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Reply #60 posted 02/20/20 10:10am

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OldFriends4Sale said:

Pokeno4Money said:

1. Return of the Jedi

2. New Hope

The others were just meh compared to those two.

not the Empire Strikes Back?


No, I was kinda disappointed when I saw it in the theater.

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Reply #61 posted 02/20/20 12:09pm

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OldFriends4Sale said:

not the Empire Strikes Back?


No, I was kinda disappointed when I saw it in the theater.

WWHHAAATT? This is first lol

I'm reporting you to the star war community lol

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Reply #62 posted 02/20/20 12:43pm

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WWHHAAATT? This is first lol

I reporting you to the star war community lol


lol lol lol

I dunno, maybe it had too much sand. wink

This review by Vincent Canby probably sums up my feelings best:

“The Empire Strikes Back is not a truly terrible movie. It’s a nice movie. It’s not, by any means, as nice as Star Wars. It’s not as fresh and funny and surprising and witty, but it is nice and inoffensive and, in a way that no one associated with it need be ashamed of, it’s also silly. Attending to it is a lot like reading the middle of a comic book. It is amusing in fitful patches but you’re likely to find more beauty, suspense, discipline, craft and art when watching a New York harbor pilot bring the Queen Elizabeth 2 into her Hudson River berth, which is what The Empire Strikes Back most reminds me of. It’s a big, expensive, time-consuming, essentially mechanical operation. The Empire Strikes Back is about as personal as a Christmas card from a bank.”

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Reply #63 posted 02/20/20 12:48pm

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This review by Vincent Canby probably sums up my feelings best:

“The Empire Strikes Back is not a truly terrible movie. It’s a nice movie. It’s not, by any means, as nice as Star Wars. It’s not as fresh and funny and surprising and witty, but it is nice and inoffensive and, in a way that no one associated with it need be ashamed of, it’s also silly. Attending to it is a lot like reading the middle of a comic book. It is amusing in fitful patches but you’re likely to find more beauty, suspense, discipline, craft and art when watching a New York harbor pilot bring the Queen Elizabeth 2 into her Hudson River berth, which is what The Empire Strikes Back most reminds me of. It’s a big, expensive, time-consuming, essentially mechanical operation. The Empire Strikes Back is about as personal as a Christmas card from a bank.”


There's no "right" or "wrong" when it comes to SW takes, but man. Canby is in the minority here.

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Reply #64 posted 02/21/20 6:41am

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Pokeno4Money said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

WWHHAAATT? This is first lol

I reporting you to the star war community lol


lol lol lol

I dunno, maybe it had too much sand. wink

This review by Vincent Canby probably sums up my feelings best:

“The Empire Strikes Back is not a truly terrible movie. It’s a nice movie. It’s not, by any means, as nice as Star Wars. It’s not as fresh and funny and surprising and witty, but it is nice and inoffensive and, in a way that no one associated with it need be ashamed of, it’s also silly. Attending to it is a lot like reading the middle of a comic book. It is amusing in fitful patches but you’re likely to find more beauty, suspense, discipline, craft and art when watching a New York harbor pilot bring the Queen Elizabeth 2 into her Hudson River berth, which is what The Empire Strikes Back most reminds me of. It’s a big, expensive, time-consuming, essentially mechanical operation. The Empire Strikes Back is about as personal as a Christmas card from a bank.”

Canby needs to get laid.
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The Empire Strikes Back was supposed to be darker, it was visually stunning from Hoth - Cloud City

there was danger, mystery, excitement. It wasn't supposed to be like A New Hope.
I don't know what movie this guy watched or what he was on when he did, but ESB was more personal than A New Hope, that's where we really got to see them connect deeper and more things of their interconnectedness was revealed.
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People like him probably hated Blade Runner(1982) when it first came out as well.

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Reply #65 posted 02/21/20 6:55am

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The Empire Strikes Back is overwhelmingly the favorite of Star Wars fans

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https://www.cheatsheet.co...most.html/
But there's little debate about which movies are the fans and critics' favorites. For those, you have to go all the way back to the beginning. The original 1977 Star Wars (A New Hope) and 1980's The Empire Strikes Back come out way ahead.
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1. Episode V: The Empire Strikes Back

The one in which pop achieves mythic grandeur, in part due to tight screenwriting (by Leigh Brackett and Lawrence Kasdan) and in part to director Irvin Kershner's insistence on mining deeper, more primal emotions.

The movie needed them because, as the middle installment of a trilogy, it had to leave audiences satisfied while ending on a downbeat note, a note of irresolution. The characters — maimed, carbonized, equipped with traumatizing information about lineage — had slunk off to rethink this whole rebellion thing.

Almost every sequence is a tour de force, something that hadn't been seen before onscreen, from Han stuffing Luke inside (amid the innards) of a camel-like beast to keep him from freezing to death to the battle with the Imperial Walkers — terrifyingly implacable giants inspired by construction machines Lucas passed many days in San Francisco Bay. (Have the effects dated? Sure, but compare them to the big set pieces in Return of the Jedi and you'll see what a difference it makes when a director knows how to storyboard and edit an action sequence.) The capture and freezing of Han is even more devastating for being preceded by the trilogy's best line, which was conceived by Harrison Ford himself. Kershner stages and shoots Luke's climactic lightsaber fight with Vader so magnificently that it's worthy of its patriarchal punch line, which has entered the lexicon.

The Empire Strikes Back isn't just the best Star Wars film. As a piece of filmmaking, it's all by itself. Lucas has since denied that he complained about Kershner's slow pace and obsession with detail, saying, "You're making it better than it needs to be." But a comparison with the shoddy look and feel of Return of the Jedi suggests that if Lucas didn't literally say that, he conveyed it to the next director he hired. Although this was Lucas's universe, he needed opposing forces (his ex-wife, perhaps, and pains in the ass like Kershner) to take it to the next level — to make Star Wars really as good as it is in our dreams.

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Reply #66 posted 02/21/20 8:07am

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lol I know it's a very popular movie, and yes Luke finding out Darth was his Daddy was a brilliant plot twist.

But for me, this is one of the most powerful movie scenes ever:

Image result for darth saves luke gif
Image result for darth lifts emperor gif

Image result for vader unmasked gif

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Reply #67 posted 02/21/20 9:29am

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lol I know it's a very popular movie, and yes Luke finding out Darth was his Daddy was a brilliant plot twist.

But for me, this is one of the most powerful movie scenes ever:

Image result for darth saves luke gif
Image result for darth lifts emperor gif

Image result for vader unmasked gif

He is the Jedi who Returned.

Which is why I don't get the problems with TLJ, which was perfectly consistent with how Luke actually triumphed in RoTJ. Which was he won the big fights by stopping them.

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Reply #68 posted 02/21/20 12:53pm

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1. Star Wars

2. The Empire Strikes Back

3. Return Of The Jedi

4. Rogue One

5. Attack Of The Clones

6. Revenge Of The Sith

7. The Force Awakens

8. The Phantom Menace

9. Solo
10. Ewoks: Battle For Endor

11. The Rise Of Skywalker
12. The Clone Wars
13. The Ewok Adventure

14. The Last Jedi



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Reply #69 posted 02/21/20 12:59pm

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Well yeah, 4 5 6 are perfect. The ending was supposed tobe powerful.

Pokeno4Money said:

lol I know it's a very popular movie, and yes Luke finding out Darth was his Daddy was a brilliant plot twist.

But for me, this is one of the most powerful movie scenes ever:

Image result for darth saves luke gif
Image result for darth lifts emperor gif

Image result for vader unmasked gif

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Reply #70 posted 02/21/20 5:21pm

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Well yeah, 4 5 6 are perfect. The ending was supposed tobe powerful.


