OldFriends4Sale said:

EmmaMcG said:

OldFriends4Sale said: I disagree regarding having George Lucas involved. This is the same man who was responsible for writing the prequels. I watched them all this past weekend and they are worse than I remember. I get that Star Wars movies have always been aimed at a younger demographic but Episode 1 and 2 come across like they were written for 5 year olds. Episode 3 fares a bit better but the dialogue is just as bad, sometimes worse, as in episodes 1 and 2. The entire movie is basically one giant meme. Awful. Don't get me wrong, I still enjoy episode 3 for what it is but this is not high art we're talking about here. I see the new "Sequel Trilogy" as being an improved version of the prequels. The story is still simplistic as fuck but the special effects, dialogue and acting are much better.

I disagree that the prequels are bad. Episode 1, if they left out Jarr Jarr and had less of the boy(kids in movies like this I usually don't like) people would enjoy it. The movie was needed in setting up how Palpatine and Anakin came to be the Emperor and Darth Vader.

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Episode 2, was a solid movie, I didn't care much for the love affair part, but overall the movie was good.

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Episode 3 was really good, I don't know too many people that did not like The Revenge of the Sith.

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Actually I don't think SW movies were always aimed at younger audiences. Like Disney movies were not really aimed at younger audiences initially.

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Where 1-2 fell a little flat was he tried to write them like movies of the 70s and 80s which involved less verbal communication. That is one of the things that made most 70s and 80s movies good. Too much talking can really mess up the acting. Having to explain everything mean the movie isn't good.

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I think the Disney sequels are pulling too much on the visual nastalgia of the previoius episodes. For example the star destroyer downed on the planet Rey lived on. They wrote a thick book called Lost Stars just to exlain how that ship got on the planet. The book was weak. It could have been a short story just for that. And TFA and TLJ are totally just re-writes of Episode IV V VI

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Episode I II III succeed in telling the story of how IV V VI came to be, the visuals were wonderful.

VI and VII failed in that they did not take I-V and evolve it forward. They went backards and warped. VII failed to even evolve what was in VI. In many ways it actually contradicted it.

Conceptually the prequels were solid. The issues were execution and an overly broad target audience.

IMHO -- Lucas was simply rusty from a directorial standpoint and didn't round into form until III. The writing was stilted, especially in II. Also, it seems like the films were trying to market to a new generation of young fans while trying to expand the mythos of the OT for established fans.

As the Clone Wars series shows, when the prequels concept is well written and directed, it clicks.

But I and II, though each had their moments, were substandard, and VII and VIII are superior to both.

namepeace said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

I disagree that the prequels are bad. Episode 1, if they left out Jarr Jarr and had less of the boy(kids in movies like this I usually don't like) people would enjoy it. The movie was needed in setting up how Palpatine and Anakin came to be the Emperor and Darth Vader.

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Episode 2, was a solid movie, I didn't care much for the love affair part, but overall the movie was good.

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Episode 3 was really good, I don't know too many people that did not like The Revenge of the Sith.

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Actually I don't think SW movies were always aimed at younger audiences. Like Disney movies were not really aimed at younger audiences initially.

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Where 1-2 fell a little flat was he tried to write them like movies of the 70s and 80s which involved less verbal communication. That is one of the things that made most 70s and 80s movies good. Too much talking can really mess up the acting. Having to explain everything mean the movie isn't good.

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I think the Disney sequels are pulling too much on the visual nastalgia of the previoius episodes. For example the star destroyer downed on the planet Rey lived on. They wrote a thick book called Lost Stars just to exlain how that ship got on the planet. The book was weak. It could have been a short story just for that. And TFA and TLJ are totally just re-writes of Episode IV V VI

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Episode I II III succeed in telling the story of how IV V VI came to be, the visuals were wonderful.

VI and VII failed in that they did not take I-V and evolve it forward. They went backards and warped. VII failed to even evolve what was in VI. In many ways it actually contradicted it.

Conceptually the prequels were solid. The issues were execution and an overly broad target audience.

IMHO -- Lucas was simply rusty from a directorial standpoint and didn't round into form until III. The writing was stilted, especially in II. Also, it seems like the films were trying to market to a new generation of young fans while trying to expand the mythos of the OT for established fans.

