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Reply #90 posted 08/09/19 7:31pm

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I need to take a philosophy course because I did not understand Shatterpoint at all.

I don't want to get eaten alive
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To be eaten alive
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I need to take a philosophy course because I did not understand Shatterpoint at all.

LOL It was intense

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Hudson said:

I need to take a philosophy course because I did not understand Shatterpoint at all.

LOL It was intense

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I haven't read it since 2004. smile

I don't want to get eaten alive
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Hudson said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

LOL It was intense

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I haven't read it since 2004. smile

Ok

The planet was Jedi Master Mace Windu's home planet. The people from that planet have an overwhelming force sensitivity. One of the Jedi Knights/Masters was dispatched to that planet prior but went missing.

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My biggest issue with The Last Jedi is the way they handled Leia/Carrie Fisher.

I believe the director and producers were too close to the actress and forgot about the narrative.

With Carrie dying 12 months before release of TLJ, they not only had a reason to recut to fit episode 9, but they had ideal footage in the can to see her off with a successful heroic narrative, rather than become a pop up in 9 with a bit of unreleased footage.

The easy route would have had her sucked out into space and not come back.

However, all the footage exists to have made her the pilot that saved the Rebellion by doing the hyperspace jump into Snokes ship, instead of Laura Dern. It would have been her perfect exit. Saving the rebellion she created and loved.

If Leia was indeed destined for greater things in 9, then all they needed to edit was Leia going out the hero in 8, and not show Luke vanishing at the end, so he could complete her arc in 9.

Time will tell, but it feels like Ryan was so intent on producing 'his' movie, that he didn't think of the wider arc.

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I think I read that rian johnson had started work on a new Star Wars project. I don’t know if that’s true or not considering Disney knows how the nerd boys are so butt hurt.
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The last Jedi is an amazing but flawed movie, it’s utterly bizarre where the mom’s basement dopes have taken this.
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Reply #96 posted 08/13/19 7:40pm

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Everything That's Wrong with 'Star Wars: The Last Jedi'

There's too much going on in the new Star Wars movie. That sucks.

by Nick Gazin

Star Wars: The Last Jedi is in theaters, and you all have to go see it or it might not make the $800 million it needs to break even. Presumably, most of the movie’s profits will be made over the holiday vacation from families who need a break from each other. I saw it last night since I don’t have a family.

The Last Jedi is a long, bewildering movie with too many characters and an overall message that’s either unclear or just stupid. It’s also funny, visually pretty, and surprisingly weird—but the plot is too cluttered, feeling like the product of dozens of very talented people disagreeing with each other and making bad compromises.

I don’t know if the movie can be described as having a plot, but here’s what happens: General Leia—once Princess Leia—is evacuating her troops from their secret base as the bad guys close in. (Her sideways promotion from Princess to General is the kind of fake promotion that people give instead of giving raises. Leia was always a boss.) Poe Dameron prank-calls the bad guys to distract them, and proceeds to blow up some evil spaceship turrets. It looks great, like the dog fight at the end of Star Wars: a New Hope.

Then, Poe disobeys orders to return to base and calls in a squadron of bomber ships, which fly in and explode like a domino effect. This sequence pulled me out of the movie: The Rebels have been at war for many decades and they haven’t learned to fly far enough apart so they wouldn’t blow each other up? It might seem like nitpicking, but The Last Jedi is full of moments where things don’t make sense and supposedly smart characters make dumb choices.

Meanwhile, Finn unceremoniously awakens from the coma he was in at the end of The Force Awakens and runs around in a see-through plastic suit, squirting liquid in all directions. At this point, it was the strangest thing I’d seen in a Star Wars movie (wait until later), which was pretty cool. He asks where Rey is, and we cut to her on that Irish island holding out Luke’s old lightsaber to the man himself. After a long pause, he takes it and throws it over his shoulder, which caused the audience to laugh and released some tension.

For some reason, Luke now acts like a jaded, pessimistic dick who wants to forget about all the Jedi stuff. Mark Hamill has publicly said that he thinks his character was written badly, and I agree, but he’s still a lot of fun to watch. Rey bugs him to train her, he curmudgeonly refuses, but eventually gives in.

The main villain is still Kylo Ren, and when we first see him he’s talking to his evil boss Snoke. In The Force Awakens, we only saw Snoke projected on a giant scale, and a popular fan theory arose that he was actually teeny; in The Last Jedi, though, we find out that he’s just a normal-sized, bad-CGI-looking video-game guy who hangs out in a beautiful throne room.

