New official poster

With the way TLJ ended, I'm thinking these two might be on the same side

That's a cool image though

Hudson said:

New official poster

I read the description of the footage shown and (highlight to read in case people don't want to read a possible spoiler) : it seems they will be switching sides maybe, Rey will have a black hood and a red double bladed light sabre like Darth Maul's sabe.

OldFriends4Sale said:

With the way TLJ ended, I'm thinking these two might be on the same side

That's a cool image though

Hudson said:

New official poster

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Since the footage was posted on the official youtube and twitter today I won't consider the above a spoiler.

Hudson said:

Hudson said:

Since the footage was posted on the official youtube and twitter today I won't consider the above a spoiler.

Wow, just saw it, thanks!

EmmaMcG said:

Hudson said:

Since the footage was posted on the official youtube and twitter today I won't consider the above a spoiler.

For a while now I've been thinking that Kylo Ren may turn out to be a good guy and that Rey might be the true villain. At first it was a crazy "what if" scenario. Then they announced the name of the movie as The Rise Of Skywalker. As far as we know, Rey is not a Skywalker. But Kylo Ren kind of is. So if a Skywalker is going to rise, it's possible that it might be Kylo Ren the title is referring to. Perhaps my crazy "what if" scenario is not so crazy. However, now we have this new footage of Rey with a red lightsabre and looking villainous. So on the one hand, I'm kind of thinking that my crazy theory is actually true. But, I'm also thinking that this new footage is confirmation that it's definitely NOT true. I mean, if they were going to pull the old switcheroo, they'd most likely want to keep that part of the plot completely under wraps. The fact that they've put that in the trailer suggests to me that it's nothing more than a red herring, intended to throw people off the real twist. In other words, I don't think this shot means much, if anything.

Me too think it's a diversion. Kylo killing Han is unforgivable and no matter what good he does and how Jedi like he might becaome he'll always be the guy that killed Solo.
I think he's the most interesting character and most fleshed out of all the new ones and I still get the feeling Rey is just there to enhance other people's stories, I couldn't care less what happens to her character, which is quite sad, she could have been a great character but I don't think this last movie can save her.

JorisE73 said:

EmmaMcG said:

JorisE73 said:

Me too think it's a diversion. Kylo killing Han is unforgivable and no matter what good he does and how Jedi like he might becaome he'll always be the guy that killed Solo.
I think he's the most interesting character and most fleshed out of all the new ones and I still get the feeling Rey is just there to enhance other people's stories, I couldn't care less what happens to her character, which is quite sad, she could have been a great character but I don't think this last movie can save her.

This is probably a bit of a controversial opinion but I felt the same way about Luke Skywalker as you feel about Rey. Han Solo is the hero of the original trilogy as far as I'm concerned.

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OldFriends4Sale said:

EmmaMcG said:

This is probably a bit of a controversial opinion but I felt the same way about Luke Skywalker as you feel about Rey. Han Solo is the hero of the original trilogy as far as I'm concerned.

But Luke wasn't considered the hero of the original. Luke Leia Han Chewbacca C-3P0 and R2-D2 were called the Heroes.

its semantics, but Luke was indeed the protagonist of the original. In storytelling they call Luke's arc, "the hero's journey"

Ugot2shakesumthin said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

But Luke wasn't considered the hero of the original. Luke Leia Han Chewbacca C-3P0 and R2-D2 were called the Heroes.

its semantics, but Luke was indeed the protagonist of the original. In storytelling they call Luke's arc, "the hero's journey"

OldFriends4Sale said:

Ugot2shakesumthin said:

its semantics, but Luke was indeed the protagonist of the original. In storytelling they call Luke's arc, "the hero's journey"

I know it was the 'Adventures of Luke Skywalker' but the collective were seen as the heroes from IV V VI and into the comics and novels

google "hero's journey" and tell me what you get.

OldFriends4Sale said:

Ugot2shakesumthin said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

I know it was the 'Adventures of Luke Skywalker' but the collective were seen as the heroes from IV V VI and into the comics and novels

google "hero's journey" and tell me what you get.

EmmaMcG said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

But Luke wasn't considered the hero of the original. Luke Leia Han Chewbacca C-3P0 and R2-D2 were called the Heroes.

