djThunderfunk said:

KoolEaze said:

The Whisperers storyline sounds interesting but I would not really be too unhappy if they skipped that storyline completely. I´m also not too keen on seeing the timejump happen on TV because that would probably make an encounter with the FTWD posse even more unlikely.

I´d like to see more communities, more explanations for the virus and where it came from, more of what´s left of "civilization", more of bigger cities such as Washington, NYC etc. but I guess that would be too costly.

I'd like to see conflict between the main groups of the two shows, where from each of their points of view they are the "heroes" and the other cast are the "villains".

I just watched a video on Youtube that came up with that very same suggestion, too.

10 Characters Who Really Need To Die In 'The Walking Dead' Season 8 Finale

10 Characters Who Really ...n 8 Finale

VERY interesting (and sorta funny) article.I don't agree with all of it,but it's an interesting read.

trying to decide whether to throw some meat on the grill,or just order pizza gonna be an amazing TV night!

SoulAlive said:

10 Characters Who Really Need To Die In 'The Walking Dead' Season 8 Finale

10 Characters Who Really ...n 8 Finale

VERY interesting (and sorta funny) article.I don't agree with all of it,but it's an interesting read.

He does have a valid point when it comes to Enid, Tara and a few others but there some on that list that I don´t want to go. And Eugene is among them. He may be annoying but I´m always curious about his next idea to save his ass.

KoolEaze said:

SoulAlive said:

10 Characters Who Really Need To Die In 'The Walking Dead' Season 8 Finale

10 Characters Who Really ...n 8 Finale

VERY interesting (and sorta funny) article.I don't agree with all of it,but it's an interesting read.

He does have a valid point when it comes to Enid, Tara and a few others but there some on that list that I don´t want to go. And Eugene is among them. He may be annoying but I´m always curious about his next idea to save his ass.

Eugene really gets on my nerves.I hate that guy I wish they'd put me on the show so I could kill him myself,lol.

Having said that.....if the spoilers that I heard are true.....Eugene may turn out to be a hero tonight

starting to make the popcorn for tonight now....

XxAxX said:

starting to make the popcorn for tonight now....

OMG!!!!

Spoiler Alert: A few thoughts on the season finale.If you haven't already seen the episode and want to be surprised,please do not read any further.

***Looks like Eugene,a character that many of us dislike,has turned out to be a hero his plan was sheer genuis and it worked beautifully.Gotta give him credit.He finally did something useful.

***Regarding Rick's decision to not kill Negan: I knew that Maggie would be pissed! I knew that this decision wouldn't sit well with her.I expect that,next season,there will be more than one person who goes to visit Negan in jail and attempt to kill him

***Surprisingly,no major character got killed in this episode.I thought for sure that the producers would use this epsisode to "clean house" and get rid of a few dead weight/unimportant characters

***Earlier in the season,wasn't Jesus all about "peace"? He was against killing people.Now all of a sudden,he wants to see Negan dead?! WTF?

***This episode was good,but perhaps a little over-hyped.I give it a B+.

***Unfortunately,the 4th season premiere of Fear The Walking Dead was awful.I almost fell asleep while it was on.The entire episode was mostly focused on Morgan! I wanted to see Madison and the others

One thing I had figured out was that Eugene was going to do something to sabotage the Saviors. Something about his post-haste to get the bullets made seemed to raise a flag with me.

I can see why people are grading it a B+. But let me defend it a bit. For longtime viewers, we are used to high impact finales. People dying, big moves, massive shots of life-changing situations, good or bad. To have a more subdued ending like this isn't B+ worthy per se. It's ending a particular storyline - which was really a short period of time for the characters in general - and almost rebooting themselves... for now.

It reminds me of the finale of Homeland a few years ago. It was the episode before the finale that had all the action and white-knuckling, and the finale was low key, tied up some loose ends, and set up things that could happen in the next season.