As Rey continues to follow Luke around the island, we see a giant creature standing upright
with what appear to be very large testicles but are actually bosoms (or udders). This is the strangest thing I’ve seen in a Star Wars movie, as Luke milks the giant beast and messily quaffs the beast’s milk. The island is also home to these very cute, Furby-like creatures called Porgs; later, we see Chewbacca roasting one over a fire, while other Porgs watch on and cry over the loss of their friend. That was also really weird. There’s another giant space battle in which General Leia gets blown out into space; it seems like she’s dead, but then she regains consciousness and floats back into a spaceship, which is also really weird.

Her job’s taken over by Admiral Holdo, who’s portrayed by Laura Dern. (Carrie Fisher completed filming before her passing last year, but it does seem like Dern’s role fills in for shots they couldn’t get to.) Holdo (and Leia) repeatedly tell Dameron that running away and surviving is better than fighting and sacrificing human lives, which is the big message of The Last Jedi—a message that comes across as murky and possibly dishonest. After all, the franchise isn’t called Star Peace.

After the second giant space battle, the good guys use hyperspace to escape the bad guys —but the bad guys immediately follow them, and the good guys can’t use hyperspace again because they’re running low on fuel and will be stranded if they do. How and where do you fuel up a colossal spaceship? I always imagined that these giant space ships had some sort of giant nuclear reactor powering them. Maybe that sounds like a nerdy complaint, but imagine someone saying that they couldn’t drive their submarine because it had a boot on it. Did they drive the Death Star to a giant gas station?

Finn—in the middle of the second Star Wars movie he appears in, possessing almost no defining traits besides cowardice—tries to run away from the good guys’ ship and is arrested for desertion by an annoying character named Rose. They discover that they need to go to a casino-like planet to find a codebreaker so that they can avoid being tracked by the bad guys, which kicks off The Last Jedi’s most unnecessary plotline.

The planet they go to has big band music and rich space people playing sci-fi slot machines. They meet Benicio Del Toro—sorry, DJ—who helps them in jail and betrays them soon afterwards. Arguably, The Last Jedi would be a lot better without this entire plotline and all the characters involved, which is pretty shitty because the plotline also contains the only three actors of color in the film.

Anyway: there’s a cool part where Rey goes into a hole in the ground and sees awesome psychedelic stuff, as well as a beautiful ground battle that happens on a salt-covered red planet. But the rest of The Last Jedi is bland mélange of explosions and disappointment. The bad guys keep using weapons that take a long time to power up before firing, Luke seems to die unceremoniously by disappearing into the air without warning, some other bullshit happens, the movie’s dedicated to Carrie Fisher, and that’s the end.

It’s easy to imagine the Star Wars franchise as a vast playground of infinite possibilities, but everything that’s happened in these largely weak and forgettable films since Return of the Jedi has revealed how limited Star Wars’s scope actually is. Capturing the feeling and tone of the original three films has stymied a lot of highly paid pros. The original Star Wars movies were simple stories with simple characters exploring richly designed locales. The protagonist of this new trilogy is supposed to be Rey,but we still haven’t learned enough about her, as The Last Jedi dedicates more time to other characters who don’t seem as important.

The reason George Lucas decided to kill the character of Ben Kenobi midway through A New Hope was because after the characters escaped the Death Star he had nothing left to do. The Last Jedi is supposed to be analogous to The Empire Strikes Back, but it actually has more in common with Return of the Jedi, which most Star Wars fans consider the weakest film of the original trilogy. If RotJ had focused on the freeing of Han from Jabba’s Palace and Luke’s confrontation of Vader, it would’ve been a better movie—but instead, it dedicates too much time to the forest planet of Endor, where a teddy bear army unconvincingly conquers a giant armada of well-armed space soldiers.

Similarly, The Last Jedi could have used less characters and less shit happening. Poe, Finn, Rose, DJ and Holdo were all unnecessary characters with pointless plotlines that added nothing but took away a lot. So far, the only character with any depth is Kylo Ren. Will Rey get a personality in the next movie? I guess we’ll find out.

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/3k5qvj/star-wars-the-last-jedi-vice-review

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Eight Reasons Why “The Last Jedi” Kind of Sucks for Hardcore “Star Wars” Fans

https://www.verbicidemagazine.com/2017/12/19/8-reasons-the-last-jedi-kinda-sucked-for-hardcore-fans/

1. So….Rey’s parentage meant…..nothing

“Who’s the girl?” Maz Kanata asked. “What girl?” Kylo Ren asked.

