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Reply #60 posted 09/05/19 11:18am

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I thought we weren't supposed to talk about fight club
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Reply #61 posted 09/06/19 9:18am

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Reply #62 posted 09/09/19 10:29am

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'Joker' wins Best Film at the Venice Film Festival: https://www.cnn.com/2019/09/07/entertainment/joker-venice-film-festival-trnd/index.html

I wasn't that interested in this before, but seeing it now becomes a high priority.

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Reply #63 posted 09/11/19 8:14am

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Rolling Stone has an article, why are they even doing this movie, what is the point?

All you others say Hell Yea!! woot!
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Reply #64 posted 09/11/19 10:37am

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Rolling Stone has an article, why are they even doing this movie, what is the point?



The Joker is a popular character. Sony made a movie of Venom, a few years ago WB made a Catwoman movie. There's been quite a few comic book movies told from the villain's point of view. Given the Joker's popularity it makes sense that there would be a movie about him at some point. Also, from a creative standpoint, he's basically a blank canvas. He's got no particular backstory, not even a definitive name. So it's a good opportunity for a wrirer/director to put their own stamp on the character and tell an origin story that isn't influenced by previous comics/movies, which is rare for comic book movies.
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Reply #65 posted 09/11/19 11:15am

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Rolling Stone has an article, why are they even doing this movie, what is the point?

Well what is the point of making any movie? Because someone wants to make it and someone wants to see it. So the studio can make money from it. Just because you're not interested in something doesn't mean another person isn't. Like you said you don't like Cardi B, but guess what a lot of other people do.

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Reply #66 posted 09/12/19 12:16am

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Rolling Stone has an article, why are they even doing this movie, what is the point?


Is this a serious question??

Ever heard of 'entertainment'??

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Reply #67 posted 09/12/19 2:00pm

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Well, seems I am way off base in thinking that Joker wouldn't be financially successful. Predictions are it's going to open well.

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According to analysts, JOKER is on track to debut to the tune of $76 to $88 million when it takes the stage in theaters on October 4th. That being said, some executives have posited that those numbers are inaccurate on account of the film's potential to divide audiences. Recently, Phillips described his JOKER film as a "slow burn," which as you know is a formula that doesn't always play well with general audiences.

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Reply #68 posted 09/12/19 2:42pm

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Ugot2shakesumthin said:

Well, seems I am way off base in thinking that Joker wouldn't be financially successful. Predictions are it's going to open well.





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According to analysts, JOKER is on track to debut to the tune of $76 to $88 million when it takes the stage in theaters on October 4th. That being said, some executives have posited that those numbers are inaccurate on account of the film's potential to divide audiences. Recently, Phillips described his JOKER film as a "slow burn," which as you know is a formula that doesn't always play well with general audiences.



I'd say it will open really well but drop off quite quickly once word gets out that it's more of a drama than a typical superhero movie. A lot of casual movie goers will likely be turned off by the tone of it. Overall though, it will be very successful. The budget being so low means it doesn't have to make a billion dollars to be a success.
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Reply #69 posted 09/13/19 8:30am

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We may be surprised at how good it is.

All you others say Hell Yea!! woot!
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Reply #70 posted 09/13/19 12:11pm

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We may be surprised at how good it is.



You might be surprised. A lot of us had already expected it to be good.
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Reply #71 posted 09/25/19 6:23am

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Warner Bros. Weighs in On 'Joker' Controversy: Film Doesn't Endorse Violence

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Warner Bros. has weighed in on the mounting controversy surrounding "Joker," an R-rated comic book adaptation that is being criticized for offering an in-depth portrait of a mass killer. In a statement on Tuesday, the studio hit back at suggestions that it is glamorizing a mass murderer.

"Make no mistake: neither the fictional character Joker, nor the film, is an endorsement of real-world violence of any kind," the statement reads. "It is not the intention of the film, the filmmakers or the studio to hold this character up as a hero."