I believe it is okay, sometimes, to flip the script like that and not have every season feel like it rhymes with the previous one. George Lucas used to say that the Star Wars movies were like stanzas to a song. They had different words, but they rhymed and had a similar cadence. (Of course, he also thought Jar Jar Binks was a good idea.) This one definitely had a softer ending, with no major character deaths - although I was sure that maybe even Eugene, Dwight, or Gabriel would die at Negan's hand - and for now feels like there is a decent end to the season. It leaves so much open, opposed to setting up what is to come (eg: Negan bashing someone's head in but we don't know who for six months). We don't know what this new version of Rick will bring to the table.

But we'll find out in October.

I loved the Negan's expression in his face when Michone and Rick were delivering their speech, it was moving to see him frasgile and vulnerable for once. I liked the season finale, it wasn't as epic as I thought it would be. I for one, believed Negan would be killed, but I was wrong. Great opening scene the one with Rick and little Carl just walkin holding hands. By the way, what's goin on with Maggie, Jesus and Daryl, were they planning a complot agains Rick or something alike?

214 said:

I loved the Negan's expression in his face when Michone and Rick were delivering their speech, it was moving to see him frasgile and vulnerable for once. I liked the season finale, it wasn't as epic as I thought it would be. I for one, believed Negan would be killed, but I was wrong.
Great opening scene the one with Rick and little Carl just walkin holding hands. By the way, what's goin on with Maggie, Jesus and Daryl, were they planning a complot agains Rick or something alike?

They want Negan dead. They might want peace as well. But, to them, they can achieve that with Negan dead, not alive as an example of the past like Rick wants.

There has to be a conflict somewhere, and it isn't going to come from bitchy meetings with Negan being tied up in a barn somewhere. It will have to come from within.

And as far as that speech, I sort of think Negan was shell-shocked a bit. But his wheels are turning. He isn't going to be humbled so easily. Be assured he is already plotting his next move.

TrivialPursuit said:

214 said:

I loved the Negan's expression in his face when Michone and Rick were delivering their speech, it was moving to see him frasgile and vulnerable for once. I liked the season finale, it wasn't as epic as I thought it would be. I for one, believed Negan would be killed, but I was wrong.
Great opening scene the one with Rick and little Carl just walkin holding hands. By the way, what's goin on with Maggie, Jesus and Daryl, were they planning a complot agains Rick or something alike?

They want Negan dead. They might want peace as well. But, to them, they can achieve that with Negan dead, not alive as an example of the past like Rick wants.

There has to be a conflict somewhere, and it isn't going to come from bitchy meetings with Negan being tied up in a barn somewhere. It will have to come from within.

And as far as that speech, I sort of think Negan was shell-shocked a bit. But his wheels are turning. He isn't going to be humbled so easily. Be assured he is already plotting his next move.

You might be right

Well that was a bit ... underwhelming. Maybe it was because I've read the comics so I knew what was coming, but the final battle felt more like a minor skirmish than 'All Out War'.

The Eugene twist everyone had seen coming so was no surprise. The Rick saving Negan twist was as it was written in the comics so wasn't a surprise for fans. The only big surprise was that god awful scene with Maggie, Jesus and Daryl ... that might be the worst scene the show has ever done to date. It was so out of character for all three of them, it completely p*sses all over every episode to date that has built the relationship between Rick and the three of them.

I finally get why JDM has been growing that huge beard though ... the time jump will happen and it'll start with him in prison with a beard and long hair like he has in the comic.

Also it looks like the Whisperers have been revealed. They fence off their territory and hang around in a massive herd. When Rick and the group stood on top of that hill and looked out, you could see the herd and a fence/boundary line across the field just like the ones the Whisperers use.

I think the next season will jump ahead and it'll take a lot of episodes to fill in the blanks of what's happened over the last two or three years. Whatever Maggie is gonna pull she will have done it by then (no way she'll wait years to try something) so it'll start with the relationship between Maggie, Daryl, and Rick on a downer and we'll find out why in flashback ... then whatever crisis happens next will eventually bring them back together.