The mystery of Rey’s parentage has been the single biggest mystery of this new Star Wars trilogy, and The Last Jedi finally answers the mystery of who Rey’s parents are. The answer is nobody special, apparently. Just two drunkards who left their daughter in a life of servitude.

She’s not a Solo. She’s not a Skywalker. She’s not a Kenobi. She’s not a Palpatine. She’s not a Luke clone. She’s just a regular person with Force abilities.

Hmmm. Alright, I’d buy that, I suppose — but in The Force Awakens, Rey is so incredibly powerful that she is actually able to defeat a Luke Skywalker-trained Kylo Ren in a light saber battle fairly easily. She was also trotting around Jedi mind-tricking Storm Troopers into doing whatever she wanted without any formal training in the ways of the Force.

The question is, why even create a mystery surrounding Rey’s parentage if the answer is super-inconsequential to the overall narrative? JJ Abrams created this entire mystery around Rey’s background that has a very unsatisfying resolution. It’s almost as if he is the same guy who created Lost or something…wait a second…

2. So Supreme Leader Snoke meant….nothing.

So Supreme Leader Snoke — the big bad super-villain portrayed by motion capture legend Andy Serkis (for seemingly no reason because he just sits in a chair the entire movie) — gets cut in half by Kylo Ren as he gives Rey the typical “this is my evil plan” speech. We don’t know who Snoke was, why he was so obsessed with Luke Skywalker, why he was so disfigured, why he was so powerful, where he came from, how he became supreme leader of The First Order, how he actually lured Kylo to the dark side, how old he was, why he likes gold bath robes,….. You get the point.

Snoke was powerful enough to do a lot of things. Unfortunately, he was not powerful enough to sense the light saber Kylo Ren was Force-aiming towards him that was mere inches away. Hmm…alrighty then. Considering that he is only chunks of bantha fodder now, Snoke seemingly had no real purpose for anything.

Another JJ Abrams care package of unresolved nothingness. Rian Johnson takes a fair share of the blame for this train wreck as well.

3. So, that Dark Side hole on Ahch-To that called out to Rey meant…nothing

Luke yells at Rey to resist the temptation of the Dark Side hole on Ahch-To that was calling out to her as he started to train her in the ways of the Force. Eventually Rey gets yanked into that hole anyway, only to find herself in some kinda weird psychedelic kaleidoscopey Neil deGrasse Tyson acid trip. She saw a whole bunch of other Reys down there, and at this point the movie goes full McConaughey Interstellar mode as the multiple Reys display a time displacement in their actions without the movie giving any semblance of an explanation for what is happening, or what any of it meant.

Rian Johnson takes the full brunt for the gaping nothingness of this moment. It’s just a spooky scene that looks visually appealing and adds absolutely nothing to the ongoing narrative.

Honorable Mentions

4. Don’t expect to get any additional information on why Captain Phasma matters.

5. What happened to Benecio Del Toro’s DJ character? Since he was not the master codebreaker they were looking for how was he skilled enough to bypass The First Order’s defense systems?

6. Why did Luke’s light saber call out to Rey since she isn’t a Skywalker?

7. Kylo’s decision to spare his mother’s life, which should have been a pivotal moment is never addressed.

8. Who created the map to Luke Skywalker in The Force Awakens, since Luke obviously has no desire to be found in The Last Jedi?

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Verdict

The Last Jedi is an above-average run-of-the-mill blockbuster movie for casual moviegoers who just want to see some stuff blow up while characters fight with glowy sticks. For the hardcore fans, this movie is really a freshly concocted steaming bowl of plot hole stew.

As a result, I am no longer excited for whatever comes next from Rian Johnson’s recently announced new Star Wars trilogy. I am also no longer excited for what’s to come in the sequel to The Last Jedi because this film leaves nothing to look forward to in the future.

The Last Jedi also has other issues besides plot holes. There are pacing problems. The movie is cut in an odd fashion where characters show up in different places than you saw them in their previous scene without any explanation as to how they got there. With all of these problems, I can’t help but wonder what George Lucas originally intended for the stories of the three movies to come after Return of the Jedi before Disney scrapped his plans in favor or charting off on their own course. If The Last Jedi is any indication, they might have been better sticking to what Lucas intended.