Warner Bros. broke its silence after family members and friends of the victims of a 2012 mass shooting at a screening of "The Dark Knight Rises" in Aurora, Colo., wrote a letter to the studio expressing concerns about the film's upcoming release. The letter supported the studio's right to make the film and endorsed freedom of speech and artistic expression. However, its writers called on Warner Bros. to take several steps to get involved in the gun control movement, including pledging not to donate to political candidates who take money from the NRA.

Warner Bros. stopped short of agreeing to those calls to action, but it said that the company has a history of supporting those causes.

"Gun violence in our society is a critical issue, and we extend our deepest sympathy to all victims and families impacted by these tragedies," the statement reads. "Our company has a long history of donating to victims of violence, including Aurora, and in recent weeks, our parent company joined other business leaders to call on policymakers to enact bi-partisan legislation to address this epidemic. At the same time, Warner Bros. believes that one of the functions of storytelling is to provoke difficult conversations around complex issues."

The letter was signed by Sandy and Lonnie Phillips, a couple whose 24-year-old daughter, Jessica Ghawi, was murdered; Theresa Hoover, the mother of 18-year-old Alexander J. Boik, who was shot and killed; Heather Dearman, whose cousin Ashley Moser, lost an unborn child and a 6-year-old daughter in the attack; and Tiina Coon, whose son was a witness to the shootings. In the letter, they say that the studio's decision to make a "sympathetic origin story... gave us pause" and, using a maxim made famous from Spider-Man comics, go on to note that "as anyone who has ever seen a comic book movie can tell you: with great power comes great responsibility."

The shooting in Aurora took place during a midnight screening of "The Dark Knight Rises" and resulted in 12 deaths and 70 injuries. Warner Bros. produced that film and donated $2 million to charities that benefited families of the victims.

"Joker" centers on an aspiring stand-up comedian whose mental health issues escalate, ultimately leading him to a life of criminality. His offenses inspire others to engage in violent actions and provoke widespread anarchy. The film has received support from many reviewers, particularly for the central performance of Joaquin Phoenix, but some critics took issue with its bloody climax and underlying social message.

Todd Phillips, the film's director, told IGN that the film doesn't excuse Joker's behavior. "The movie makes statements about a lack of love, childhood trauma, lack of compassion in the world," he said. "I think people can handle that message."

Movie theaters around the country did not respond to requests for comment about whether or not they were tightening their security procedures in anticipation of "Joker's" October 4 premiere. However, one knowledgeable insider said that exhibitors were mindful of the situation and were closely reviewing their internal security measures.

Rebecca Rubin contributed to this report.

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Reply #72 posted 09/27/19 9:11pm

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Reply #73 posted 09/27/19 9:13pm

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‘Joker’ Premiere Disinvites Interview Press From Hollywood Red Carpet

https://www.msn.com/en-us/movies/news/joker-premiere-disinvites-interview-press-from-hollywood-red-carpet/ar-AAHWZfM?ocid=spartanntp

Warner Bros. Entertainment has restricted access for print and broadcast journalists from the red carpet at the upcoming U.S. premiere of “Joker.”

The event, which will take place on Saturday in Hollywood at the famous TCL Chinese Theatre, will now only allow photographers access to talent and filmmakers. Expected attendees include Joaquin Phoenix, director Todd Philips, and supporting stars like Zazie Beetz and Frances Conroy.

“Our red carpet is comprised of photographers only,” a studio spokesperson told Variety, “a lot has been said about ‘Joker,’ and we just feel it’s time for people to see the film.”

The move to restrict access to interviews comes after a week of headlines about the violent and provocative nature of the film, and measures to inform and protect American moviegoers as they prepare to screen it.

Mid-size theater chain Landmark is prohibiting costume play based on Phoenix’s turn as the iconic Batman villain. On Thursday, Variety reported that the Los Angeles Police Department would increase its visibility at area theaters. The department said it has not received any specific threats about the movie, but encouraged moviegoers to be vigilant.

“The Los Angeles Police Department is aware of public concerns and the historical significance associated with the premiere of ‘Joker,’” said department spokesman Josh Rubenstein. “While there are no credible threats in the Los Angeles area, the department will maintain high visibility around theaters when it opens.”

Concerns about the “Joker” movie and its portrayal of the titular character’s violent tendencies as a result of ostracization have sprung up since the movie’s debut at the Venice Film Festival, with some expressing worry the thriller paints the central mass murderer too sympathetically.

