RodeoSchro said:

kpowers said:

Make sure you don't watch Rob Zombie's Halloween 2

LOL, I won't.

I caught the last 2 minutes of "Hallowwen 5" before the original came on. I hope the first 118 or so minutes were better than what I saw, LOL.

If you get a chance watch both the theatrical release and the tv version. TV version has extra scenes and alternate ending (but the tv version cuts out some scenes from the the theatrical release such as some death scenes, nude scenes, swearing). Honestly part 2 was a real good ending to Halloween.

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kpowers said:

RodeoSchro said:

LOL, I won't.

I caught the last 2 minutes of "Hallowwen 5" before the original came on. I hope the first 118 or so minutes were better than what I saw, LOL.

If you get a chance watch both the theatrical release and the tv version. TV version has extra scenes and alternate ending (but the tv version cuts out some scenes from the the theatrical release such as some death scenes, nude scenes, swearing). Honestly part 2 was a real good ending to Halloween.

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Oh yeah, Halloween 2 was awesome.

That was the only other "Halloween" movie I ever saw.

I'm gonna go see it this weekend

Just saw it. REALLY dug it! So many cool allusions to the original! P. J. Soles!

I watched the credits all the way to end - as you should. I won't tell you what happens at the end but in watching the credits, I saw the film employed a "Fear Coordinator". Awesome!

Will Patton is in it. He's maybe my favorite character actor around. He was great, but he's always great!

If you liked the original, go see this one. I'm going to write a full review on the movie thread, but IT WILL CONTAIN ALL THE SPOILERS. So don't read it unless you want to know what happens.

Best thing? Go see the movie and THEN read my review. The movie is great!

RodeoSchro said:

I watched the original last night and still think it's the scariest movie I've ever seen.

Yeah. That.

As long as it's not dumb and/or filled with plot holes, I'm sure I'll be satsified.

Oh, well.

DaveT said:

But isn't that more realistic, and thus more frightening? Part of the reason Carpenters film was so scary is because it felt quite real, the scale of the thing and how it played out, an actual deranged man turning up on Halloween and killing babysitters ... once you start adding in figures like 64 deaths over a number of years with constant jailbreaks, police bungling, multiple gunshots and wounds survived, etc it starts to become unrealistic and, for me at least, less scary.

Uhm. Yeah, it is. But we're way past that point. We're 40 years later and Michael is notorious, at least the "real" Michael, for being a relentless, unstoppable killing machine. This Blumhouse Michael isn't. He's a deranged guy, who killed 3 teenagers on Halloween night 40 years ago and then got locked up. Does that warrant two british Podcasters coming to the states to report/investigate this very old/very cold case?? Like the guy in the movie says, it's nothing. That track record as a serial killer is not impressive and thus there wouldn't be a big deal made out of it. And Laurie would be quite crazy to go off the rails like she did.

I don't think he did wait 40 years, that just happens to be when the opportunity to escape came up. And if not, he's nuts so I don't think motivation or thinking comes in to it that much.

Yeah. That's true. He just took the supposedly first chance he got. Of course it's convenient that it just happened to be the day before Halloween and the day the mask was shown to him.

Point taken re. Laurie ... I think he just returned to Haddonfield to kill because that's all he knows. Laurie put herself in his path, he saw her, a moment of recall and he's after her again, simple as that. The sister thing had some plot holes in it anyway, I always thought that when I saw the original Part 2, and even Carpenter said it was a hokey thing he just chucked in there ... so even though I'm a bit sad a couple of the sequels I like are no longer canon, in terms of plot logic I can see it makes sense.

What holes? I thought it set him apart. Gave him sense and focus. And not just a random retard, who has to kill people. I mean, it worked in the first one. He saw her, got fixated on her, stalked her, tried to kill her. That was good for one movie. Some years later it was revealed "Wait a minute, that's his sister. Now, it makes sense. That's why he's so fixated on her.". I loved the reveal. It added another dimension.

Yeah. Obviously storywise they painted themselves into a corner from which it was hard to get out of. But still, those movies will always be the real Halloween to me. H2, H4 and to a lesser extent H5 are worthy sequels. Also H20, if we overlook the different timeline. Only H6 and HR were bottom of the barrel. As of now, this would be my ranking:

Halloween

H4

H20

H2

H2018

H5

RZH2

RZH
H6
HR

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Saw it last weekend and really enjoyed it

kpowers said:

Make sure you don't watch Rob Zombie's Halloween 2

Seriously, I don't get the hate for that one. It was better than the first one, which totally fell apart once it got to "present day" and really was bastardization of the original.