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OldFriends4Sale said:




Eight Reasons Why “The Last Jedi” Kind of Sucks for Hardcore “Star Wars” Fans


https://www.verbicidemagazine.com/2017/12/19/8-reasons-the-last-jedi-kinda-sucked-for-hardcore-fans/


1. So….Rey’s parentage meant…..nothing



“Who’s the girl?” Maz Kanata asked. “What girl?” Kylo Ren asked.



The mystery of Rey’s parentage has been the single biggest mystery of this new Star Wars trilogy, and The Last Jedi finally answers the mystery of who Rey’s parents are. The answer is nobody special, apparently. Just two drunkards who left their daughter in a life of servitude.



She’s not a Solo. She’s not a Skywalker. She’s not a Kenobi. She’s not a Palpatine. She’s not a Luke clone. She’s just a regular person with Force abilities.




Hmmm. Alright, I’d buy that, I suppose — but in The Force Awakens, Rey is so incredibly powerful that she is actually able to defeat a Luke Skywalker-trained Kylo Ren in a light saber battle fairly easily. She was also trotting around Jedi mind-tricking Storm Troopers into doing whatever she wanted without any formal training in the ways of the Force.



The question is, why even create a mystery surrounding Rey’s parentage if the answer is super-inconsequential to the overall narrative? JJ Abrams created this entire mystery around Rey’s background that has a very unsatisfying resolution. It’s almost as if he is the same guy who created Lost or something…wait a second…



2. So Supreme Leader Snoke meant….nothing.



So Supreme Leader Snoke — the big bad super-villain portrayed by motion capture legend Andy Serkis (for seemingly no reason because he just sits in a chair the entire movie) — gets cut in half by Kylo Ren as he gives Rey the typical “this is my evil plan” speech. We don’t know who Snoke was, why he was so obsessed with Luke Skywalker, why he was so disfigured, why he was so powerful, where he came from, how he became supreme leader of The First Order, how he actually lured Kylo to the dark side, how old he was, why he likes gold bath robes,….. You get the point.



Snoke was powerful enough to do a lot of things. Unfortunately, he was not powerful enough to sense the light saber Kylo Ren was Force-aiming towards him that was mere inches away. Hmm…alrighty then. Considering that he is only chunks of bantha fodder now, Snoke seemingly had no real purpose for anything.



Another JJ Abrams care package of unresolved nothingness. Rian Johnson takes a fair share of the blame for this train wreck as well.




3. So, that Dark Side hole on Ahch-To that called out to Rey meant…nothing







Luke yells at Rey to resist the temptation of the Dark Side hole on Ahch-To that was calling out to her as he started to train her in the ways of the Force. Eventually Rey gets yanked into that hole anyway, only to find herself in some kinda weird psychedelic kaleidoscopey Neil deGrasse Tyson acid trip. She saw a whole bunch of other Reys down there, and at this point the movie goes full McConaughey Interstellar mode as the multiple Reys display a time displacement in their actions without the movie giving any semblance of an explanation for what is happening, or what any of it meant.



Rian Johnson takes the full brunt for the gaping nothingness of this moment. It’s just a spooky scene that looks visually appealing and adds absolutely nothing to the ongoing narrative.





Honorable Mentions



4. Don’t expect to get any additional information on why Captain Phasma matters.



5. What happened to Benecio Del Toro’s DJ character? Since he was not the master codebreaker they were looking for how was he skilled enough to bypass The First Order’s defense systems?



6. Why did Luke’s light saber call out to Rey since she isn’t a Skywalker?



7. Kylo’s decision to spare his mother’s life, which should have been a pivotal moment is never addressed.



8. Who created the map to Luke Skywalker in The Force Awakens, since Luke obviously has no desire to be found in The Last Jedi?



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Verdict



The Last Jedi is an above-average run-of-the-mill blockbuster movie for casual moviegoers who just want to see some stuff blow up while characters fight with glowy sticks. For the hardcore fans, this movie is really a freshly concocted steaming bowl of plot hole stew.



As a result, I am no longer excited for whatever comes next from Rian Johnson’s recently announced new Star Wars trilogy. I am also no longer excited for what’s to come in the sequel to The Last Jedi because this film leaves nothing to look forward to in the future.