Have to give props to Lauren Cohen though for her acting at the point Rick said 'Save him' ... that moment was spot on. And I could just about believe she's be sat at that desk saying Rick needs to pay, but not Daryl or Jesus.

Credit to JDM for the moment when he gave Rick his ten seconds. There was a look on his face like he was finally breaking down emotionally which spoke volumes ... I though he might actually hold his hand out for a moment. They should have made more of that moment, hung on it a bit, so that the neck slashing was more of a shock ... it went by too quickly.

DaveT said:

The only big surprise was that god awful scene with Maggie, Jesus and Daryl ... that might be the worst scene the show has ever done to date. It was so out of character for all three of them, it completely p*sses all over every episode to date that has built the relationship between Rick and the three of them.

lol....yeah that scene was surprising I actually agree with them,though...Negan deserves to be killed.However,Daryl allowed Dwight to live and Jesus is supposed to be Mr. Peace Lover,lol.I can already see it now: next season,Negan will get a few "visitors" in jail and someone will try to kill him.

DaveT said:

Have to give props to Lauren Cohen though for her acting at the point Rick said 'Save him' ... that moment was spot on. And I could just about believe she's be sat at that desk saying Rick needs to pay, but not Daryl or Jesus.

Credit to JDM for the moment when he gave Rick his ten seconds. There was a look on his face like he was finally breaking down emotionally which spoke volumes ... I though he might actually hold his hand out for a moment. They should have made more of that moment, hung on it a bit, so that the neck slashing was more of a shock ... it went by too quickly.

You know what should have happened? At the exact moment that Rick decided to not kill Negan,Maggie should have went crazy,rushed up there,and killed Negan herself.That would have been extremely shocking and unexpected (and satisfying to the fans)!

SoulAlive said:

DaveT said:

Have to give props to Lauren Cohen though for her acting at the point Rick said 'Save him' ... that moment was spot on. And I could just about believe she's be sat at that desk saying Rick needs to pay, but not Daryl or Jesus.

Credit to JDM for the moment when he gave Rick his ten seconds. There was a look on his face like he was finally breaking down emotionally which spoke volumes ... I though he might actually hold his hand out for a moment. They should have made more of that moment, hung on it a bit, so that the neck slashing was more of a shock ... it went by too quickly.

You know what should have happened? At the exact moment that Rick decided to not kill Negan,Maggie should have went crazy,rushed up there,and killed Negan herself.That would have been extremely shocking and unexpected (and satisfying to the fans)!

Nooooo ... Negan is too good a character to kill off and JDM is one of the best things to happen to the show. Its like if the Batman comics killed off the Joker for good.

And morally, I agree with Rick. Someone has to take the high ground and stop the killing otherwise where would it all stop? ... Carl got that, that we have to try and rebuild.

I get why Maggie wants his head (and if Negan had killed my wife I'd want him dead to - actually, I'd have done alot more than Maggie did to make that happen, she did virtually nothing!) ... but Daryl and Jesus? Surely they have to respect Carl's dying wish and Rick's choice. In fact it could be argued that Negan will suffer more being locked up for the rest of his life.

And they all seem to forget that it was Rick's group that started the killing. There could have been a Glenn or an Abraham at the outpost they attacked. Negan himself should have made more of that point when arguing with Rick and the others.

DaveT said:

SoulAlive said:

You know what should have happened? At the exact moment that Rick decided to not kill Negan,Maggie should have went crazy,rushed up there,and killed Negan herself.That would have been extremely shocking and unexpected (and satisfying to the fans)!

Nooooo ... Negan is too good a character to kill off and JDM is one of the best things to happen to the show. Its like if the Batman comics killed off the Joker for good.

And morally, I agree with Rick. Someone has to take the high ground and stop the killing otherwise where would it all stop? ... Carl got that, that we have to try and rebuild.