As the Clone Wars series shows, when the prequels concept is well written and directed, it clicks.

But I and II, though each had their moments, were substandard, and VII and VIII are superior to both.

The prequals were just telling the story of how IV V VI began. I never felt it was targeting a younger audience, the culture was already there solid and large. We were consuming the comics and novels, creating websites for discussion. Lucas knew who was going to $.

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See I have to disagree, I and II because they still made sense and told the continuum of the story are superior. VII and VIII are confused and confusing. They don't draw on the knowledge of star was established. And VII and VIII contradict each other in a way that many people are saying VIII is probably the movie that TLJ should have been.

OldFriends4Sale said:

namepeace said:

Conceptually the prequels were solid. The issues were execution and an overly broad target audience.

IMHO -- Lucas was simply rusty from a directorial standpoint and didn't round into form until III. The writing was stilted, especially in II. Also, it seems like the films were trying to market to a new generation of young fans while trying to expand the mythos of the OT for established fans.

As the Clone Wars series shows, when the prequels concept is well written and directed, it clicks.

But I and II, though each had their moments, were substandard, and VII and VIII are superior to both.

The prequals were just telling the story of how IV V VI began. I never felt it was targeting a younger audience, the culture was already there solid and large. We were consuming the comics and novels, creating websites for discussion. Lucas knew who was going to $.

I was clearly geared towards children and selling toys. II was geared more towards established audiences and particularly the YA audience. III was the linchpin to arguably the entire saga, so it appealed most to the fanbase.

See I have to disagree, I and II because they still made sense and told the continuum of the story are superior. VII and VIII are confused and confusing. They don't draw on the knowledge of star was established. And VII and VIII contradict each other in a way that many people are saying VIII is probably the movie that TLJ should have been.

In terms of filmmaking, I respectfully disagree. VII and VIII had their issues, and the premises could have been more rooted in the established mythos of the saga, but on the merits, Abrams and Johnson made better movies than Lucas himself did with I and II.

Like Lucas with the prequels, Disney tried to do too much with the sequels - bank on the star power and mythos of the prior episodes to draw in established fans while building new audiences with new characters and storylines.

namepeace said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

The prequals were just telling the story of how IV V VI began. I never felt it was targeting a younger audience, the culture was already there solid and large. We were consuming the comics and novels, creating websites for discussion. Lucas knew who was going to $.

I was clearly geared towards children and selling toys. II was geared more towards established audiences and particularly the YA audience. III was the linchpin to arguably the entire saga, so it appealed most to the fanbase.

See I have to disagree, I and II because they still made sense and told the continuum of the story are superior. VII and VIII are confused and confusing. They don't draw on the knowledge of star was established. And VII and VIII contradict each other in a way that many people are saying VIII is probably the movie that TLJ should have been.

In terms of filmmaking, I respectfully disagree. VII and VIII had their issues, and the premises could have been more rooted in the established mythos of the saga, but on the merits, Abrams and Johnson made better movies than Lucas himself did with I and II.

Like Lucas with the prequels, Disney tried to do too much with the sequels - bank on the star power and mythos of the prior episodes to draw in established fans while building new audiences with new characters and storylines.

I don't know, I guess all the movies had a few audiences. I mean Sci Fi like SW still appeal to the young at heart. And there are a lot of 'toys' and sculptured pieces that were intended for adult collectors. I think he could have went darker with Episode I because there was a lot of stuff happening in the shadows, not to mention, Darth Sidious master was still alive. But having read some of the books leading up to Episode I, I don't see a 'geared toward children' message.

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Filmmaking is cool, but I'm looking at the Star Wars universe story. As far as how they connect to the Star Wars continuum, VII VIII fail. Good filmmaking is good of course, but if it fails to bridge the storylines, how is that superior. It didn't do the job. Nothing as far as lightsabers and the Force in Abrams and Johnsons stories are true to Star Wars. and so many other things. Johnson contradicts Abrams movie.

OldFriends4Sale said:

namepeace said:

I don't know, I guess all the movies had a few audiences. I mean Sci Fi like SW still appeal to the young at heart. And there are a lot of 'toys' and sculptured pieces that were intended for adult collectors. I think he could have went darker with Episode I because there was a lot of stuff happening in the shadows, not to mention, Darth Sidious master was still alive. But having read some of the books leading up to Episode I, I don't see a 'geared toward children' message.

