OldFriends4Sale said:

EmmaMcG said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

We are witnessing the destruction and defacing of a Legacy.

The Emperor also did not like non human species

Hmm... Now that you mention it, I actually have a lot in common with the emperor. A hatred for non humans, a lust for power, the ability to manipulate the most powerful jedi/most gullable idiot in the galaxy. Plus, we can both shoot lightning from our fingertips. Now, I'm not saying that I am the emperor but you've never seen us in the same room at the same time...

EmmaMcG said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Do you understand who fans were assaulting Lucus, prior?

Shithop music is very successful too, doesn't mean it is quality lol

The Last Jedi is one of the highest rated Star Wars movies amongst film critics. It's not just general audiences that enjoyed it.

they watched after ingesting

that is like the people who say LotusFlow3r is just as good as SOTT lol

I loved the Porgs in The Last Jedi I hope they will be in Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker (2019)

droids and non human species in Star Wars I tend to love them all

Goddess4Real said:

I loved the Porgs in The Last Jedi I hope they will be in Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker (2019)

I liked it

Yeah, The Force Awakens and The Last Jedi are both pretty crappy. But TLJ? It really is unwatchable.

I can’t say I’m gonna boycott Episode IX, but I will say I will not pay my money to sit in a theatre and watch it. I simply do not care about these new characters, or what happens to them.

As for the Star Wars franchise, they should have stuck with animated series and left the big screen alone at this point. Or possibly a live action series, especially about the ancient Sith. But no more movies!

Adisa said:

EmmaMcG said:

Adisa said:

Yeah, The Force Awakens and The Last Jedi are both pretty crappy. But TLJ? It really is unwatchable.

I can’t say I’m gonna boycott Episode IX, but I will say I will not pay my money to sit in a theatre and watch it. I simply do not care about these new characters, or what happens to them.

As for the Star Wars franchise, they should have stuck with animated series and left the big screen alone at this point. Or possibly a live action series, especially about the ancient Sith. But no more movies!

They're raking it in at the box office. Like them or not, as long as they're bringing in the cash, Disney will continue making Star Wars movies.

Now we know bringing in the cash doesn't equate to quality.

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Look at how people initially responded to the 1982 movie Blade Runner, then about 5yr later onward something else happens.

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I know you new gens have to have something for yourself, so I try to be empathetic lol

Can someone explain why this character was created just to do nothing(in novels or film) but get killed in the movie?

OldFriends4Sale said:

EmmaMcG said:

Adisa said: They're raking it in at the box office. Like them or not, as long as they're bringing in the cash, Disney will continue making Star Wars movies.

Now we know bringing in the cash doesn't equate to quality.

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Look at how people initially responded to the 1982 movie Blade Runner, then about 5yr later onward something else happens.

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I know you new gens have to have something for yourself, so I try to be empathetic lol

Right. LOL. And here's the thing...ROTS was released in 2005 an TFA in 2015. That's a ten year gap, and they were doing just fine without the movies. They brought Ep 7-9 back to continue the Skywalker saga, and they screwed it up big time.

Nobody cares what happens to Rey, Finn, Poe, or Kylo Ren.

Even Kylo is like 'what in hell is going on with the Star Wars Disney universe?'

In my rants and criticisms of this new direction, I want you all to know, I still look into it. I'm a serious SW NERD. So I'm someone who is very academic with Star Wars information, ideals, etc

That being said I'm not having a knee jerk reaction to these movies and direction. I went to the theater to see TFA. I kept an open mind. I judged the movie rationally and even after buying the Art of the Force Awakens book etc my conclusion stands as it is. AND I'm still intrigued with concept arts of the movies. But I'm more a fan of the concept art and ideals than the films.

I think your points were well considered.

I think most fanboys and fangirls (and I'd count myself in that number) love the concepts and ideas of the saga even more than the saga itself.

I also love the fan theories and concepts. I'm a fan of SW Theory on YouTube, as well as the Shards fan film. I love the supercuts fans put together.

OldFriends4Sale said:

Ugot2shakesumthin said:

The Last Jedi, unlike TFA is not a retread by any stretch of the imagination. On the contrary, some were taken aback by how Johnson made it his own. Someone here just a few posts up saying it strayed too far from Lucas's vision.

Explain. Because the similarities of TLJ with a combination of ESB and ROTJ are very retready.

Yes there are only 3-4 people discussing here lol so we don't have to be 'indirect' You know I said Johnson strayed from Lucas vision. And he contradicted things JJ set in motion.