I get why Maggie wants his head (and if Negan had killed my wife I'd want him dead to - actually, I'd have done alot more than Maggie did to make that happen, she did virtually nothing!) ... but Daryl and Jesus? Surely they have to respect Carl's dying wish and Rick's choice. In fact it could be argued that Negan will suffer more being locked up for the rest of his life.

And they all seem to forget that it was Rick's group that started the killing. There could have been a Glenn or an Abraham at the outpost they attacked. Negan himself should have made more of that point when arguing with Rick and the others.

^this. Rick and company have no moral high ground at all, after killing a bunch of strangers in their sleep, all based on the word of people they hardly knew

DaveT said:

Nooooo ... Negan is too good a character to kill off and JDM is one of the best things to happen to the show. Its like if the Batman comics killed off the Joker for good.

I just think that,the show had a chance to really "move on" from the last two seasons,and explore some new ideas.By keeping Negan around,it will be a constant reminder of the last two seasons (which many fans didn't really enjoy).Even though he will be in a jail cell,he will be probably (still) be a big focus of the show.Killing him off would have sent a strong message that the writers are listening to the fans/viewers that want closure.

DaveT said:

Well that was a bit ... underwhelming. Maybe it was because I've read the comics so I knew what was coming, but the final battle felt more like a minor skirmish than 'All Out War'.

The Eugene twist everyone had seen coming so was no surprise. The Rick saving Negan twist was as it was written in the comics so wasn't a surprise for fans. The only big surprise was that god awful scene with Maggie, Jesus and Daryl ... that might be the worst scene the show has ever done to date. It was so out of character for all three of them, it completely p*sses all over every episode to date that has built the relationship between Rick and the three of them.

I finally get why JDM has been growing that huge beard though ... the time jump will happen and it'll start with him in prison with a beard and long hair like he has in the comic.

Also it looks like the Whisperers have been revealed. They fence off their territory and hang around in a massive herd. When Rick and the group stood on top of that hill and looked out, you could see the herd and a fence/boundary line across the field just like the ones the Whisperers use.

I think the next season will jump ahead and it'll take a lot of episodes to fill in the blanks of what's happened over the last two or three years. Whatever Maggie is gonna pull she will have done it by then (no way she'll wait years to try something) so it'll start with the relationship between Maggie, Daryl, and Rick on a downer and we'll find out why in flashback ... then whatever crisis happens next will eventually bring them back together.

I don´t like the idea of Daryl and Maggie plotting against Rick either. I mean, what are they going to do? Kill Rick ? That would be a terrible direction for the show after all that they´ve been through.

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And ......Jesus wants Morgan to be peaceful again and wants him to stop killing people, yet he´s plotting against Rick with Maggie? To kill him? That doesn´t make much sense.

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That scene with the Whisperers....thanks for telling me what that scene showed. Seriously, I couldn´t see anything, it just looked like a forest or bushes to me. So that was a huge walker herd?

I think this is the second time I recognize something thanks to you. Watching the show on my laptop is not as good as watching it on a big screen TV. I should connect my laptop to my big TV screen the next time.

DaveT said:

Have to give props to Lauren Cohen though for her acting at the point Rick said 'Save him' ... that moment was spot on. And I could just about believe she's be sat at that desk saying Rick needs to pay, but not Daryl or Jesus.

Credit to JDM for the moment when he gave Rick his ten seconds. There was a look on his face like he was finally breaking down emotionally which spoke volumes ... I though he might actually hold his hand out for a moment. They should have made more of that moment, hung on it a bit, so that the neck slashing was more of a shock ... it went by too quickly.

I loved that scene and I think JDM is the best thing to happen to TWD.

But what was that near-breakdown about? Was he sad because of Carl? Did he finally have regrets?

What happened there?

SoulAlive said:

Spoiler Alert: A few thoughts on the season finale.If you haven't already seen the episode and want to be surprised,please do not read any further.

***Looks like Eugene,a character that many of us dislike,has turned out to be a hero his plan was sheer genuis and it worked beautifully.Gotta give him credit.He finally did something useful.