Sure RZH2 was a bit whacky and off-kilter, but at least it was original. Three lost souls (Laurie, Michael, Loomis) drifting through life until they got drawn together again. It was interesting, different and didn't feature too much of the white trash Rob Zombie crap, which is in every one of his movies.

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RodeoSchro said:

I caught the last 2 minutes of "Hallowwen 5" before the original came on. I hope the first 118 or so minutes were better than what I saw, LOL.

Yeah. The last 2 minutes sucked and ruined the whole movie. Also it took them 6 years, to come up with an explanation for it. But the rest of the movie is quite good.

PatrickS77 said:

RodeoSchro said:

I caught the last 2 minutes of "Hallowwen 5" before the original came on. I hope the first 118 or so minutes were better than what I saw, LOL.

Yeah. The last 2 minutes sucked and ruined the whole movie. Also it took them 6 years, to come up with an explanation for it. But the rest of the movie is quite good.

Maybe I'll be able to catch it.

I just posted my in-depth review of "Halloween (2018) on the Rate The Last Movie You Watched thread.

It has all the spoilers, so don't read it if you haven't yet seen the movie.

PatrickS77 said:

kpowers said:

Make sure you don't watch Rob Zombie's Halloween 2

Seriously, I don't get the hate for that one. It was better than the first one, which totally fell apart once it got to "present day" and really was bastardization of the original.

Sure RZH2 was a bit whacky and off-kilter, but at least it was original. Three lost souls (Laurie, Michael, Loomis) drifting through life until they got drawn together again. It was interesting, different and didn't feature too much of the white trash Rob Zombie crap, which is in every one of his movies.

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Because Rob Zombie has no business messing with Halloween. His interpretation was horrible. Now Lebron James wants to take over the Friday the 13th movies

kpowers said:

PatrickS77 said:

kpowers said:

Because Rob Zombie has no business messing with Halloween. His interpretation was horrible. Now Lebron James wants to take over the Friday the 13th movies

That's a pretty childish reason. The producees/owners of Halloween gave him the keys and told him to mess with it, First with a remake (which pretty much raped the original and came up short) and then an original in the remake series. And as that, the second one was quite good.

I speak the truth. He can't make music or movies. John Carpenter was unimpressive with Rob Zombies movies.

PatrickS77 said:

kpowers said:

Because Rob Zombie has no business messing with Halloween. His interpretation was horrible. Now Lebron James wants to take over the Friday the 13th movies

That's a pretty childish reason. The producees/owners of Halloween gave him the keys and told him to mess with it, First with a remake (which pretty much raped the original and came up short) and then an original in the remake series. And as that, the second one was quite good.

A weird response. What makes it childish if I don't like a movie? Makes no sense what so ever. I've seen a few of Rob Zombie movies and they all been horrible. Yes I give you that the his Halloween 2 was better than part 1. Hey if you like it more power to you. Once again Rob Zombie makes bad music and movies. I'm sure Rob Zombie considers himself a misunderstood creative genius but I don't see it.

kpowers said:

PatrickS77 said:

kpowers said:

A weird response. What makes it childish if I don't like a movie? Makes no sense what so ever. I've seen a few of Rob Zombie movies and they all been horrible. Yes I give you that the his Halloween 2 was better than part 1. Hey if you like it more power to you. Once again Rob Zombie makes bad music and movies. I'm sure Rob Zombie considers himself a misunderstood creative genius but I don't see it.

It's childish to say "Because Rob Zombie has no business messing with Halloween.", when clearly he does. He was hired and given full reign to exactly do that. They gave him money to do so. So he has a business. So,once you get over that (H1), why not just take it for what it's worth and judge accordingly? His number 2 was a decent movie. And part 1 of H1, apart from the white trash aspect, interesting.

100% disagree. Those who hire him are just corporate employees who's opinion means nothing to me. John Carpenter did not like Rob Zombies movies and his opinion matters.

kpowers said:

EmmaMcG said:

kpowers said:

100% disagree. Those who hire him are just corporate employees who's opinion means nothing to me. John Carpenter did not like Rob Zombies movies and his opinion matters.