The Last Jedi also has other issues besides plot holes. There are pacing problems. The movie is cut in an odd fashion where characters show up in different places than you saw them in their previous scene without any explanation as to how they got there. With all of these problems, I can’t help but wonder what George Lucas originally intended for the stories of the three movies to come after Return of the Jedi before Disney scrapped his plans in favor or charting off on their own course. If The Last Jedi is any indication, they might have been better sticking to what Lucas intended.




That sounds like it was written by an angry child who didn't get his own way biggrin
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No one can lol I suspect, JJ and this guy were more concerned about creating a personal visual SW experience over a solid story that connects.

Has anyone read the novel for the Disney movies?

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Can someone explain why this character was created just to do nothing(in novels or film) but get killed in the movie?

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My biggest issue with The Last Jedi is the way they handled Leia/Carrie Fisher.

I believe the director and producers were too close to the actress and forgot about the narrative.

With Carrie dying 12 months before release of TLJ, they not only had a reason to recut to fit episode 9, but they had ideal footage in the can to see her off with a successful heroic narrative, rather than become a pop up in 9 with a bit of unreleased footage.

The easy route would have had her sucked out into space and not come back.

However, all the footage exists to have made her the pilot that saved the Rebellion by doing the hyperspace jump into Snokes ship, instead of Laura Dern. It would have been her perfect exit. Saving the rebellion she created and loved.

If Leia was indeed destined for greater things in 9, then all they needed to edit was Leia going out the hero in 8, and not show Luke vanishing at the end, so he could complete her arc in 9.

Time will tell, but it feels like Ryan was so intent on producing 'his' movie, that he didn't think of the wider arc.

Not saving the "Rebellion", saving the "Resistance"

I think that sentiment includes JJ Abrams too

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The fact of the matter is the movie got great reviews and ticket-sales were the best of that year.
I like, others don’t and that cool.
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But If you do any quick cursory glance at the loudest and angriest voices on the internet regarding TLJ, you’ll see it’s mostly from angry folks who’s thumbnail of the review shows Rey and a “no-female” symbol under it, as in this one
https://youtu.be/EQk7XqNR1kQ
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It’s ok for dork culture to like what it likes, but we should take the vitriol for what it is and like anything else, look at the source, and let it go at that.
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Ugot2shakesumthin said:

The fact of the matter is the movie got great reviews and ticket-sales were the best of that year. I like, others don’t and that cool. . But If you do any quick cursory glance at the loudest and angriest voices on the internet regarding TLJ, you’ll see it’s mostly from angry folks who’s thumbnail of the review shows Rey and a “no-female” symbol under it, as in this one https://youtu.be/EQk7XqNR1kQ . It’s ok for dork culture to like what it likes, but we should take the vitriol for what it is and like anything else, look at the source, and let it go at that.

I don't think you can just tarbrush, people's reasons for not liking it as the above. Everyone is not of that ilk. Even Mark Hamill did not like the way his character and the direction took, and thought they should have worked with George Lucas's already storylined 7-9

I don't care about those people above. I liked Solo, many of them boycotted Solo. But also remember outside of the movies, it's the hardcore fanbase of any genre that keeps it alive. The passion.

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Ugot2shakesumthin said:

The fact of the matter is the movie got great reviews and ticket-sales were the best of that year. I like, others don’t and that cool. . But If you do any quick cursory glance at the loudest and angriest voices on the internet regarding TLJ, you’ll see it’s mostly from angry folks who’s thumbnail of the review shows Rey and a “no-female” symbol under it, as in this one https://youtu.be/EQk7XqNR1kQ . It’s ok for dork culture to like what it likes, but we should take the vitriol for what it is and like anything else, look at the source, and let it go at that.

BUT, I will say and have said along with TFA, that if these were stories that did not involve the original heroes they could be pretty good SW stories (give or take some serious continuum flaws)

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The fact of the matter is the movie got great reviews and ticket-sales were the best of that year.
I like, others don’t and that cool.
.
But If you do any quick cursory glance at the loudest and angriest voices on the internet regarding TLJ, you’ll see it’s mostly from angry folks who’s thumbnail of the review shows Rey and a “no-female” symbol under it, as in this one
https://youtu.be/EQk7XqNR1kQ
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It’s ok for dork culture to like what it likes, but we should take the vitriol for what it is and like anything else, look at the source, and let it go at that.