Fair points. But even Lucas himself concedes his target audience was kids (for the entire saga).
https://www.syfy.com/syfy...s-prequels

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Filmmaking is cool, but I'm looking at the Star Wars universe story. As far as how they connect to the Star Wars continuum, VII VIII fail. Good filmmaking is good of course, but if it fails to bridge the storylines, how is that superior. It didn't do the job. Nothing as far as lightsabers and the Force in Abrams and Johnsons stories are true to Star Wars. and so many other things. Johnson contradicts Abrams movie.

Regardless of who the filmmakers were, the sequels were going to have two huge issues. One was how to extend the film storylines which were essentially resolved by the OT. Disney chose to basically make the rich storylines of the EU apocryphal, which meant the producers, writers and directors to craft their own storylines which were inevitably going to be compared unfavorably to the EU storylines by many fans.

The second issue was Father Time. The main characters were all senior citizens at the time production of VII began. Continuity was going to be hard, and it was made harder by the notion that they took a back seat to less compelling characters in VII and VIII. Even with those challenges, as movies they're better IMHO.

namepeace said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

I don't know, I guess all the movies had a few audiences. I mean Sci Fi like SW still appeal to the young at heart. And there are a lot of 'toys' and sculptured pieces that were intended for adult collectors. I think he could have went darker with Episode I because there was a lot of stuff happening in the shadows, not to mention, Darth Sidious master was still alive. But having read some of the books leading up to Episode I, I don't see a 'geared toward children' message.

Fair points. But even Lucas himself concedes his target audience was kids (for the entire saga).
https://www.syfy.com/syfy...s-prequels

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Filmmaking is cool, but I'm looking at the Star Wars universe story. As far as how they connect to the Star Wars continuum, VII VIII fail. Good filmmaking is good of course, but if it fails to bridge the storylines, how is that superior. It didn't do the job. Nothing as far as lightsabers and the Force in Abrams and Johnsons stories are true to Star Wars. and so many other things. Johnson contradicts Abrams movie.

Regardless of who the filmmakers were, the sequels were going to have two huge issues. One was how to extend the film storylines which were essentially resolved by the OT. Disney chose to basically make the rich storylines of the EU apocryphal, which meant the producers, writers and directors to craft their own storylines which were inevitably going to be compared unfavorably to the EU storylines by many fans.

The second issue was Father Time. The main characters were all senior citizens at the time production of VII began. Continuity was going to be hard, and it was made harder by the notion that they took a back seat to less compelling characters in VII and VIII. Even with those challenges, as movies they're better IMHO.

I cannot with the new movies. It just cannot happen and I tried. I cannot ignore what is.
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I wish they would have left everything as it was and told star wars stories. Like Solo, Do some Clone Wars movies, some SW stories during the Empires reign. Told some stories focusing on other characters we would have loved to see on film. Just have the originals in the background here and there running the New Jedi Order and the New Republic.
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There are soooooo many stories and characters already fleshed out that fans would have gone crazy over seeing on film.

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None of the characters in the Disney sequels grabs me....most of them are poorly written and fucking annoying. Aside from that stupid Jar-Jar, the prequels had Mace, Darth Maul, General Grevious, Sidious/Palpatine, Jango, Dooku, etc. I tried, but the new group doesn't do it for me. I'm passing on Ep.IX unless my friends tell me it's can't-miss. If I have to see Rose or Finn on the big screen again.....

Because of the D23 trailer. It is my guess that the Emperor is talking to Rey in the fade out where we hear Darth Vader breathe than cut to REY. I believe that indicates she is Darth Vader's child. (By way of cloning or artificial insemination after Darth vaders death from DNA storage.) She will be tempted to the dark, but will NOT go dark. Of course it's a guess! What do you think?

uPtoWnNY said:

kewlschool said:

EmmaMcG said:

uPtoWnNY said:

None of the characters in the Disney sequels grabs me....most of them are poorly written and fucking annoying. Aside from that stupid Jar-Jar, the prequels had Mace, Darth Maul, General Grevious, Sidious/Palpatine, Jango, Dooku, etc. I tried, but the new group doesn't do it for me. I'm passing on Ep.IX unless my friends tell me it's can't-miss. If I have to see Rose or Finn on the big screen again.....