Yeah, that's probably fair. But for me, if Harrison Ford is in it, he's the hero. Especially young Harrison Ford.

Yes, I understand some people zeroed in more on Han Solos journey over the others. It was a different world vs Lukes or Leia's or R2/C3PO etc

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There is no real reason for Han to have died. And how it happened was stupid.
There is no way he would have risked that mission and the lives of those who were with him to have a heart to heart with his traiterous dark sided son.

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Harrison Ford always had a weird synopsis of the characters he played

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OldFriends4Sale said:

Ugot2shakesumthin said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

I know it was the 'Adventures of Luke Skywalker' but the collective were seen as the heroes from IV V VI and into the comics and novels

google "hero's journey" and tell me what you get.

The fundamental challenge in determining "whose" saga it was that the first 2/3 of the saga was filmed out of order over the course of nearly 30 years.

I think it's Anakin's series, and it always has been. But of course that's subject to debate.

Lucas famously credited Joseph Campbell's The Hero With A Thousand Faces as the central influence of the saga. And although he may have been influenced by filmmakers like Kurosawa and the Flash Gordon serials of his youth, he could not have created a new mythology all his own without Campbell.

https://www.youtube.com/w...F7Wwew8X4Y

EmmaMcG said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Yes, I understand some people zeroed in more on Han Solos journey over the others. It was a different world vs Lukes or Leia's or R2/C3PO etc

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There is no real reason for Han to have died. And how it happened was stupid.
There is no way he would have risked that mission and the lives of those who were with him to have a heart to heart with his traiterous dark sided son.

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Harrison Ford always had a weird synopsis of the characters he played

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I didn't like when they killed Han Solo but I did kind of like how they killed him. Obviously you know these characters better than I do but for me, it made sense that Han would try to talk Kylo around. No matter how evil he may have become, he's still Han's son. And, as a parent myself, I know that no matter what my daughter may do, she's still my daughter and I'd always be willing to forgive any and all transgressions. So for me, it made sense that he'd at least try to help his son. The fact that Kylo killed him solidified himself as a true villain with no chance of redemption. Similar to how Anakin killed the younglings in Episode 3.

Of course the death had to be dramatic. Over a bottomless pit

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I still don't believe Han, understanding stuff about the dark side himself, would have risked the mission. He could have gotten everyone with him killed/captured etc. He could have tried talking to him, but it would have been outside of a mission. And he never seemed to try prior to Leia asking him too.

Which also did not make sense General Leia Organa would never ask Han to so something like that at such an important time. Luke went to try to save his father and she told him to run away, she knew it would risk the Rebellion mission on Endor. And Luke having the Force almost did not make it out alive himself.

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Duty came before all that stuff. .

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I'm mean we are not talking about humans/beings in our time.

We don't have the Force, and planet sized, star/planet destroyers.

Tough Love is real in our time too. There would be a time and place for an attempt at reconciling, and Leia, having gone through what she had and being sharpened to be able to make tough galaxy changing decisions, would not have risked the mission

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Also Leia consoling Rey at Hans death, but not Chewbacca was another miss. Rey knew Han for a total of a days time. Chewbacca had a Life Debt to Han and to Leia and their children, not to mention they were best of friends for over 40yrs. The whole death tale was broken writing.

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Is this an outtake from TLJ??

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namepeace said:

BombSquad said:

standard reply by anyone not willing/able to adress the issues and problems of that clusterfuck movie.

you can do better than that. try again.

The article beats a dead "Fathier"

We all know the film has its flaws. The article re-hashes several of them. The problem is that the plot holes identified by the author may be tied up in TRoS , which hasn't been released. No need to bicker about plot holes in an incomplete trilogy. If those holes aren't filled in 4 months, then it's time to complain.

sure it's incomplete, and I am confident JJ will conclude the most essential open points
it might turn out to be rushed though, if he tries to squeeze everything in
they had 7 to 8 hours to lay out this whole new trilogy, and simply wasted 2.5 of them