There's no denying that certain "fans" were put off by having a woman in the lead role. But I don't think that's the main reason for the majority of people's issues with it. I mean, I've seen defenders of the recent Ghostbusters remake use that same argument. Saying that the only reason it failed was because there were women in it. But that's not true. It failed because it was shit and an insult to the original. It's kind of a similar situation with Star Wars. Now, I personally really like the new Star Wars movies but I can see where long time fans of the series like OldFriends4Sale are coming from. The Last Jedi was different to what they were used to. The original heroes are no longer taking centre stage. The new lead is (apparently) not related to the Skywalkers or Kenobis. Personally, I like these changes. But long time fans have been discussing what happened following Episode 6 since well before I was born and they've all got their own opinions on how things should play out. The fact that The Last Jedi was so different to what they could have expected is what I think bothers them more than the fact that the new protagonist is female.
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The fact of the matter is the movie got great reviews and ticket-sales were the best of that year.
I like, others don’t and that cool.
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But If you do any quick cursory glance at the loudest and angriest voices on the internet regarding TLJ, you’ll see it’s mostly from angry folks who’s thumbnail of the review shows Rey and a “no-female” symbol under it, as in this one
https://youtu.be/EQk7XqNR1kQ
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It’s ok for dork culture to like what it likes, but we should take the vitriol for what it is and like anything else, look at the source, and let it go at that.


There's no denying that certain "fans" were put off by having a woman in the lead role. But I don't think that's the main reason for the majority of people's issues with it. I mean, I've seen defenders of the recent Ghostbusters remake use that same argument. Saying that the only reason it failed was because there were women in it. But that's not true. It failed because it was shit and an insult to the original. It's kind of a similar situation with Star Wars. Now, I personally really like the new Star Wars movies but I can see where long time fans of the series like OldFriends4Sale are coming from. The Last Jedi was different to what they were used to. The original heroes are no longer taking centre stage. The new lead is (apparently) not related to the Skywalkers or Kenobis. Personally, I like these changes. But long time fans have been discussing what happened following Episode 6 since well before I was born and they've all got their own opinions on how things should play out. The fact that The Last Jedi was so different to what they could have expected is what I think bothers them more than the fact that the new protagonist is female.


I agree. But in the case with the newer ghostbusters, that one was pretty bad.
Everything is subjective of course. But TlJ was a critical and commercial hit. And by all measures is an incredibly well made film. Flawed yes.
I personally am not a big fan of The Force Awakens, that one is a far more flawed film in every way...in my opinion. I just think it’s easier to pick on Rian Johnson than JJ.
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That’s an amazing shot. This film has a lot of amazing shots.
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The fact of the matter is the movie got great reviews and ticket-sales were the best of that year. I like, others don’t and that cool. . But If you do any quick cursory glance at the loudest and angriest voices on the internet regarding TLJ, you’ll see it’s mostly from angry folks who’s thumbnail of the review shows Rey and a “no-female” symbol under it, as in this one https://youtu.be/EQk7XqNR1kQ . It’s ok for dork culture to like what it likes, but we should take the vitriol for what it is and like anything else, look at the source, and let it go at that.

Another point about why the 'no female' issue is not true. Is that most of those same people were huge fans of Princess Leia, and her becoming a Jedi. Discussion of her force potential, fan art and stories abounded. Also there was Jaina, the force strong daughter of Han and Leia. There wa also Mon Mothma who not only is a part of SW Return of the Jedi, and ST ROJS, but she took on a bigger role in the novels following Episode 6. There were many female characters that fans would have loved to see on the big screen. Including the Emporers Hands: Mara Jade and Roganda Ismaren, dark Jedi Lady Lumiya, bountry hunter Aura Sing, apprentice of Count Dooku, Asajj Ventress, who is mentioned in ROTS, and also all the female Jedi Knighs and Masters of the Old Republic: Ahsoka Tano, Aayla Secura, Luminara Unduli, Barriss Offee, the Dark Woman An'ya Kuro, Jocasta Nu etc So having female leads and prominent characters is not the issue.

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Padme was very much appreciated as well and she was a prominent female character.

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It is the more 'blatant' let's put a "female" lead here and make her badass, with no character. That is a part of the side story where the Resistance sends people to find someone to crack a code. So now Rey who comes from nobody parents(that's ok if they are) but she can just handle Jedi Master Luke Skywalker and do things with the Force, NO ONE IN THE WHOLE SW UNIVERSE HAS, nor is it possible. Even Yoda and Sidious as well as Anakin had to train. It's not Star Wars.