Just curious, what about Empire makes you like it more than Return?

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Reply #71 posted 02/21/20 5:25pm

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Pokeno4Money said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Well yeah, 4 5 6 are perfect. The ending was supposed tobe powerful.


Just curious, what about Empire makes you like it more than Return?


Not to speak for OldFriends, but the obvious answer is: No Ewoks! lol

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Reply #72 posted 02/21/20 5:30pm

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Not to speak for OldFriends, but the obvious answer is: No Ewoks! lol


DJ! I didn't know you were an Ewokist eek lol

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Reply #73 posted 02/21/20 5:55pm

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Pokeno4Money said:

djThunderfunk said:

Not to speak for OldFriends, but the obvious answer is: No Ewoks! lol


DJ! I didn't know you were an Ewokist eek lol


I go deep on the fanboy stuff, like kpowers!

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Reply #74 posted 02/21/20 8:56pm

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Pokeno4Money said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Well yeah, 4 5 6 are perfect. The ending was supposed tobe powerful.


Just curious, what about Empire makes you like it more than Return?

It was darker, I love mystery. And every planet visited was full of mystery in the visuals and actuals.
It was more dangerous. Darth Vader was deadly in this one, more deadly I should say. Cloud City made me want to explore it, and was very intriguing. the tension in this movie was high. lots of shadhow and it did feel like the Empire stuck back. The back stories and side stories as a result were very good. (but ANH and ROTJ) gave good back stories as a result.
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I didn't like ROTJ less, I just liked them for different reasons. I loved seeing Luke rise as a Jedi, the intesity of the space battle was intense. It was a brighter movie, even in Jabba's palace(great back stories too) Great back story of the Emperors Hand Mara Jade(force user) infiltrated Jabba's court to kill Luke Skywalker. I actually liked the Ewoks lol, They were actually savage warriors, people took them for cute. I saw some of the deleted scenes for both. And there was good stuff.

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Reply #75 posted 02/21/20 9:13pm

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Reply #76 posted 02/22/20 9:56pm

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Very cool stuff, thanks for posting! The one above is definitely my favorite.

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Reply #77 posted 02/23/20 3:46pm

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Just a quick question for longtime Star Wars fans. When you first saw Return of the Jedi, were you disappointed when Darth Vader took off his mask?

The reason I ask, is because I was bitterly disappointed and I kind of knew what to expect because I'd seen the prequels first. So I had a vague idea. But for those of you old enough to have seen it upon release, were you expecting him to look, I don't know, "cooler"? He had the voice of James Earl Jones. He wore a cape. He was physically imposing in that outfit. He was the coolest guy in the Galaxy. Even more than Lando. But then he took off the mask and looked like a little egg.
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Reply #78 posted 02/23/20 4:45pm

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Just a quick question for longtime Star Wars fans. When you first saw Return of the Jedi, were you disappointed when Darth Vader took off his mask? The reason I ask, is because I was bitterly disappointed and I kind of knew what to expect because I'd seen the prequels first. So I had a vague idea. But for those of you old enough to have seen it upon release, were you expecting him to look, I don't know, "cooler"? He had the voice of James Earl Jones. He wore a cape. He was physically imposing in that outfit. He was the coolest guy in the Galaxy. Even more than Lando. But then he took off the mask and looked like a little egg.


Yes I was disappointed, even though I expected him to look somewhat ugly and disfigured.

He reminds me of someone, I can't remember who. I'll keep trying though. lol

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Reply #79 posted 02/23/20 6:27pm

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Pokeno4Money said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

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Very cool stuff, thanks for posting! The one above is definitely my favorite.

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Reply #80 posted 02/23/20 6:30pm

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EmmaMcG said:

Just a quick question for longtime Star Wars fans. When you first saw Return of the Jedi, were you disappointed when Darth Vader took off his mask? The reason I ask, is because I was bitterly disappointed and I kind of knew what to expect because I'd seen the prequels first. So I had a vague idea. But for those of you old enough to have seen it upon release, were you expecting him to look, I don't know, "cooler"? He had the voice of James Earl Jones. He wore a cape. He was physically imposing in that outfit. He was the coolest guy in the Galaxy. Even more than Lando. But then he took off the mask and looked like a little egg.