Were the characters in the prequels really that good? Darth Maul looked cool but he didn't really do anything and had very few lines. Mace Windu is only really memorable because he had a cool lightsaber but other than that he was a waste of Samuel L Jackson. Jango was alright, much better than Boba anyway. General Grievous felt very underwritten. Now I know his story was probably fleshed out a lot more in the cartoon and books but just judging from the movies, he never came across as much of a threat. As I mentioned, I only just watched the prequels again so they're all still fresh in my memory, and in all 3 movies there are only 2 characters in there that I feel would have improved the new sequels. Obi Wan Kenobi - George Lucas is infamous for his awful dialogue so it's extra impressive that Ewan Mcgregor not only put in the single best performance in the entire trilogy but, in my opinion, was even better in the role than the great Alec Guinness. Palpatine - OK, so this is kind of a guilty pleasure of mine. I understand a lot of the complaints about how these Master Jedi, Yoda, Obi Wan, Mace, Qui Gon etc were all fooled by what was so obviously a villain who was pretending to be good. I mean, he actually couldn't have been more obvious if he'd worn a sign that said, "I'm a bad guy". So yeah, it was very poorly written but at the same time, I thought Palpatine was just brilliant. Pretty much every scene he's in is pure gold but my favourite is when he and Anakin are looking at that floaty bubble thing (seriously, what the fuck was that?) and he's telling him about Darth Plageous. The entire scene is just one big meme, it's great. The sequels would have been better with him in it, especially if he said stuff like "Let the hate flow through you". George Lucas dialogue may be shit but nobody says it better than Palpatine.

Yes, they were.

What SW fans wanted to see since ROTJ and advances in movie technology, was to see Force users doing their thing. And I II III gave us that.

What we got in VII and VIII were non force users welding lightsaber made and forged so only a Force user could effectively us it. And on top of that he-Finn fought a trained Force user...all kinds of wrong. And then we saw a non trained Force user tapping into the Force ina way that No Force user ever has or ever could and on top of that, manhandle Luke Skywalker with the Force. Wrongs of all kinds.

So use Darth Maul gave us real dark side user on screen. And in the novels that lead up to that movie as well as his stories after gave wonderful background on this character. He made sense on and off screen. The Emperor said that Maul was formed to be a shadowed killer that obeyed. But was temporary pawn in the master plan.

Well Mace Windu follows in the same vein as what I said about Darth Maul, but Mace strength resonated in his role. So by the time we see him almost take down Darth Sidious it is not a suprise. His stories in the novels and comics as well give wonderful background on him and why he was able to go head up with the Sith Lord. If it wasn't for Anakin, Mace would have struck him down.

Jango, was mostly to connect the origins of the Clones, the Mandalorians and Bob Fett. He served his purpose, just right.

Actually the story of Palpatine was perfectly written. There is a reason they were not able to sense him. And it is a bit similar to why Yoda's presence was not sensed on Dagobah. I too, questioned that before.

And there is more to them focusing on Palpatine as the Sith Lord. Mace and Yoda briefly mention it in the movie. There is a novel that comes right before SW ROTS that leads right into the movie. It is very good and the mystery and danger of discovering who Palpatine is is revealed in it.

My nephews love the line 'Do it!!' when he tells Anakin to kill Darth Tyranus. I even use it now in that same voice lol

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There are many Jedi who escaped Order 66, and I thought bringing some of them back for VI VII VIII would have been better than the direction the movies took.

Again, so many already fleshed out characters and stories that could have made picked up and given us a real Star Wars movie was missed. Have you read the Thrawn Trilogy yet? It is a must and you will understand 100% everything I say.

EmmaMcG said:

kewlschool said:

Because of the D23 trailer. It is my guess that the Emperor is talking to Rey in the fade out where we hear Darth Vader breathe than cut to REY. I believe that indicates she is Darth Vader's child. (By way of cloning or artificial insemination after Darth vaders death from DNA storage.) She will be tempted to the dark, but will NOT go dark. Of course it's a guess! What do you think?

Sounds reasonable. I definitely think she's related to the Skywalkers in some way. Hence the name of the movie. I personally think she's Leia's kid though.