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That’s an amazing shot. This film has a lot of amazing shots.

I believe this above is from a concept video game of TLJ
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Yes it does. I said before the visual was wonderful. I think TLJ had more of the shine, that see in episodes 1-6, that TLJ does not have. the worlds looked to 'everyday', not 'in a universe far far away. So my appreciation is expressed through visual takes, fan art and concept art.

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So I've said my piece for the most part about the movie, and will from here on out help you and others who are fans of the movie with the fan/concept art

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Everything That's Wrong with 'Star Wars: The Last Jedi'

There's too much going on in the new Star Wars movie. That sucks.

by Nick Gazin

Star Wars: The Last Jedi is in theaters, and you all have to go see it or it might not make the $800 million it needs to break even. Presumably, most of the movie’s profits will be made over the holiday vacation from families who need a break from each other. I saw it last night since I don’t have a family.

The Last Jedi is a long, bewildering movie with too many characters and an overall message that’s either unclear or just stupid. It’s also funny, visually pretty, and surprisingly weird—but the plot is too cluttered, feeling like the product of dozens of very talented people disagreeing with each other and making bad compromises.

I don’t know if the movie can be described as having a plot, but here’s what happens: General Leia—once Princess Leia—is evacuating her troops from their secret base as the bad guys close in. (Her sideways promotion from Princess to General is the kind of fake promotion that people give instead of giving raises. Leia was always a boss.) Poe Dameron prank-calls the bad guys to distract them, and proceeds to blow up some evil spaceship turrets. It looks great, like the dog fight at the end of Star Wars: a New Hope.

Then, Poe disobeys orders to return to base and calls in a squadron of bomber ships, which fly in and explode like a domino effect. This sequence pulled me out of the movie: The Rebels have been at war for many decades and they haven’t learned to fly far enough apart so they wouldn’t blow each other up? It might seem like nitpicking, but The Last Jedi is full of moments where things don’t make sense and supposedly smart characters make dumb choices.

Meanwhile, Finn unceremoniously awakens from the coma he was in at the end of The Force Awakens and runs around in a see-through plastic suit, squirting liquid in all directions. At this point, it was the strangest thing I’d seen in a Star Wars movie (wait until later), which was pretty cool. He asks where Rey is, and we cut to her on that Irish island holding out Luke’s old lightsaber to the man himself. After a long pause, he takes it and throws it over his shoulder, which caused the audience to laugh and released some tension.

For some reason, Luke now acts like a jaded, pessimistic dick who wants to forget about all the Jedi stuff. Mark Hamill has publicly said that he thinks his character was written badly, and I agree, but he’s still a lot of fun to watch. Rey bugs him to train her, he curmudgeonly refuses, but eventually gives in.

The main villain is still Kylo Ren, and when we first see him he’s talking to his evil boss Snoke. In The Force Awakens, we only saw Snoke projected on a giant scale, and a popular fan theory arose that he was actually teeny; in The Last Jedi, though, we find out that he’s just a normal-sized, bad-CGI-looking video-game guy who hangs out in a beautiful throne room.

As Rey continues to follow Luke around the island, we see a giant creature standing upright
with what appear to be very large testicles but are actually bosoms (or udders). This is the strangest thing I’ve seen in a Star Wars movie, as Luke milks the giant beast and messily quaffs the beast’s milk. The island is also home to these very cute, Furby-like creatures called Porgs; later, we see Chewbacca roasting one over a fire, while other Porgs watch on and cry over the loss of their friend. That was also really weird. There’s another giant space battle in which General Leia gets blown out into space; it seems like she’s dead, but then she regains consciousness and floats back into a spaceship, which is also really weird.

Her job’s taken over by Admiral Holdo, who’s portrayed by Laura Dern. (Carrie Fisher completed filming before her passing last year, but it does seem like Dern’s role fills in for shots they couldn’t get to.) Holdo (and Leia) repeatedly tell Dameron that running away and surviving is better than fighting and sacrificing human lives, which is the big message of The Last Jedi—a message that comes across as murky and possibly dishonest. After all, the franchise isn’t called Star Peace.

After the second giant space battle, the good guys use hyperspace to escape the bad guys —but the bad guys immediately follow them, and the good guys can’t use hyperspace again because they’re running low on fuel and will be stranded if they do. How and where do you fuel up a colossal spaceship? I always imagined that these giant space ships had some sort of giant nuclear reactor powering them. Maybe that sounds like a nerdy complaint, but imagine someone saying that they couldn’t drive their submarine because it had a boot on it. Did they drive the Death Star to a giant gas station?

