SuperFurryAnimal said:

benni said:

PennyPurple said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

yeah, they are old. but their condition is maltreatment.

No, their condition is called USED by multiple students.

bull that is NOT normal wear and tear. If it was they would all look about the same,

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

PennyPurple said:

No, their condition is called USED by multiple students.

bull

Bull.

endymion said:

benni said:

Craig Troxell steps precariously across a customer's roof, marking hail damage from yet another Oklahoma storm. He still smells of the freshly cut grass from the swanky side of town, where he had just mowed lawns to make a few extra dollars.

But Troxell, 50, isn't a landscaper nor roof salesman by trade. He's a full-time high school science teacher who works four jobs to make ends meet.

Oklahoma is among the bottom three st...r salaries, where educators often work about 10 years before reaching the $40,000 salary mark. And they haven't gotten a raise from the state in 10 years.

Several teachers told CNN they're working multiple jobs in food delivery, retail, rideshare driving, restaurants and even surrogate pregnancy to pay the bills. Some now rely on a food bank to feed their own children.

Moy teaches high school algebra, drives a school bus in the afternoon, coaches football and wrestling, umpires Little League baseball and drives for rideshare services.

All of that combined, Moy said, brings home about $36,000 a year after taxes.

"Last night I drove Lyft and Uber for six, seven hours," Moy said. "When you have to do that to help supplement your income, it's tough when you don't get home when your kids go to bed."

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This is why the teachers in Oklahoma are on strike. When they have to supplement food by going to a food bank, have to work 4 to 6 jobs to earn extra income in order to pay their bills, take care of their families....then we are failing those teachers.

Thanks for sharing Bren I think, to be fair, teachers in the US have a much shittier deal than we do in the UK.

I was listening to some other news stuff, where a lot of schools here have to recruit outside the country for teachers in a lot of districts.

gandorb said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

they get between $20 and $30 an hour that is not bad. That is about $60K corrected for days worked.

You must be clueless about teachers. You have no idea how many hours above the scheduled time may teachers put in. There is a reason why there is so much teacher burnout compared to other jobs. Moreover, they keep adding non-teaching components to the jobs that they didn't sign on for. I guess you think you know more than the 40,000 teachers about their jobs and situations.

Like now they may have to be trained sharpshooters so we can keep the guns flowing...

Those teachers want money for the schools. Some are only open Monday-Thursday to save money on utilities, maintenence, and gas for buses. It's not like they have a normal school week with breakfast for their kids in the first place. Did you see the books? Shredded. And no money for paper - they run out. The school budget has been slashed to the bone by the (greedy oil interests) state. Striking is a necessary tool.

poppys said:

gandorb said:

You must be clueless about teachers. You have no idea how many hours above the scheduled time may teachers put in. There is a reason why there is so much teacher burnout compared to other jobs. Moreover, they keep adding non-teaching components to the jobs that they didn't sign on for. I guess you think you know more than the 40,000 teachers about their jobs and situations.

Like now they may have to be trained sharpshooters so we can keep the guns flowing...

Those teachers want money for the schools. Some are only open Monday-Thursday to save money on utilities, maintenence, and gas for buses. It's not like they have a normal school week with breakfast for their kids in the first place. Did you see the books? Shredded. And no money for paper - they run out. The school budget has been slashed to the bone by the (greedy oil interests) state. Striking is a necessary tool.

but none of that the lack of supplies has anything to do with if a state/district/individual staff member chooses to have a gun.

and do you think the photos represent normal use even over 10 years?

Somebody should walk it off.

NorthC said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

poppys said:

Like now they may have to be trained sharpshooters so we can keep the guns flowing...

Those teachers want money for the schools. Some are only open Monday-Thursday to save money on utilities, maintenence, and gas for buses. It's not like they have a normal school week with breakfast for their kids in the first place. Did you see the books? Shredded. And no money for paper - they run out. The school budget has been slashed to the bone by the (greedy oil interests) state. Striking is a necessary tool.

but none of that the lack of supplies has anything to do with if a state/district/individual staff member chooses to have a gun.

and do you think the photos represent normal use even over 10 years?

Yes, that is normal wear and tear on books over 10 years. Kids have backpacks crammed full of stuff that are required for their classes. Many of those kids do not have time between classes to go to their lockers before going to the next class, and have to make sure those books are available, so they are crammed in with everything else.

My 14 year old daughter's backpack, when packed with what she needs for the day at middle school, weighs approximately 8 to 10 lbs on any given day. This includes separate 3 ring binders, which each of her classes requires. (I've wanted to combine her classes into one binder, but the teachers balk at the idea, and tell me that she is graded on the set up of her binder in a specific way they require). The weight also includes a math book, a social studies book, and a science book. My daughter weighs a mere 92 lbs. She actually carries a second bag to put extra paper and homework in.

Also, many of these kids have younger siblings at home that may get ahold of the book, when the student isn't around. And yes, kids are hard on text books, just tossing them on the table or desk at home. But a school text book, especially, does not last long. Now, in a classroom in which they have to share text books, and you have 5 kids handling the same text book, multiply it's use by the number of kids handling it. And keep in mind, that many textbooks in poorer school districts are probably older than 10 years.

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endymion said:

benni said:

Craig Troxell steps precariously across a customer's roof, marking hail damage from yet another Oklahoma storm. He still smells of the freshly cut grass from the swanky side of town, where he had just mowed lawns to make a few extra dollars.

But Troxell, 50, isn't a landscaper nor roof salesman by trade. He's a full-time high school science teacher who works four jobs to make ends meet.

Oklahoma is among the bottom three st...r salaries, where educators often work about 10 years before reaching the $40,000 salary mark. And they haven't gotten a raise from the state in 10 years.

Several teachers told CNN they're working multiple jobs in food delivery, retail, rideshare driving, restaurants and even surrogate pregnancy to pay the bills. Some now rely on a food bank to feed their own children.

Moy teaches high school algebra, drives a school bus in the afternoon, coaches football and wrestling, umpires Little League baseball and drives for rideshare services.

All of that combined, Moy said, brings home about $36,000 a year after taxes.

"Last night I drove Lyft and Uber for six, seven hours," Moy said. "When you have to do that to help supplement your income, it's tough when you don't get home when your kids go to bed."

_________________________________________________________________________

This is why the teachers in Oklahoma are on strike. When they have to supplement food by going to a food bank, have to work 4 to 6 jobs to earn extra income in order to pay their bills, take care of their families....then we are failing those teachers.

Thanks for sharing Bren I think, to be fair, teachers in the US have a much shittier deal than we do in the UK.

You may be right about that Simon.

poppys said:

gandorb said:

You must be clueless about teachers. You have no idea how many hours above the scheduled time may teachers put in. There is a reason why there is so much teacher burnout compared to other jobs. Moreover, they keep adding non-teaching components to the jobs that they didn't sign on for. I guess you think you know more than the 40,000 teachers about their jobs and situations.

Like now they may have to be trained sharpshooters so we can keep the guns flowing...

Those teachers want money for the schools. Some are only open Monday-Thursday to save money on utilities, maintenence, and gas for buses. It's not like they have a normal school week with breakfast for their kids in the first place. Did you see the books? Shredded. And no money for paper - they run out. The school budget has been slashed to the bone by the (greedy oil interests) state. Striking is a necessary tool.

That is so sad. And we wonder why the U.S. education system is a mess. I have friends who've worked in NYC schools....they deserve combat pay for what they have to deal with.