The families of the 2012 Aurora shooting signed a letter to Warner...nn Sarnoff that, despite refraining from calling for “Joker” to be pulled from release, did say the movie’s “sympathetic origin story… gave us pause.”

Instead of calling for a boycott or ban, the families and friends of victims asked Warner Bros. to end political contributions to candidates who take money from the NRA and vote against gun reform; use its political clout to lobby congressional leaders for gun reform; and fund survivor funds and gun violence intervention programs.

Warner Bros. responded with a statement of its own on Tuesday, writing that “neither the fictional character Joker, nor the film, is an endorsement of real-world violence of any kind. It is not the intention of the film, the filmmakers or the studio to hold this character up as a hero.”

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Reply #74 posted 09/28/19 1:43am

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It's stupid how they have to restrict interviews and explain their decisions to feature violence in a movie. These movies are NOT the cause of violence in real life. They're only movies. 2 hours of escapism. Entertainment. If some maniac shoots up a cinema or goes on a killing spree after watching The Joker it will not be because the movie had a few violent scenes. It will be because the guy (its always a man) is a maniac. Filmmakers should be able to make whatever kind of movie they want to and not have to cater to some deranged idiot who believes himself to be a fictional character.


Having said all that, I can't help but think that Warner Bros are loving all the press this movie is getting. It's all just free advertising at the end of the day. I reckon this movie is going to be hugely successful.
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Reply #75 posted 09/28/19 1:35pm

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See now I really want to see it but there's guilt knowing how much pain it seems to be causing. I can actually empathize with these parents. If this kind of thing had of remained a rarity I might poopoo the backlash but it's increasing worming it's way into places this kind of stuff was unheard of. Some fool did shot up a theater showing Batman im sure most of us check for the exits when going to see a movie and have some kind of game plan in mind just in case nowadays.
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Reply #76 posted 09/28/19 3:31pm

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See now I really want to see it but there's guilt knowing how much pain it seems to be causing. I can actually empathize with these parents. If this kind of thing had of remained a rarity I might poopoo the backlash but it's increasing worming it's way into places this kind of stuff was unheard of. Some fool did shot up a theater showing Batman im sure most of us check for the exits when going to see a movie and have some kind of game plan in mind just in case nowadays.


I feel sorry for the people who get shot but it's not the movie's fault. It's the mental prick with the gun who's to blame. And if the movie had never been made, he'd still be a mental prick with a gun. Blaming movies or video games is easy and it prevents us from having to deal with the actual issues such as mental health. But no movie or game has ever turned a normal, sane person into a murderer.

Also, you don't have to feel any guilt for going to see this movie. Or any movie.
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Reply #77 posted 09/28/19 3:52pm

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onlyforaminute said:

See now I really want to see it but there's guilt knowing how much pain it seems to be causing. I can actually empathize with these parents. If this kind of thing had of remained a rarity I might poopoo the backlash but it's increasing worming it's way into places this kind of stuff was unheard of. Some fool did shot up a theater showing Batman im sure most of us check for the exits when going to see a movie and have some kind of game plan in mind just in case nowadays.


I feel sorry for the people who get shot but it's not the movie's fault. It's the mental prick with the gun who's to blame. And if the movie had never been made, he'd still be a mental prick with a gun. Blaming movies or video games is easy and it prevents us from having to deal with the actual issues such as mental health. But no movie or game has ever turned a normal, sane person into a murderer.

Also, you don't have to feel any guilt for going to see this movie. Or any movie.


Yeah, I was kinda there, we've been saying that kind of stuff for decades now but then I wonder if there may not be the canary in the mineshaft element to all this. I mean the whole climate change issue didn't begin a few years ago, its been put forth for decades long before most people could wrap their mindso around the concept that us tiny fragile beings could alter the natural course of a big old giant planet. I mean it is just a movie vs the wellbeing of people. It makes me tetter and seriously wonder, has any studying been done.
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Reply #78 posted 09/28/19 9:33pm

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Joaquin reminds me of Prince in many ways...magnetic, arresting and not afraid of psychological darkness. Should be a compelling performance.