I think it's more apt to be a clone. If it where a born family member they would feel the force by family connection THAT did not happen.

kewlschool said:

EmmaMcG said:

uPtoWnNY said:

None of the characters in the Disney sequels grabs me....most of them are poorly written and fucking annoying. Aside from that stupid Jar-Jar, the prequels had Mace, Darth Maul, General Grevious, Sidious/Palpatine, Jango, Dooku, etc. I tried, but the new group doesn't do it for me. I'm passing on Ep.IX unless my friends tell me it's can't-miss. If I have to see Rose or Finn on the big screen again.....

Were the characters in the prequels really that good? Darth Maul looked cool but he didn't really do anything and had very few lines. Mace Windu is only really memorable because he had a cool lightsaber but other than that he was a waste of Samuel L Jackson. Jango was alright, much better than Boba anyway. General Grievous felt very underwritten. Now I know his story was probably fleshed out a lot more in the cartoon and books but just judging from the movies, he never came across as much of a threat. As I mentioned, I only just watched the prequels again so they're all still fresh in my memory, and in all 3 movies there are only 2 characters in there that I feel would have improved the new sequels. Obi Wan Kenobi - George Lucas is infamous for his awful dialogue so it's extra impressive that Ewan Mcgregor not only put in the single best performance in the entire trilogy but, in my opinion, was even better in the role than the great Alec Guinness. Palpatine - OK, so this is kind of a guilty pleasure of mine. I understand a lot of the complaints about how these Master Jedi, Yoda, Obi Wan, Mace, Qui Gon etc were all fooled by what was so obviously a villain who was pretending to be good. I mean, he actually couldn't have been more obvious if he'd worn a sign that said, "I'm a bad guy". So yeah, it was very poorly written but at the same time, I thought Palpatine was just brilliant. Pretty much every scene he's in is pure gold but my favourite is when he and Anakin are looking at that floaty bubble thing (seriously, what the fuck was that?) and he's telling him about Darth Plageous. The entire scene is just one big meme, it's great. The sequels would have been better with him in it, especially if he said stuff like "Let the hate flow through you". George Lucas dialogue may be shit but nobody says it better than Palpatine.

I've heard some fans say that 'floaty bubble' represented sperm cells fertilising the egg....whatever, it's open to interpretation.

The novel "Dark Lord - The Rise of Darth Vader" goes into detail as to why the Jedi didn't see the disaster coming. They had become lazy, greedy, doing the biddings of shady planetary governors. They lost their way, and Palpatine/Sidious played them like a harp. Dark Lord is an excellent book, worthy of a movie.

uPtoWnNY said:

EmmaMcG said:

uPtoWnNY said: Were the characters in the prequels really that good? Darth Maul looked cool but he didn't really do anything and had very few lines. Mace Windu is only really memorable because he had a cool lightsaber but other than that he was a waste of Samuel L Jackson. Jango was alright, much better than Boba anyway. General Grievous felt very underwritten. Now I know his story was probably fleshed out a lot more in the cartoon and books but just judging from the movies, he never came across as much of a threat. As I mentioned, I only just watched the prequels again so they're all still fresh in my memory, and in all 3 movies there are only 2 characters in there that I feel would have improved the new sequels. Obi Wan Kenobi - George Lucas is infamous for his awful dialogue so it's extra impressive that Ewan Mcgregor not only put in the single best performance in the entire trilogy but, in my opinion, was even better in the role than the great Alec Guinness. Palpatine - OK, so this is kind of a guilty pleasure of mine. I understand a lot of the complaints about how these Master Jedi, Yoda, Obi Wan, Mace, Qui Gon etc were all fooled by what was so obviously a villain who was pretending to be good. I mean, he actually couldn't have been more obvious if he'd worn a sign that said, "I'm a bad guy". So yeah, it was very poorly written but at the same time, I thought Palpatine was just brilliant. Pretty much every scene he's in is pure gold but my favourite is when he and Anakin are looking at that floaty bubble thing (seriously, what the fuck was that?) and he's telling him about Darth Plageous. The entire scene is just one big meme, it's great. The sequels would have been better with him in it, especially if he said stuff like "Let the hate flow through you". George Lucas dialogue may be shit but nobody says it better than Palpatine.

I've heard some fans say that 'floaty bubble' represented sperm cells fertilising the egg....whatever, it's open to interpretation.