Finn—in the middle of the second Star Wars movie he appears in, possessing almost no defining traits besides cowardice—tries to run away from the good guys’ ship and is arrested for desertion by an annoying character named Rose. They discover that they need to go to a casino-like planet to find a codebreaker so that they can avoid being tracked by the bad guys, which kicks off The Last Jedi’s most unnecessary plotline.

The planet they go to has big band music and rich space people playing sci-fi slot machines. They meet Benicio Del Toro—sorry, DJ—who helps them in jail and betrays them soon afterwards. Arguably, The Last Jedi would be a lot better without this entire plotline and all the characters involved, which is pretty shitty because the plotline also contains the only three actors of color in the film.

Anyway: there’s a cool part where Rey goes into a hole in the ground and sees awesome psychedelic stuff, as well as a beautiful ground battle that happens on a salt-covered red planet. But the rest of The Last Jedi is bland mélange of explosions and disappointment. The bad guys keep using weapons that take a long time to power up before firing, Luke seems to die unceremoniously by disappearing into the air without warning, some other bullshit happens, the movie’s dedicated to Carrie Fisher, and that’s the end.

It’s easy to imagine the Star Wars franchise as a vast playground of infinite possibilities, but everything that’s happened in these largely weak and forgettable films since Return of the Jedi has revealed how limited Star Wars’s scope actually is. Capturing the feeling and tone of the original three films has stymied a lot of highly paid pros. The original Star Wars movies were simple stories with simple characters exploring richly designed locales. The protagonist of this new trilogy is supposed to be Rey,but we still haven’t learned enough about her, as The Last Jedi dedicates more time to other characters who don’t seem as important.

The reason George Lucas decided to kill the character of Ben Kenobi midway through A New Hope was because after the characters escaped the Death Star he had nothing left to do. The Last Jedi is supposed to be analogous to The Empire Strikes Back, but it actually has more in common with Return of the Jedi, which most Star Wars fans consider the weakest film of the original trilogy. If RotJ had focused on the freeing of Han from Jabba’s Palace and Luke’s confrontation of Vader, it would’ve been a better movie—but instead, it dedicates too much time to the forest planet of Endor, where a teddy bear army unconvincingly conquers a giant armada of well-armed space soldiers.

Similarly, The Last Jedi could have used less characters and less shit happening. Poe, Finn, Rose, DJ and Holdo were all unnecessary characters with pointless plotlines that added nothing but took away a lot. So far, the only character with any depth is Kylo Ren. Will Rey get a personality in the next movie? I guess we’ll find out.

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/3k5qvj/star-wars-the-last-jedi-vice-review

Fucking brilliant, especially the last paragraph.

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Everything That's Wrong with 'Star Wars: The Last Jedi'

There's too much going on in the new Star Wars movie. That sucks.

by Nick Gazin

Similarly, The Last Jedi could have used less characters and less shit happening. Poe, Finn, Rose, DJ and Holdo were all unnecessary characters with pointless plotlines that added nothing but took away a lot. So far, the only character with any depth is Kylo Ren. Will Rey get a personality in the next movie? I guess we’ll find out.

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/3k5qvj/star-wars-the-last-jedi-vice-review

Fucking brilliant, especially the last paragraph.

Yeah, that sorta sums up a 'bloated' feeling I had with the new movies. It just felt like a force replacement of characters.

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Eight Reasons Why “The Last Jedi” Kind of Sucks for Hardcore “Star Wars” Fans

https://www.verbicidemagazine.com/2017/12/19/8-reasons-the-last-jedi-kinda-sucked-for-hardcore-fans/

Summary of Article: Hardcore Fanboy still living in the past and pining for the pre-Disney EU whines about unanswered questions in YET-TO-BE-COMPLETED trilogy.

That sounds like it was written by an angry child who didn't get his own way biggrin


He doesn't know how it ends. It wasn't a bad movie, it just didn't settle with his expectations.

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^^^^

fan/concept art makes the story more interesting than it is.
The misleading image TFA gave of FINN possibly being a Jedi, weilding a lightsaber, fighting a force user with a light saber etc is not Star Wars

great art though by Christopher

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On a side note, I’m not sure if it’s been mentioned in another thread, but an Obi Wan series has officially been announced for the Disney + Streaming service.
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