Not me. It made me sad for the character. Then I understood more, Anakin being 'trapped' in that 'body armor' I read more later about how the Emperor would play mind games to break him, because he knew Anakin did still have light in him. Then also think of ROTS where Darth Sidious is laughing at Darth Vader when he realizes Padme was killed etc

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Reply #81 posted 02/23/20 11:43pm

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I like:

1. Empire

2. A New Hope

3. Rogue One

Don't really like the other movies much. I also like the Genndy Tartokovsky Clone Wars series.

For me, I like the mythology of Star Wars much more than the actual plot.

I really dislike ROTJ (except for the attack on the death star... best looking aerial battle I've ever seen). Think Lucas really screwed the pooch there on the plot.

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Reply #82 posted 02/24/20 6:44pm

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Tremendous pictures, thanks!

I'm still trying to think of who he resembles. LOL

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Reply #83 posted 02/26/20 7:04am

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EmmaMcG said:

Just a quick question for longtime Star Wars fans. When you first saw Return of the Jedi, were you disappointed when Darth Vader took off his mask? The reason I ask, is because I was bitterly disappointed and I kind of knew what to expect because I'd seen the prequels first. So I had a vague idea. But for those of you old enough to have seen it upon release, were you expecting him to look, I don't know, "cooler"? He had the voice of James Earl Jones. He wore a cape. He was physically imposing in that outfit. He was the coolest guy in the Galaxy. Even more than Lando. But then he took off the mask and looked like a little egg.

To be fair I was 6 when I first saw it and it was my first SW, so I had no expectations and I kind of grew up accepting it as a natural thing, but with some perspective I like the fact that he looked pathetic. Not dark and goth and sexy but old and lame and pathetic. And later I found out that young Anakin is pathetic, too, as soon as he's grown in Ep2, and I liked this portrayal as well. Vader was never the coolest guy in the galaxy to me, he's scary, he's dangerous, he's a wonderful villain with a powerful might, but the beauty of it is that he's just a poor idiot who had an awesome potential for good, but got manipulated, got amputated and lost everyone he loved, then had to spend the rest of his depressing existence being another man's puppet while suffocating in a claustrophobic suit in order to survive. That's the sad truth behind the cool armor.

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EmmaMcG said:


Just a quick question for longtime Star Wars fans. When you first saw Return of the Jedi, were you disappointed when Darth Vader took off his mask? The reason I ask, is because I was bitterly disappointed and I kind of knew what to expect because I'd seen the prequels first. So I had a vague idea. But for those of you old enough to have seen it upon release, were you expecting him to look, I don't know, "cooler"? He had the voice of James Earl Jones. He wore a cape. He was physically imposing in that outfit. He was the coolest guy in the Galaxy. Even more than Lando. But then he took off the mask and looked like a little egg.

To be fair I was 6 when I first saw it and it was my first SW, so I had no expectations and I kind of grew up accepting it as a natural thing, but with some perspective I like the fact that he looked pathetic. Not dark and goth and sexy but old and lame and pathetic. And later I found out that young Anakin is pathetic, too, as soon as he's grown in Ep2, and I liked this portrayal as well. Vader was never the coolest guy in the galaxy to me, he's scary, he's dangerous, he's a wonderful villain with a powerful might, but the beauty of it is that he's just a poor idiot who had an awesome potential for good, but got manipulated, got amputated and lost everyone he loved, then had to spend the rest of his depressing existence being another man's puppet while suffocating in a claustrophobic suit in order to survive. That's the sad truth behind the cool armor.