I have been with Ugot2 on most of this thread, but TLJ, like ESB, has central themes of disruption (circumstances split the main heroes of the story) and failure. There are similarities -- the space pursuit, the capture of the heroes, the "training fails" of the apprentice. There are also callbacks to TFA in Luke's sacrifice for his apprentice and the "rebels" and to ROTJ with the Dark Apprentice taking down the Dark Master.

TLJ re-shapes and refreshes the angles, but they're there.

OldFriends4Sale said:

Adisa said:

Yeah, The Force Awakens and The Last Jedi are both pretty crappy. But TLJ? It really is unwatchable.

I can’t say I’m gonna boycott Episode IX, but I will say I will not pay my money to sit in a theatre and watch it. I simply do not care about these new characters, or what happens to them.

As for the Star Wars franchise, they should have stuck with animated series and left the big screen alone at this point. Or possibly a live action series, especially about the ancient Sith. But no more movies!

Co-sign...I have no intention of seeing Ep. IX either. Fool me once....

It will be interesting to see how The Rise Of Skywalker opens.
Strong opinions aside, I'm pretty sure it will be a huge opening weekend.

...second weekend? I won't guess..

One really bonkers thing I've seen is when people bring up Kathleen Kennedy and feminism.
WTF

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so there is some nerd politics involved because on a purely filmmaking level, the film is amazing.All the movie critics agree. And everyone is entitled to their opinions and the hate is fine, if that's your opinion, but do think it is weird. It's not like the movie is anywhere near prequels or Solo bad.

Ugot2shakesumthin said:

EmmaMcG said:

Ugot2shakesumthin said:

One really bonkers thing I've seen is when people bring up Kathleen Kennedy and feminism.
WTF

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so there is some nerd politics involved because on a purely filmmaking level, the film is amazing.All the movie critics agree. And everyone is entitled to their opinions and the hate is fine, if that's your opinion, but do think it is weird. It's not like the movie is anywhere near prequels or Solo bad.

I didn't think Solo was that bad to be honest. It's probably my least favourite of the recent movies but it had some decent moments. Same goes for Episode 3, the strongest movie of the prequel trilogy by a mile.

I give credit to the prequels for gusto and "trying" to do something original. A lot of imagination and work went into them. The end product wasn't very good, but I can't fault it for lack of effort.

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Solo was just phoned in. Besides everything else, It lacked creativity and imagination. I love Star Wars but I was so bored. I was nodding off by the third act.

Ugot2shakesumthin said:

EmmaMcG said:

Ugot2shakesumthin said:

I give credit to the prequels for gusto and "trying" to do something original. A lot of imagination and work went into them. The end product wasn't very good, but I can't fault it for lack of effort.

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Solo was just phoned in. Besides everything else, It lacked creativity and imagination. I love Star Wars but I was so bored. I was nodding off by the third act.

I've noticed something weird about this thread. Out of everyone here, I'm probably the one who is least a fan of Star Wars. And yet, I think I like more of the movies than the people who are actually fans. Lol.

Perhaps you're the least caught up in the baggage.

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so I looked at sites list of best to worst of the Star Wars films, and I mostly agree with the consensus. The top 3 are usually Empire Strikes Back, A new Hope and The Last Jedi.

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the worst three are usually the prequels with Phantom Menace right at the very bottom. Which it is.

EmmaMcG said:

Ugot2shakesumthin said:

I give credit to the prequels for gusto and "trying" to do something original. A lot of imagination and work went into them. The end product wasn't very good, but I can't fault it for lack of effort.

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Solo was just phoned in. Besides everything else, It lacked creativity and imagination. I love Star Wars but I was so bored. I was nodding off by the third act.

I've noticed something weird about this thread. Out of everyone here, I'm probably the one who is least a fan of Star Wars. And yet, I think I like more of the movies than the people who are actually fans. Lol.

lol well there is going to be a difference from someone who just watched a movie, and a fan.

As a SW fan I had the toys, I saw the films a few times in theaters and bought vhs and later DVD sets. I own 'the Making of/Art of books' I buy comics for the back stories, I have crates full of the novels. $$$

Like with Prince, real Prince fans know more than songs and albums.

Ugot2shakesumthin said:

EmmaMcG said:

Ugot2shakesumthin said: I've noticed something weird about this thread. Out of everyone here, I'm probably the one who is least a fan of Star Wars. And yet, I think I like more of the movies than the people who are actually fans. Lol.

Perhaps you're the least caught up in the baggage.

