #137 posted 04/03/20 2:12pm

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And how 'bout this bombshell from the book?:

Mia and I are both sitting before three experienced, professional investigators in (the Yale-New Haven Child Sexual Abuse Clinic). Mia insists I molested Dylan, claiming poor Dylan was so upset by the abuse that she instantly went running into the next room and into the arms of her sister Lark, who she would go to for comfort. Mia described in detail how Dylan embraced Lark, shaken by the experience, and poured her heart out to her sister, who calmed her. I, cagey fox that I was, listened carefully to Mia dramatize the story to the investigators, and waited to play my ace. I said, “You’re telling me Dylan was so traumatized she fled weeping into the embrace of Lark?” Mia stood her ground, rubbing in the child’s need for succor by her older sibling. “Why do you ask?” the investigators queried me. “Because,” I said, rising like Lincoln ready to do his bit about no full moon, just a waning moon that night. “Because,” I explained, “Lark was not in Connecticut when you alleged that happened. She was in New York, so how could Dylan have run and embraced her?” An awkward silence filled the air and Mia, scrambling for a reply and thinking on her feet, says, “I know Lark was in New York at the time but Dylan embraced her spiritually.” This was the kind of tap dancing I was up against, and while it may have played to Judge Wilk and Mia’s base, it did not fool the investigators.


whoa eek

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