***Regarding Rick's decision to not kill Negan: I knew that Maggie would be pissed! I knew that this decision wouldn't sit well with her.I expect that,next season,there will be more than one person who goes to visit Negan in jail and attempt to kill him

***Surprisingly,no major character got killed in this episode.I thought for sure that the producers would use this epsisode to "clean house" and get rid of a few dead weight/unimportant characters

***Earlier in the season,wasn't Jesus all about "peace"? He was against killing people.Now all of a sudden,he wants to see Negan dead?! WTF?

***This episode was good,but perhaps a little over-hyped.I give it a B+.

***Unfortunately,the 4th season premiere of Fear The Walking Dead was awful.I almost fell asleep while it was on.The entire episode was mostly focused on Morgan! I wanted to see Madison and the others

Yeah, the Jesus bit didn´t make much sense to me. He wants Negan dead yet he criticizes Morgan for killing killers?

So.....has FTWD already started? And is Morgan already in it? Sounds very confusing to me. Have to check that out today.

I really like FTWD. Nice change of location(s). I wonder how they managed to make Morgan meet the FTWD bunch. Will probably watch it tonight now that I know it´s already started.

I do not believe Negan could have been saved. The cut could not have been super deep but it was deep enough to need major surgical intervention. I just do not think they could have saved him.

The Maggie-Darryl-Jesus twist could have been a game-changer even 2 years ago. Now, it's a jump the shark moment. This series needs to end.

OnlyNDaUsa said:

I do not believe Negan could have been saved. The cut could not have been super deep but it was deep enough to need major surgical intervention. I just do not think they could have saved him.

Keep in mind that Said is a doctor and he was standing nearby.

But yeah, I guess you´re right, he would have bled to death while being carried to Hilltop.

Some viewers think that Maggie/Daryl/Jesus are plotting to kill Rick I don't think that's what Maggie was saying at all.She simply disagrees with Rick's decision to keep Negan alive.She seems to be saying "If Rick won't kill him,then we will".I can imagine the mid-season finale featuring Negan possibly getting killed,or someone at least trying to kill him.

SoulAlive said:

Some viewers think that Maggie/Daryl/Jesus are plotting to kill Rick I don't think that's what Maggie was saying at all.She simply disagrees with Rick's decision to keep Negan alive.She seems to be saying "If Rick won't kill him,then we will".I can imagine the mid-season finale featuring Negan possibly getting killed,or someone at least trying to kill him.

That's true. But why keep this whole thing going?

They lost their way when they took away the larger threat on the show.

Now it seems that the walkers are simply window dressing for a never-ending, two-dimensional, Group-v-Group struggle.

SoulAlive said:

Some viewers think that Maggie/Daryl/Jesus are plotting to kill Rick I don't think that's what Maggie was saying at all.She simply disagrees with Rick's decision to keep Negan alive.She seems to be saying "If Rick won't kill him,then we will".I can imagine the mid-season finale featuring Negan possibly getting killed,or someone at least trying to kill him.

Could be. But if JMD/Negan is growing a beard and long hair for next season then there´s possibly the timejump that´s in the graphic novel and I doubt that Maggie and Daryl would wait a couple of years to kill him.

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I just watched the new episode of FTWD and I thought it was great. It was a bit strange to meet our TWD people in it but it was interesting to see the two shows finally connect.

But....just like we´re expecting a possible timelapse in TWD, there must´ve been some sort of huge timelapse on FTWD as well, because otherwise Morgan´s encounter with the FTWD crew wouldn´t make any chronological sense. First of all, Nick and Victor Strand and all those FTWD folks are still in the very early stages of the apocalypse, and Rick´s people are at least three years in the future, and then there´s that huge distance that Morgan mostly walked and sometimes drove.

I wonder how many years have passed in the world of Nick , Victor Strand and Daniel.

Good to see them again. And a nice change of scenery.

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