Rian wasted an ENTIRE movie and failed to drive the story forward even one single bit. the main characters were seperated almost the entire time, so the relations and character development got stuck. that's like if ESB would have dropped the romantic stings beetween Leia and Han (or Luke) and told compeltely seperated stories of those three instead.
so I stand by my opinion that it was just bad bad storytelling

if in the end you cut all events from TLJ then what would be missing form the overall story arc?
if you remove the entire movie and replace it with an opening crawl for EP9 starting with "Luke Skywalker has died" then essentailly all is said and nothing will be really missed.
TLJ is to the new trilogy what Canto Bight is to TLJ
the new Machete Order should certainly not include TLJ, at least for me. I even prefer Attack of the Clones to this



I'm still confident JJ will somehow fix it though

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BombSquad said:

namepeace said:

The article beats a dead "Fathier"

We all know the film has its flaws. The article re-hashes several of them. The problem is that the plot holes identified by the author may be tied up in TRoS , which hasn't been released. No need to bicker about plot holes in an incomplete trilogy. If those holes aren't filled in 4 months, then it's time to complain.

sure it's incomplete, and I am confident JJ will conclude the most essential open points
it might turn out to be rushed though, if he tries to squeeze everything in
they had 7 to 8 hours to lay out this whole new trilogy, and simply wasted 2.5 of them

Rian wasted an ENTIRE movie and failed to drive the story forward even one single bit. the main characters were seperated almost the entire time, so the relations and character development got stuck. that's like if ESB would have dropped the romantic stings beetween Leia and Han (or Luke) and told compeltely seperated stories of those three instead.
so I stand by my opinion that it was just bad bad storytelling

if in the end you cut all events from TLJ then what would be missing form the overall story arc?
if you remove the entire movie and replace it with an opening crawl for EP9 starting with "Luke Skywalker has died" then essentailly all is said and nothing will be really missed.
TLJ is to the whole nonology what Canto Bight is to TLJ
the new Machete Order should certainly not include TLJ, at least for me. I even prefer Attack of the Clones to this



I'm still confident JJ will somehow fix it though

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OldFriends4Sale said:

It is starting to look like the Rise of Skywalker is going to be what should have been the follow up of TFA.

indeed. they should cut it in two movies like they did with Harry Potter or Mockingjay

OldFriends4Sale said:

Is this an outtake from TLJ??

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Yes -- when Luke went into the Falcon and encountered R2.,

BombSquad said:

namepeace said:

The article beats a dead "Fathier"

We all know the film has its flaws. The article re-hashes several of them. The problem is that the plot holes identified by the author may be tied up in TRoS , which hasn't been released. No need to bicker about plot holes in an incomplete trilogy. If those holes aren't filled in 4 months, then it's time to complain.

My first line in this entire thread was that TLJ is a flawed movie.

sure it's incomplete, and I am confident JJ will conclude the most essential open points
it might turn out to be rushed though, if he tries to squeeze everything in
they had 7 to 8 hours to lay out this whole new trilogy, and simply wasted 2.5 of them

Well, I'm not so hard on TLJ. I'd say the Canto Bight sequence (meaningless) and the hyperspace chase (which paralleled ESB's space chase) were filler.

Rian wasted an ENTIRE movie and failed to drive the story forward even one single bit. the main characters were seperated almost the entire time, so the relations and character development got stuck. that's like if ESB would have dropped the romantic stings beetween Leia and Han (or Luke) and told compeltely seperated stories of those three instead.
so I stand by my opinion that it was just bad bad storytelling

I think Rian wanted to focus more on Luke's arc and the dynamics of Ben and Rey.

if in the end you cut all events from TLJ then what would be missing form the overall story arc?
if you remove the entire movie and replace it with an opening crawl for EP9 starting with "Luke Skywalker has died" then essentailly all is said and nothing will be really missed. TLJ is to the new trilogy what Canto Bight is to TLJ the new Machete Order should certainly not include TLJ, at least for me. I even prefer Attack of the Clones to this

You're certainly not alone. My guess is that Lucasfilm felt the same way otherwise Rian would be directing TRoS. I prefer to see it as a good movie with obvious flaws, and I think it will age better with time.

I'm still confident JJ will somehow fix it though

I think perhaps TRoS will even put TLJ in clearer context.

History repeats itself. As I recall, Irwin Kershner faced the same blowback after Empire, was booted off the film, and after RoTJ, appreciation for Empire only grew.
It may not happen here, but it could.

Read Kershner's reflections here.

https://www.vanityfair.co...n-kershner

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Ugot2shakesumthin said: