Just rewatched this movie AGAIN. The third act is simply amazing. Way better the rehashed silly ending of The Force Awakens.

I really don't get the hate. Sure the opening scene and the casino section is bad, ill give haters that, but every time Skywalker and Rey are on the screen, it's on.
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It is absolutely about "living in moms attic" developmentally arrested males who don't like seeing females in their Star Wars. And the justify their hate by calling it "SJ warrior" infused because of it. But this hate got really carried away. Go on YouTube and see who exactly "HATES" it and see for yourself that it is about insecurity by certain nerds.
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For me I rate The Last Jedi right behind the original three and can't wait for The Rise Of Skywalker.

Really enjoyed the movie up to Lea's space walk and then I enjoyed it a little less.

It's a solid movie without a doubt and better then some of the others in the series.

Not concerned with what fan boys say, while these movies are great, they are just entertainment.

S2DG said:

Really enjoyed the movie up to Lea's space walk and then I enjoyed it a little less.

It's a solid movie without a doubt and better then some of the others in the series.

Not concerned with what fan boys say, while these movies are great, they are just entertainment.

Ok. I will give you that. That was pretty bad. That and BB8 driving a walker. The Casino scenes. Captain Phasma. But they are not part of the main narrative.

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I think this movie can be edited to into being a solid movie on par with the originals. Whereas no amount of editing can really fix The force awakens or the prequels.

Ugot2shakesumthin said:

S2DG said:

Really enjoyed the movie up to Lea's space walk and then I enjoyed it a little less.

It's a solid movie without a doubt and better then some of the others in the series.

Not concerned with what fan boys say, while these movies are great, they are just entertainment.

Ok. I will give you that. That was pretty bad. That and BB8 driving a walker. The Casino scenes. Captain Phasma. But they are not part of the main narrative.

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I think this movie can be edited to into being a solid movie on par with the originals. Whereas no amount of editing can really fix The force awakens or the prequels.

I guess I just expect more because it's Star Wars. Then again the movie has always had an element of cheese and corny jokes, maybe we should just relax and stop being so critical?

I thought The Force Awakens was just a set-up movie so I didn't have high hopes but I liked it for what it was. Jar Jar was a line that was crossed that I still can't get past. On the other hand, Rogue One was a movie I can watch on repeat, has to be my favorite of the Disney films.

I can see updating SFX but adding scenes and changing the story is like a do over. Let's not edit movies after they're out, it's done, leave it for history.

I didnt look lately at "ratings " but i was surprised at some good friends who were star wars fans and hated that one ... I thought it was exciting with some neat plot twists and ... in short ... it worked ...

are there parts in it where i cringe? yeah . I have watched it probably 6 times now .... and I still cringe at some of Lukes lines ... and some of the parts where you have already mentioned (carrie fishers space walk .... bb8 driving .. etc) but i think every star wars movie pretty much have elements that you just cringe at if you have seen it a few times ... (ewoks jar jar etc)

Piece of shit.....on the level of Phantom Menace, and that's pretty bad. At least Phantom Menace had Darth Maul - there was nothing redeeming about this movie - Leia's moonwalk, Finn half-naked, the annoying Rose, etc., etc. Fucking Disney. But hey, Star Wars jumped the shark a long time ago with "Return of the Care Bears".

Here is Ben Shapiro, a (political hack), reviewing a Star Wars movie. Why did the right and insecure man-boys get so vocal and so bent over this movie is beyond me.

intead of being fun, they really went off on. The wrongheaded things.

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I still don't know how to imbed videos here anymore.

https://youtu.be/B-t4bU3-lHA

Ugot2shakesumthin said:

Here is Ben Shapiro, a (political hack), reviewing a Star Wars movie. Why did the right and insecure man-boys get so vocal and so bent over this movie is beyond me.

intead of being fun, they really went off on. The wrongheaded things.

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I still don't know how to imbed videos here anymore.

https://youtu.be/B-t4bU3-lHA

They're the same asshats who call Captain Marvel & Black Panther 'woke films', or complain about Idris Elba playing an Asgardian. Bunch of losers who are more annoying than the SJWs they constantly whine about. We all know what their agenda is.

My problem with TLJ isn't political - it's just a bad film with poorly written characters.

uPtoWnNY said:

Ugot2shakesumthin said:

Here is Ben Shapiro, a (political hack), reviewing a Star Wars movie. Why did the right and insecure man-boys get so vocal and so bent over this movie is beyond me.

intead of being fun, they really went off on. The wrongheaded things.

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I still don't know how to imbed videos here anymore.

https://youtu.be/B-t4bU3-lHA

They're the same asshats who call Captain Marvel & Black Panther 'woke films', or complain about Idris Elba playing an Asgardian. Bunch of losers who are more annoying than the SJWs they constantly whine about. We all know what their agenda is.

My problem with TLJ isn't political - it's just a bad film with poorly written characters.

Exactly. Once you hear the terms woke, SJW, or even ANTIFA (Red Letter Media) in a MOVIE REVIEW, then you know exactly where they are coming from.

Ugot2shakesumthin said:

Here is Ben Shapiro, a (political hack), reviewing a Star Wars movie. Why did the right and insecure man-boys get so vocal and so bent over this movie is beyond me.

intead of being fun, they really went off on. The wrongheaded things.

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I still don't know how to imbed videos here anymore.

https://youtu.be/B-t4bU3-lHA

While I like sharing opinions here and learning about those opinions of the people of the Org, I tend to not give two shits what these people think...about anything.

It's just entertainment, it's not changing lives or making the world a better place. I don't need a breakdown or analysis, don't like it then turn it off and entertain yourself with something else.

awful shit. already ruined by the first 4 words of the opening crawl "The First Order reigns." revealing the worst and messed up storywriting in the galaxy

and it went all downhill from that for 2 hours

Ugot2shakesumthin said:

ANTIFA (Red Letter Media) in a MOVIE REVIEW, then you know exactly where they are coming from.

Yuck! I blocked that channel out after their first impressions video of TLJ, where they made countless jokes about Carrie's death.

Divisive movie with some of the most vocal characters on the internet, but it's gotten justifiably great reviews from film critics. Right now it's at 92% fresh on RT.

It could be a good stand alone movie without fucking up Luke Skywalker, Leia and putting them back as the Rebellion ala ST:The Empire Strikes Back

But Rey being able to do what she does, makes absolutely no common Star Wars Universe sense

Ugot2shakesumthin said:

Divisive movie with some of the most vocal characters on the internet, but it's gotten justifiably great reviews from film critics. Right now it's at 92% fresh on RT.

Exactly why I don't think much of Rotten Tomatoes.

uPtoWnNY said:

Ugot2shakesumthin said:

Divisive movie with some of the most vocal characters on the internet, but it's gotten justifiably great reviews from film critics. Right now it's at 92% fresh on RT.

Exactly why I don't think much of Rotten Tomatoes.

Rotten Tomatoes just posts what the top critics write.

It has clear flaws, and is derivative of the OT.

But at the end of the day, it challenges the aging fanboys and fangirls who fell in love with the original movies and had rigid ideas of their beloved characters. As if after enduring brutal war and family trauma, they would never stumble, or even crumble, under the weight of their past, their mistakes in the aftermath, and the expectations of the entire galaxy.

The whole damn saga is premised on colossal failures. TLJ, for all of its problems, challenges the audience to confront the failures of their heroes.

The movie's greatest accomplishment is that it humanizes the saga's main characters in a way we haven't really seen before. Same goes for TFA, but to a lesser exten.

It will be appreciated more with time.

namepeace said:

It has clear flaws, and is derivative of the OT.

But at the end of the day, it challenges the aging fanboys and fangirls who fell in love with the original movies and had rigid ideas of their beloved characters. As if after enduring brutal war and family trauma, they would never stumble, or even crumble, under the weight of their past, their mistakes in the aftermath, and the expectations of the entire galaxy.

The whole damn saga is premised on colossal failures. TLJ, for all of its problems, challenges the audience to confront the failures of their heroes.

The movie's greatest accomplishment is that it humanizes the saga's main characters in a way we haven't really seen before. Same goes for TFA, but to a lesser exten.

It will be appreciated more with time.

namepeace said:

It has clear flaws, and is derivative of the OT.

But at the end of the day, it challenges the aging fanboys and fangirls who fell in love with the original movies and had rigid ideas of their beloved characters. As if after enduring brutal war and family trauma, they would never stumble, or even crumble, under the weight of their past, their mistakes in the aftermath, and the expectations of the entire galaxy.

The whole damn saga is premised on colossal failures. TLJ, for all of its problems, challenges the audience to confront the failures of their heroes.

The movie's greatest accomplishment is that it humanizes the saga's main characters in a way we haven't really seen before. Same goes for TFA, but to a lesser exten.

It will be appreciated more with time.

It is not Lucas's vision.

We were challenged by the movie, we didn't need our memories destroyed.

OldFriends4Sale said:

namepeace said:

It has clear flaws, and is derivative of the OT.

But at the end of the day, it challenges the aging fanboys and fangirls who fell in love with the original movies and had rigid ideas of their beloved characters. As if after enduring brutal war and family trauma, they would never stumble, or even crumble, under the weight of their past, their mistakes in the aftermath, and the expectations of the entire galaxy.

The whole damn saga is premised on colossal failures. TLJ, for all of its problems, challenges the audience to confront the failures of their heroes.

The movie's greatest accomplishment is that it humanizes the saga's main characters in a way we haven't really seen before. Same goes for TFA, but to a lesser exten.

It will be appreciated more with time.

It is not Lucas's vision.

We were challenged by the movie, we didn't need our memories destroyed.

The greatest film in the saga -- V -- didn't even fully capture his vision.

It's difficult to argue that a sequel can "destroy" the memories of the prior chapters.

It's not as if VIII changed a single thing about the OT or for that matter the prequels.

In fact, Luke's arc in VII and VIII bears great similarities to those of other characters in the prior installments (Obi-Wan, Yoda and Vader), not to mention his own in the OT.

namepeace said:

It has clear flaws, and is derivative of the OT.

But at the end of the day, it challenges the aging fanboys and fangirls who fell in love with the original movies and had rigid ideas of their beloved characters. As if after enduring brutal war and family trauma, they would never stumble, or even crumble, under the weight of their past, their mistakes in the aftermath, and the expectations of the entire galaxy.

The whole damn saga is premised on colossal failures. TLJ, for all of its problems, challenges the audience to confront the failures of their heroes.

The movie's greatest accomplishment is that it humanizes the saga's main characters in a way we haven't really seen before. Same goes for TFA, but to a lesser exten.

It will be appreciated more with time.

I agree.
And I think there are a lot of memorable lines. I can't remember any lines from the The a Force Awakens or any of the prequels.

And as mentioned before, the imagery and art direction is spectacular.

OldFriends4Sale said:

EmmaMcG said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

It is not Lucas's vision.

We were challenged by the movie, we didn't need our memories destroyed.

Your memories were destroyed? Really?? Are you sure you're not exaggerating? I mean, it's not like the new Star Wars movies existence means the old ones don't exist anymore. You can go back and watch those any time. Like, I fucking hate that last Ghostbusters movie. Hate it with a passion. But it doesn't prevent me from enjoying the original movie. If you, or anyone else, don't like the new Star Wars movies then don't watch them. Forget about them. Stick with the original trilogy and pretend the rest don't exist. Personally, I don't rate George Lucas so I'm only too happy that these new movies don't represent his vision. He was heavily involved in 6 Star Wars movies and of those 6 movies, 2 were very good (Episodes 4 & 5), 2 were decent (Episodes 6 & 3) and 2 were really, really terrible (Episode 1 and 2). He had a great idea but he was never a good writer or director.

Yes I'm exaggerating

But the continued Star Wars storytelling has destroyed what was. The Disney movies and direction have destroyed the canon that was and the storyline and characters that existed for 20yrs. We had the Jedi Order rebuilt but changed and open to exploring different avenues of the Force. The Disney storyline destroyed that. We had Leia Organa a trained Jedi Knight having helped rebuilt the Republic with others of the Old Republic and Rebellion having learned of the past. The Disney storyline put them back in as Rebels and worse, loosing.

This new storyline makes no sense with the Force. It's not Star Wars.

EmmaMcG said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

It is not Lucas's vision.

We were challenged by the movie, we didn't need our memories destroyed.

Your memories were destroyed? Really?? Are you sure you're not exaggerating? I mean, it's not like the new Star Wars movies existence means the old ones don't exist anymore. You can go back and watch those any time. Like, I fucking hate that last Ghostbusters movie. Hate it with a passion. But it doesn't prevent me from enjoying the original movie. If you, or anyone else, don't like the new Star Wars movies then don't watch them. Forget about them. Stick with the original trilogy and pretend the rest don't exist. Personally, I don't rate George Lucas so I'm only too happy that these new movies don't represent his vision. He was heavily involved in 6 Star Wars movies and of those 6 movies, 2 were very good (Episodes 4 & 5), 2 were decent (Episodes 6 & 3) and 2 were really, really terrible (Episode 1 and 2). He had a great idea but he was never a good writer or director.

And.... TFA and TLJ contradict each other. and storylines and actions make no sense. Rey makes no sense.

OldFriends4Sale said:

EmmaMcG said:

Personally, I don't rate George Lucas so I'm only too happy that these new movies don't represent his vision. He was heavily involved in 6 Star Wars movies and of those 6 movies, 2 were very good (Episodes 4 & 5), 2 were decent (Episodes 6 & 3) and 2 were really, really terrible (Episode 1 and 2). He had a great idea but he was never a good writer or director.

I can agree with this, although I would put Episode 8 in the really, really terrible category, and Episode 7 as 'fair' (in between decent and terrible).

EmmaMcG said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Yes I'm exaggerating

But the continued Star Wars storytelling has destroyed what was. The Disney movies and direction have destroyed the canon that was and the storyline and characters that existed for 20yrs. We had the Jedi Order rebuilt but changed and open to exploring different avenues of the Force. The Disney storyline destroyed that. We had Leia Organa a trained Jedi Knight having helped rebuilt the Republic with others of the Old Republic and Rebellion having learned of the past. The Disney storyline put them back in as Rebels and worse, loosing.

This new storyline makes no sense with the Force. It's not Star Wars.

A lot of people would argue that George Lucas destroyed it when he made Episode 1. He did more damage to the Star Wars lore in the prequels than Disney has done. It's funny how a lot of people conveniently forget about the amount of inconsistencies and plot holes he's responsible for. And even if what you said was true that the new movies "make no sense", at least they're entertaining as standalone movies. That alone makes them more successful than half of the Star Wars movies which came before.

But it is George Lucas's baby. Not theirs. Let's remember, it is Sci Fiction. People also picked apart SW A New Hope and said it would be a failure. I don't see how he did damage to it, vs a bunch of cry babies who thought they had a better story. Yeah a lot of movies have plot holes and inconsistencies. Some people find fault with everything. It is still his vision, his story.

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Purple Rain had inconsistencies too, but I never let it stop me from still enjoying it. It's fiction. Like ST is Sci-Fiction.

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Naw SW SOLO was an entertaining stand alone film. TFA and TLJ are garbage -they cannot be called 'stand alone films' the are continuum films. Even Mark Hamill did not like the direction.

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They made money because SW fans are just hungry for more Star Wars. Not because they are good. It like investing in an album just to realize it is wack and so you talk it up and try to make it better than you know inside that it is. So that $ doesn't feel like a loss.

OldFriends4Sale said:

EmmaMcG said:

OldFriends4Sale said: A lot of people would argue that George Lucas destroyed it when he made Episode 1. He did more damage to the Star Wars lore in the prequels than Disney has done. It's funny how a lot of people conveniently forget about the amount of inconsistencies and plot holes he's responsible for. And even if what you said was true that the new movies "make no sense", at least they're entertaining as standalone movies. That alone makes them more successful than half of the Star Wars movies which came before.

But it is George Lucas's baby. Not theirs. Let's remember, it is Sci Fiction. People also picked apart SW A New Hope and said it would be a failure. I don't see how he did damage to it, vs a bunch of cry babies who thought they had a better story. Yeah a lot of movies have plot holes and inconsistencies. Some people find fault with everything. It is still his vision, his story.

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Purple Rain had inconsistencies too, but I never let it stop me from still enjoying it. It's fiction. Like ST is Sci-Fiction.

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Naw SW SOLO was an entertaining stand alone film. TFA and TLJ are garbage -they cannot be called 'stand alone films' the are continuum films. Even Mark Hamill did not like the direction.

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They made money because SW fans are just hungry for more Star Wars. Not because they are good. It like investing in an album just to realize it is wack and so you talk it up and try to make it better than you know inside that it is. So that $ doesn't feel like a loss.

Yikes, now I think Solo is absolute garbage. It's boring garbage even, if only people were as triggered by that one, but I'm pretty sure it's never been too much about the TLJ's quality, but about men-boys not happy with female protagonists. We saw this same fuming before Captain Marvel even came out.

Again, Solo is a truly bad film on every level but fans tread lightly on it.

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I think we start off with a fan base that is easily triggered, then get them exited with something to gnaw on, and watch the go.