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Reply #79 posted 09/29/19 12:46am

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EmmaMcG said:



I feel sorry for the people who get shot but it's not the movie's fault. It's the mental prick with the gun who's to blame. And if the movie had never been made, he'd still be a mental prick with a gun. Blaming movies or video games is easy and it prevents us from having to deal with the actual issues such as mental health. But no movie or game has ever turned a normal, sane person into a murderer.

Also, you don't have to feel any guilt for going to see this movie. Or any movie.


Yeah, I was kinda there, we've been saying that kind of stuff for decades now but then I wonder if there may not be the canary in the mineshaft element to all this. I mean the whole climate change issue didn't begin a few years ago, its been put forth for decades long before most people could wrap their mindso around the concept that us tiny fragile beings could alter the natural course of a big old giant planet. I mean it is just a movie vs the wellbeing of people. It makes me tetter and seriously wonder, has any studying been done.


I've been watching ultra violent movies since before I could talk. My two favourite movies when I was a child were Robocop and Basic Instinct. And I've never personally killed anyone.
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Reply #80 posted 09/30/19 12:06pm

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I wanna c this. Joaquin going 4 that Oscar 😁. I'll just go 2 the matinee so I don't get shot up boxed
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Reply #81 posted 09/30/19 2:34pm

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onlyforaminute said:



Yeah, I was kinda there, we've been saying that kind of stuff for decades now but then I wonder if there may not be the canary in the mineshaft element to all this. I mean the whole climate change issue didn't begin a few years ago, its been put forth for decades long before most people could wrap their mindso around the concept that us tiny fragile beings could alter the natural course of a big old giant planet. I mean it is just a movie vs the wellbeing of people. It makes me tetter and seriously wonder, has any studying been done.


I've been watching ultra violent movies since before I could talk. My two favourite movies when I was a child were Robocop and Basic Instinct. And I've never personally killed anyone.



It would be an interesting world if most of us couldn't say that.
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Reply #82 posted 10/01/19 9:07am

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Fun fact: Batman's groovy butler Alfred in the 60s live-action series was played by an actor named Alan Napier. Articles suggest the last name may be a tribute and the Jack is just Nicholson's first name.

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Reply #83 posted 10/01/19 9:08am

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Fun fact: Batman's groovy butler Alfred in the 60s live-action series was played by an actor named Alan Napier. Articles suggest the last name may be a tribute and the Jack is just Nicholson's first name.

https://www.cbr.com/joker...r-origins/

This article kinda runs with that theory

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Reply #84 posted 10/02/19 4:24am

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onlyforaminute said:
Yeah, I was kinda there, we've been saying that kind of stuff for decades now but then I wonder if there may not be the canary in the mineshaft element to all this. I mean the whole climate change issue didn't begin a few years ago, its been put forth for decades long before most people could wrap their mindso around the concept that us tiny fragile beings could alter the natural course of a big old giant planet. I mean it is just a movie vs the wellbeing of people. It makes me tetter and seriously wonder, has any studying been done.
I've been watching ultra violent movies since before I could talk. My two favourite movies when I was a child were Robocop and Basic Instinct. And I've never personally killed anyone.


Me neither.

Just 10 more hours and I'll be seeing it at the midnight premiere! nutty

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Reply #85 posted 10/02/19 6:13am

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JorisE73 said:

EmmaMcG said:

onlyforaminute said: I've been watching ultra violent movies since before I could talk. My two favourite movies when I was a child were Robocop and Basic Instinct. And I've never personally killed anyone.


Me neither.