That's actually a brilliant point you made there. For as cool as he looked in the suit, underneath he was nothing more than the Emperor's puppet. He had all the physical might in the world as both Anakin (in the prequels/Clone Wars) and as Vader (in the originals/Rogue One) but in both stages of his life he was weak-minded and easily manipulated.
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Reply #85 posted 02/26/20 9:10am

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It was darker, I love mystery. And every planet visited was full of mystery in the visuals and actuals.
It was more dangerous. Darth Vader was deadly in this one, more deadly I should say. Cloud City made me want to explore it, and was very intriguing. the tension in this movie was high. lots of shadhow and it did feel like the Empire stuck back. The back stories and side stories as a result were very good. (but ANH and ROTJ) gave good back stories as a result.
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I didn't like ROTJ less, I just liked them for different reasons. I loved seeing Luke rise as a Jedi, the intesity of the space battle was intense. It was a brighter movie, even in Jabba's palace(great back stories too) Great back story of the Emperors Hand Mara Jade(force user) infiltrated Jabba's court to kill Luke Skywalker. I actually liked the Ewoks lol, They were actually savage warriors, people took them for cute. I saw some of the deleted scenes for both. And there was good stuff.


Well you DID rank Empire ahead of ROTJ, so you must like ROTJ less. wink

But I know what you're saying, you have valid reasons and I enjoyed reading them.

I too saw that deleted Ewoks scene, wish they had kept it in the theater release.

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Reply #86 posted 02/26/20 9:31am

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Originally Lucas planned to use the wookiees and Kashyyyk for the battle in ROTJ, something that was logistically too difficult to film in 1982 and so it was changed to ewoks and Endor.

George already had a bunch of actors to fit the part (jawas, ugnaughts, droids), much easier than coming up with a bunch of 7foottallplus actors to populate the wookiees.

The idea was revisted for Revenge Of The Sith. By then, technology had caught up and he had the abilitiy to digitally manipulate and duplicate fewer actors to fill a larger army.

Jedi would have been better if it had been wookiees. Just sayin'... wink

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Reply #87 posted 02/26/20 10:22am

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Originally Lucas planned to use the wookiees and Kashyyyk for the battle in ROTJ, something that was logistically too difficult to film in 1982 and so it was changed to ewoks and Endor.

George already had a bunch of actors to fit the part (jawas, ugnaughts, droids), much easier than coming up with a bunch of 7foottallplus actors to populate the wookiees.

The idea was revisted for Revenge Of The Sith. By then, technology had caught up and he had the abilitiy to digitally manipulate and duplicate fewer actors to fill a larger army.

Jedi would have been better if it had been wookiees. Just sayin'... wink


Agreed! Very interesting, thanks for the background. I've learned a lot from this thread.

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Reply #88 posted 02/26/20 11:23am

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OldFriends4Sale said:

Pokeno4Money said:


Just curious, what about Empire makes you like it more than Return?

It was darker, I love mystery. And every planet visited was full of mystery in the visuals and actuals.
It was more dangerous. Darth Vader was deadly in this one, more deadly I should say. Cloud City made me want to explore it, and was very intriguing. the tension in this movie was high. lots of shadhow and it did feel like the Empire stuck back. The back stories and side stories as a result were very good. (but ANH and ROTJ) gave good back stories as a result.
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I didn't like ROTJ less, I just liked them for different reasons. I loved seeing Luke rise as a Jedi, the intesity of the space battle was intense. It was a brighter movie, even in Jabba's palace(great back stories too) Great back story of the Emperors Hand Mara Jade(force user) infiltrated Jabba's court to kill Luke Skywalker. I actually liked the Ewoks lol, They were actually savage warriors, people took them for cute. I saw some of the deleted scenes for both. And there was good stuff.

Return of the Care Bears is when Star Wars officially 'jumped the shark'. Teddy bears taking down military-trained stormtroopers? Yeah, right. Should've used Wookies instead, but the technology at the time probably prevented it.

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Some OT images from Marvel Comics for you desktop:







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