Saying Rob Zombie has any business to make a Halloween movie is like saying Paul Feig has the right to make a Ghostbusters movie. And his Ghostbusters movie turned out about as well as Rob Zombie's Halloween. They were both crap. And hopefully now the studio executives realise that they had no business messing with classic movies in the first place.

Exactly. Thank you

kpowers said:

EmmaMcG said:

PatrickS77 said:

PatrickS77 said:

EmmaMcG said:

kpowers said:

PatrickS77 said:

EmmaMcG said:

PatrickS77 said:

PatrickS77 said:

kpowers said:

John Carpenter opinion does matter since it's his film. Rob Zombie has never made a good movie or song because he sucks. Those who hired him are fucking idiots especially letting him make a sequel. [Edited 10/26/18 19:11pm]

John Carpenter's opinion has no bearing on whether I like a movie. He is not the authority on whether a movie is good or not, see his track record. Besides, I'm not sure he ever said he outright hated te movies... but since he doesn't care for any of the sequels anyway, I don't really care. He's involved in the new one and that one isn't much better. And yes, Zombie's second is decent. Your hatred for him is laughable really. His movies have a certain style, Unfortunatly that shows in every one of them and makes him a bit of a one trick pony. It's your problem if you don't like that style. For Halloween I thought that was a bit too much, misplaced and it's the only thing that he really added to Halloween. On the second that was dialed back a bit and made for an enjoyable (despite all the dread) movie.

Disagree with you 100%. Exactly where does it say I hate Rob Zombie?. I hate his movies and music and there is a big difference. And yes I tried to like his music and movies but like myself and many other it is just falls flat on every level. Emma description said it best. In this debate John Carpenters opinion matters more to me then the corporate people who own the rights as you brought up. It's his movie. You can disagree with me all you want and I am fine with that. And for the record most of John Carpenters early movies (Halloween, the thing, the fog, escape from New York) are way better than anything Rob Zombie has done. Even John Carpenters so-so movies are better then any Rob Zombie movie. John Carpenter has been asked whether he like the Rob Zombie movies and stayed quit on the subject (the silence and the look on his face said it all). Even Rob Zombie told a story where he bumped into John Carpenter and was mad because John Carpenter didn't give him any praise for his interpretation of his Halloween.

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EmmaMcG said:

PatrickS77 said:

Well. That's a mtter of opinion. It's not like the Zombie movies have crap actors and this one has better actors. Also I don't think this one was better made. Not at all. It's all over the place. But whatever... [Edited 10/27/18 8:12am]

You can't really compare the box office of a movie released in 1978 to a movie released in 2007. Cinema tickets are much more expensive these days. Adjust for inflation, and the original Halloween movie made a good bit more than the Rob Zombie remake. And considering that the original movie was exactly that, ORIGINAL, and not based off what was already a well known franchise, that's quite a feat. It's not really a matter of opinion. Factually speaking, it's a poorly made movie. It looks cheap. The acting is bad. Those are not opinions. Those are facts. Opinions only come into the equation when we look past those obvious faults and decide whether we get any enjoyment from it regardless of these issues. Personally, I don't. If you do, then great. But I'm glad you're in the minority because it means there will be less shit movies with Rob Zombie's name attached to them in future.

100% agree with you Emma. Let's not forget the 1978 movie also had way less of a budget than the horrible Rob Zombie movie. Most of the budget went to pay Donald Pleasence. Also using the Captain Kirk mask for Michael Myers saved money. Also when Annie is on the phone talking to her boyfriend Paul that was really John Carpenter she was talking to (also saved money in not hiring somebody)

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PatrickS77 said:

EmmaMcG said:

I don't think movie producers have too much faith in Rob Zombie anymore. He generally only makes very low budget movies and even they don't make much, if any, profit. He's been found out, basically. And nobody will ever trust him with a big budget again. When was his last hit movie? When was his last critically acclaimed movie? He's never had either.

Well, his Halloween made the most out of all of them until that time.

The new Halloween may not be scary but it is well made, well shot and competently acted. 3 things missing from Rob Zombie's version.

Well. That's a mtter of opinion. It's not like the Zombie movies have crap actors and this one has better actors. Also I don't think this one was better made. Not at all. It's all over the place. But whatever... [Edited 10/27/18 8:12am]

I do like Malcolm McDowell (but Donald is still better) and Danielle Harris (because she was in part 4 & 5). The rest of the cast ehh