Just 10 more hours and I'll be seeing it at the midnight premiere! nutty

I'm pissed as I need to go within school hours but the earliest ones are currently starting too late in the afternoon. I wanted to go Friday, but who knows when I'll get there now sad

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Reply #86 posted 10/04/19 5:36pm

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onlyforaminute said:
See now I really want to see it but there's guilt knowing how much pain it seems to be causing. I can actually empathize with these parents. If this kind of thing had of remained a rarity I might poopoo the backlash but it's increasing worming it's way into places this kind of stuff was unheard of. Some fool did shot up a theater showing Batman im sure most of us check for the exits when going to see a movie and have some kind of game plan in mind just in case nowadays.
I feel sorry for the people who get shot but it's not the movie's fault. It's the mental prick with the gun who's to blame. And if the movie had never been made, he'd still be a mental prick with a gun. Blaming movies or video games is easy and it prevents us from having to deal with the actual issues such as mental health. But no movie or game has ever turned a normal, sane person into a murderer. Also, you don't have to feel any guilt for going to see this movie. Or any movie.

I completely disagree with you on all this. This sounds like it might be short sighted to me.

Here's what you might not be considering: A crazy person can get triggered by the seductive psychological pull of a movie. And then the logic would be, if the movie hadn't been viewed the person wouldn't get triggered to act. The truth is you can't help but accept that a certainn part of the population are not as smart, not as wise, and easily conned, and feel self righteous about their personal lusts, whims, adiidctions (like fast food). On top of that a percentage are mentally ill to varying degrees.

I am noticing that most responses to the criticism of this movie gets really fired up and emotional, and it only proves the criticism further in my opinion. The backlash against the backlash almost sounds like when addicts are questioned and get kind of activated.

All in all, this is almost following the pattern of gun control debate in a rough way.

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ufoclub said:



EmmaMcG said:


onlyforaminute said:
See now I really want to see it but there's guilt knowing how much pain it seems to be causing. I can actually empathize with these parents. If this kind of thing had of remained a rarity I might poopoo the backlash but it's increasing worming it's way into places this kind of stuff was unheard of. Some fool did shot up a theater showing Batman im sure most of us check for the exits when going to see a movie and have some kind of game plan in mind just in case nowadays.

I feel sorry for the people who get shot but it's not the movie's fault. It's the mental prick with the gun who's to blame. And if the movie had never been made, he'd still be a mental prick with a gun. Blaming movies or video games is easy and it prevents us from having to deal with the actual issues such as mental health. But no movie or game has ever turned a normal, sane person into a murderer. Also, you don't have to feel any guilt for going to see this movie. Or any movie.


I completely disagree with you on all this. This sounds like it might be short sighted to me.

Here's what you might not be considering: A crazy person can get triggered by the seductive psychological pull of a movie. And then the logic would be, if the movie hadn't been viewed the person wouldn't get triggered to act. The truth is you can't help but accept that a certainn part of the population are not as smart, not as wise, and easily conned, and feel self righteous about their personal lusts, whims, adiidctions (like fast food). On top of that a percentage are mentally ill to varying degrees.

I am noticing that most responses to the criticism of this movie gets really fired up and emotional, and it only proves the criticism further in my opinion. The backlash against the backlash almost sounds like when addicts are questioned and get kind of activated.

All in all, this is almost following the pattern of gun control debate in a rough way.



So you believe that certain stories should never be told because they MIGHT influence someone to commit a crime? Like, Taxi Driver, for example. One of the greatest movies ever made. But because John Hinckley Jr tried to assassinate Reagan after being influenced by the movie you feel that Taxi Driver should have been never made? One of the greatest movies of all time should be banned because of one headcase? Nah, I don't buy that at all.

I don't believe in censorship of art. Unless an actual crime was committed in the making of the piece. Like, if Juaquin Phoenix had actually murdered an extra for authenticity. Then yeah, I'd agree that would be a step too far. But this is make believe. And I don't believe that the artist should have to alter their artistic vision to cater to the easily influenced.
This is a Prince fan site. Prince has had some very questionable lyrics in his songs. Would you think that he should have censored himself so as not to offend? I use Prince as an example because he's the one thing all of us here have in common but there are countless more singers/rappers/writers who's work could be seen to be influential in the committing of certain crimes. Should they all be banned?
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Reply #88 posted 10/05/19 9:12am

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Martin Scorsese has said that comic book movies are killing true cinema..agree.

All you others say Hell Yea!! woot!
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Reply #89 posted 10/05/19 10:27am

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Haven’t seen it, but I would imagine the media attention will pique people’s curiosity to see what the fuss is about. Very curious to see box office results.
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