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so I looked at sites list of best to worst of the Star Wars films, and I mostly agree with the consensus. The top 3 are usually Empire Strikes Back, A new Hope and The Last Jedi.

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the worst three are usually the prequels with Phantom Menace right at the very bottom. Which it is.

Empire Strikes Back, A New Hope, Return of the Jedi, Revenge of the Sith, Clone Wars

There are some novels that if made into films would have been killer.

EmmaMcG said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Now we know bringing in the cash doesn't equate to quality.

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Look at how people initially responded to the 1982 movie Blade Runner, then about 5yr later onward something else happens.

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I know you new gens have to have something for yourself, so I try to be empathetic lol

New gens? Hahaha. I like that. Of course money does not equal quality. But Adisa said that Disney should stop making movies. My point was that due to the amount of money they're making, they have no reason to stop making Star Wars movies. Besides, despite a few "old gens" people do seem to enjoy the new movies. Like, I've never been a big Star Wars fan anyway so the entire saga means a lot less to me than most, but I enjoy the new movies for what they are. Entertaining movies for the whole family. Same reason I like the first two movies.

From the start, if it wasn't George's next 3 stories, I would have prefered stand alone SW stores vs what we are getting.

namepeace said:

In my rants and criticisms of this new direction, I want you all to know, I still look into it. I'm a serious SW NERD. So I'm someone who is very academic with Star Wars information, ideals, etc

That being said I'm not having a knee jerk reaction to these movies and direction. I went to the theater to see TFA. I kept an open mind. I judged the movie rationally and even after buying the Art of the Force Awakens book etc my conclusion stands as it is. AND I'm still intrigued with concept arts of the movies. But I'm more a fan of the concept art and ideals than the films.

I think your points were well considered.

I think most fanboys and fangirls (and I'd count myself in that number) love the concepts and ideas of the saga even more than the saga itself.

I also love the fan theories and concepts. I'm a fan of SW Theory on YouTube, as well as the Shards fan film. I love the supercuts fans put together.

and that remade ANH fight between Obiwan and Vader is awesome

EmmaMcG said:

Ugot2shakesumthin said:

One really bonkers thing I've seen is when people bring up Kathleen Kennedy and feminism.
WTF

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so there is some nerd politics involved because on a purely filmmaking level, the film is amazing.All the movie critics agree. And everyone is entitled to their opinions and the hate is fine, if that's your opinion, but do think it is weird. It's not like the movie is anywhere near prequels or Solo bad.

I didn't think Solo was that bad to be honest. It's probably my least favourite of the recent movies but it had some decent moments. Same goes for Episode 3, the strongest movie of the prequel trilogy by a mile.

I enjoyed Solo more than I thought I would. Of course overall it was telling the story fans knew of with the Kessel Run and Han leaving the Imperial military and meeting Chewbacca and getting the Falcon from Lando. Seeing the Imperial ship in the Kessel space was nice.

I think Episode 3 is very strong. Intense.
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I think Episode 1 could have been a different story. The one we got in film overall should have just been a novel. I get it, that there was a political manipulation that was huge in getting Palpatine/the Sith in power. Before the EMPIRE was formed. People wanted action after that long of period between movies. Also 1st Anakin was whiney, a lot of people didn't like the kid aspect of the film, and Jar Jar was too much. Another thing that sorta didn't work was that he tried to keep the mystery of the Emperor / Palpatine / Darth Sideous secret. When by this point we all knew that Palpatine was a Sith Lord. There is a novel that tells how he got to this point, that actually leaves off where Episode 1 picks up. It's much better.

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Attach of the Clones was a much better movie. Anakin was still a brat, Some things could have been left out and given room for other things.
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There are some really awesome novels that could have replaced or filled in the story lines.

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There is a novelDark Rendezvous nearing the end of the Clone Wars where Count Dooku, sent a note to his former master Yoda. He was wresting with his state of being. It was a combination of wanting to turn back to the light side and a chance to strike Yoda down. That novel was intense from beginning to end, THAT should have been a movie. Also there is a novel Labrynth of Evil that takes place prior to ROTS that ends off right where ROTS picks up. And it is GOOD. I thought that novel could have been a film released back to back with ROTS.

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Shatterpoint is another that could have been. All 3 of these mentioned deal closely with investigations, secrets almost revealed and action that points directly to ROTS

They used the title of this novel and I was thrown off for a minute.
This novel series is very good. It starts off right in the middle of the end of the ROTS with the Jedi Purge and the rise of the Empire, it's really good, shows the underworld of Coruscant, The Siths use of turned Jedi to the dark side, and a these few Force users underground.

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