The novel "Dark Lord - The Rise of Darth Vader" goes into detail as to why the Jedi didn't see the disaster coming. They had become lazy, greedy, doing the biddings of shady planetary governors. They lost their way, and Palpatine/Sidious played them like a harp. Dark Lord is an excellent book, worthy of a movie.

Great book

I like Darth Vaders close encounter with Leia the baby

And when Vader is talking to Palpatine, and Palpatine tells him if he faced Yoda, that Yoda would have done worse to him than Obiwan

OldFriends4Sale said:

uPtoWnNY said:

I've heard some fans say that 'floaty bubble' represented sperm cells fertilising the egg....whatever, it's open to interpretation.

The novel "Dark Lord - The Rise of Darth Vader" goes into detail as to why the Jedi didn't see the disaster coming. They had become lazy, greedy, doing the biddings of shady planetary governors. They lost their way, and Palpatine/Sidious played them like a harp. Dark Lord is an excellent book, worthy of a movie.

Great book

I like Darth Vaders close encounter with Leia the baby

And when Vader is talking to Palpatine, and Palpatine tells him if he faced Yoda, that Yoda would have done worse to him than Obiwan

...or when a dying Jedi Master Shryne tells Vader about a vision he just had (which is the Battle of Endor).

Today I learned that there are Star Wars books...I seriously didn't know.

Sometimes I feel like such a dumbass. Which is good, it keeps me from thinking I know something.

uPtoWnNY said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Great book

I like Darth Vaders close encounter with Leia the baby

And when Vader is talking to Palpatine, and Palpatine tells him if he faced Yoda, that Yoda would have done worse to him than Obiwan

...or when a dying Jedi Master Shryne tells Vader about a vision he just had (which is the Battle of Endor).

Man!! so much material that could have been the next Star Wars movies

S2DG said:

Today I learned that there are Star Wars books...I seriously didn't know.

Sometimes I feel like such a dumbass. Which is good, it keeps me from thinking I know something.

I've been having conversations with someone I work with who is in his upper 20s and he didn't know about the books either lol He is not reading SW A Splinter of the Minds Eye and SW Tales of Jabbas' Palace short stories: (the one about the Emperors Hand being sent to Tatoonie to kill Skywalker)

Then he's going to start on The Thrawn Trilogy lol I of course have all the books for him

OldFriends4Sale said:

S2DG said:

Today I learned that there are Star Wars books...I seriously didn't know.

Sometimes I feel like such a dumbass. Which is good, it keeps me from thinking I know something.

I've been having conversations with someone I work with who is in his upper 20s and he didn't know about the books either lol He is not reading SW A Splinter of the Minds Eye and SW Tales of Jabbas' Palace short stories: (the one about the Emperors Hand being sent to Tatoonie to kill Skywalker)

Then he's going to start on The Thrawn Trilogy lol I of course have all the books for him

Which book would you recommend starting with?

S2DG said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

I've been having conversations with someone I work with who is in his upper 20s and he didn't know about the books either lol He is not reading SW A Splinter of the Minds Eye and SW Tales of Jabbas' Palace short stories: (the one about the Emperors Hand being sent to Tatoonie to kill Skywalker)

Then he's going to start on The Thrawn Trilogy lol I of course have all the books for him

Which book would you recommend starting with?

Sorry I meant ' He is NOW reading SW A Splinter of the Minds Eye'...

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When it comes to Star Wars what area is you biggest interest? The Empire, the Force(Sith-Jedi-Force users) the Rebellion/Republic, etc?

OldFriends4Sale said:

S2DG said:

Which book would you recommend starting with?

Sorry I meant ' He is NOW reading SW A Splinter of the Minds Eye'...

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When it comes to Star Wars what area is you biggest interest? The Empire, the Force(Sith-Jedi-Force users) the Rebellion/Republic, etc?

It's the story itself that I find interesting. All of these subjects you mention are all just part of one big story, am I correct in thinking about it like this?

EmmaMcG said:

kewlschool said:

I think it's more apt to be a clone. If it where a born family member they would feel the force by family connection THAT did not happen.

Good point. Although Star Wars, as a whole, is not without its fair share of plot holes so anything is possible.

Shhh. That's a well known secret!

S2DG said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Sorry I meant ' He is NOW reading SW A Splinter of the Minds Eye'...

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When it comes to Star Wars what area is you biggest interest? The Empire, the Force(Sith-Jedi-Force users) the Rebellion/Republic, etc?

It's the story itself that I find interesting. All of these subjects you mention are all just part of one big story, am I correct in thinking about it like this?

Yes, it all makes up Star Wars. Even when some stories have nothing to do with Jedi, the abscence of it or there are mentions of whispers of the Jedi of old or someone who did something that might suggest they were force sensitive. So we don't go off topic. I'll create a different thread about the SW Legends books

https://prince.org/msg/100/460896

Star Wars LEGENDS books stories and characters

Disney is trying really hard right now to fill in the gaps and try to make the last Episode work now

How Anakin and Padmé Inspired Star Wars: Galaxy’s Edge – A Crash of Fate

Zoraida Córdova, the author of the new YA novel out this summer, tells StarWars.com about crafting a 24-hour love story on Batuu and subverting classic tropes.

Like Luke Skywalker before him, Jules makes his home on a far-flung planet but dreams of piloting his own ship among the stars. Meanwhile, his childhood friend Izzy has chosen a life of smuggling after her parents were killed; despite her adventurous existence what she really craves is a place to call home. At Black Spire Outpost they find their lives intertwined in the new YA romance novel Star Wars: Galaxy’s Edge – A Crash of Fate.

“They’re both at the same place in their lives,” says the book’s author Zoraida Córdova. “If this were a YA rom-com, it would probably be the summer before college where they’re trying to figure out ‘what do I do with my life?’”

The teen romance takes place over the course of a single day on Batuu, which was recently brought to life on Earth at Disneyland Resort and opening August 29 at Walt Disney World Resort. But long before the first visitors stepped foot inside the new themed land, Córdova was pouring over concept art and schematics, getting to know shopkeeper Dok-Ondar, and recreating the land for her own story. “That’s where that crazy writer imagination really has to come in,” she says. “You really have to sit there and visualize.”

Her storytelling arsenal included a detailed map of the Outpost. “I had a lot of source materials for the actual theme park,” she says. “For me, maps are really important when it comes to fantasy books. I know where to place everybody once I know where that map is.” Córdova routinely uses small figurines to construct the plot, like a general hatching a war strategy.

That was even more important for a story that takes place in a location that hadn’t yet been fully realized but where readers would soon be able to venture on their own. “It incorporates lands beyond, but the majority of it does take place on the Outpost,” Córdova says. “And there are some sections of the theme park where you can’t go as a visitor, but in the book those places are explored.”

Like Anakin and Padmé

In A Crash of Fate, Izzy and Jules start out as best friends, climbing the spires near the Outpost for fun when they’re just six years old then leaps into the future. “Izzy’s parents left for reasons that she never really understood while Jules’s family stayed on Batuu,” Córdova says. “And this story picks up 13 years later when they sort of crash into each other very literally.” Jules quickly falls in love, while Izzy is focused on the job she’s been hired to complete. After all, she’s in this life for good.

To capture the budding romance, Córdova studied classic archetypes in the Star Wars saga, including taking a second spin through Lost Stars by Claudia Gray and giving a closer examination to the forbidden romance of Anakin Skywalker and Padmé Amidala. “I definitely try to lean into that I think,” she says. “There’s a lot of pining on Jules’s part.”

To capture that angst, she rewatched episodes of Star Wars: The Clone Wars, including “Hostage Crisis.” “It’s the episode where Anakin gives Padmé his lightsaber and he’s like ‘You want to know how much I love you? I’m going to give you something I’m not supposed to give you because we’re not supposed to be together. That’s how much I love you.’” Although not forbidden by the Jedi Order, the romance between Izzy and Jules is rife with other complications. “Their emotions just feel larger than life. They can be together, but the thing that’s sort of keeping them apart is what they want in life and also the truncated time period. It’s 24 hours so all of their feelings are magnified.”

‘The boy next door’

Córdova’s story also inverts some classic romance and gender stereotypes. “She’s the aspiring smuggler and he’s the boy next door,” she says, turning the classic roguish-rebel-meets-girl-next-door storyline on its head. “I am a romance writer as well as a young adult author, so for me it’s about taking tropes and elevating them.”

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