Genesia said:

Genesia said:

You don't think teacher strikes harm kids? Really? Strikes hurt families TERRIBLY.

They call in substitute teachers? I bet you anything they don't. The teacher unions would be out there picketing and screaming "scab" at anyone who would cross the picket lines - just like in every other union fight.

What happens when kids aren't in school - where they're supposed to be for approximately 180 days a year (depending on the state and school district)? Parents have to take care of them - or arrange alternative care during the day. Who do you think this hurts the most? Poor families - who have fewer resources for arranging alternative care for their kids during a strike. Those parents have to give up work and lose pay (maybe lose their job entirely), pay for someone to watch the kids (which they can ill afford), or let their kids run wild. Some choice.

School years are set by state statute. That means that if the kids aren't in school now, they're going to have to be in school during the summer. That means families can't plan for vacations, kids who are old enough can't arrange summer jobs (and will lose pay), or engage in other activities.

I don't know the issues in Oklahoma and will refrain from commenting on that strike, specifically. But it's just ridiculous to think that no one is harmed when teachers strike.

Edited to note: I was a sophomore in high school when the teachers in the district where I lived went on a two-week strike in January of 1976. In addition, I was a sophomore in college when the teaching assistants at the college I attended went on strike in the spring of 1980. I have been hurt personally by two strikes by teachers. (In one case, nearly flunking out because I was enrolled in a very difficult 5-credit class that I couldn't pass when the discussion sections - taught by TAs - were cancelled and the TA I had hired as a tutor also quit in that respect.) I know what I'm talking about.

Oh! One more thing regarding strikes and poor kids:

Many children are eligible for free or discounted breakfast and lunch at school. What happens when there is a strike and there is no school? Now, parents who already have a hard time providing adequate nutrition have to come up with additional meals at home. How many kids are going hungry as a result?

Nope. No harm, at all.

they likely still provide it. I know many schools here have summer lunch programs

OnlyNDaUsa said:

Genesia said:

Oh! One more thing regarding strikes and poor kids:

Many children are eligible for free or discounted breakfast and lunch at school. What happens when there is a strike and there is no school? Now, parents who already have a hard time providing adequate nutrition have to come up with additional meals at home. How many kids are going hungry as a result?

Nope. No harm, at all.

they likely still provide it. I know many schools here have summer lunch programs

They still provide it? No, they don't. Schools are locked up tight during a strike.

If those kids were still going to get lunch, the Democratic Socialists of America (which is in sympathy with the strike) wouldn't be soliciting donations to feed the 400,000 kids in Oklahoma who aren't going to get fed.

https://www.youcaring.com...a-1127141

The teachers walked out? Hope it was not during the summer or the extensive breaks that these expendables have.

Genesia said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

they likely still provide it. I know many schools here have summer lunch programs

They still provide it? No, they don't. Schools are locked up tight during a strike.

If those kids were still going to get lunch, the Democratic Socialists of America (which is in sympathy with the strike) wouldn't be soliciting donations to feed the 400,000 kids in Oklahoma who aren't going to get fed.

https://www.youcaring.com...a-1127141

that is too bad... so they do not set up at parks for sack lunches?

Oh and I have confirmed the schools are CLOSED. But the kids may have to make up the time,

Genesia said:

You don't think teacher strikes harm kids? Really? Strikes hurt families TERRIBLY.

Underpaying them and teachers buying supplies and schools falling apart is worse.

I never understood why people are so willing to sacrifice teachers well-being and livelihood but look the other way when cops - who murder people daily without regard and are put on paid vacation until a press statement is released saying they investigated themselves and found themselves innocent - get raises and march over everyone in their way. Teachers should be one of the highest paid and well-respected positions in the United States.

Mary Fallon can suck a dick.

TrivialPursuit said:

Underpaying them and teachers buying supplies and schools falling apart is worse.

I never understood why people are so willing to sacrifice teachers well-being and livelihood but look the other way when cops - who murder people daily without regard and are put on paid vacation until a press statement is released saying they investigated themselves and found themselves innocent - get raises and march over everyone in their way. Teachers should be one of the highest paid and well-respected positions in the United States.

Mary Fallon can suck a dick.

I agree!

My daughter is a 2nd grade teacher and it's unbelievable how much of their own money they spend. I buy tons of school supplies when they are on sale because some kids can't afford to bring any in, and she doesn't want any of her kids to feel less then the others.

Genesia said:

Genesia said:

SuperFurryAnimal said:

gandorb said:

Funny how the Oklahoma's legislature pays itself well above many states but there is no money for teachers there. Says a lot about their values.

how many of them are there?

maplenpg said:

Genesia said:

Oh! One more thing regarding strikes and poor kids:

Many children are eligible for free or discounted breakfast and lunch at school. What happens when there is a strike and there is no school? Now, parents who already have a hard time providing adequate nutrition have to come up with additional meals at home. How many kids are going hungry as a result?

Nope. No harm, at all.

One of the reasons (one of many) I left my teaching job was because of immoral actions taken by the school. This included stopping breakfast club for the children in poverty whilst continuing to provide senior management with a cooked breakfast everyday. We were leading up to strikes - reinstating breakfast club was/is on the agenda for the change we wanted to see. Sadly kids go without food at weekends, school holidays and even snow days - there was an article in yesterday's news about children stealing school dinners because they were so hungry. Teachers strikes have the best interests of the children at heart,even if it might not seem that way on the surface.

That happened to a nearby school. An outside group provided a once a week breakfast for the lowest income kids. It was all before school and the group not only paid for everything but also gave the kids backpacks with supplies, clothes, and even some cell phones. But because those kids were on free meals... the FED tried to stop them! But the principal held strong and they were allowed to continue.

SuperFurryAnimal said:

The teachers walked out? Hope it was not during the summer or the extensive breaks that these expendables have.

That is a little unfair. Teachers do not set the schedule and they do not get paid for summer. Most if not all schools do spread pay over the full year so they may get a paid over summer but it is just delayed compensation. Same with days off. And as I remember most of the time when we had days off the teachers had meetings.

The school where my daughter teaches at, sends home food in the kids backpacks every Friday for the weekend. While the kids are on recess their backpacks get loaded so the other kids don't know. They send them home stuff like oranges, bananas, oatmeal, snack bars, juice boxes, etc.

They don't play in OK...

purplethunder3121 said:

They don't play in OK...

if you don't like the money get another job honey

Yeah, shame on teachers for wanting too much. How dare they!

These are pictures from a school in Oklahoma, today.

a chair like the yellow one should last 30 years... and most would if not for vandalism.


and how old are those books? are they more than 5 years old or are they just victims of vandalism?


edit: I see those government books are 10 years old. that is old. are those still the ones that are being used? or were they old books a teacher choose to keep when newer ones were issued?

if we could vet those photos...



But YES the books in the photo need to be replaced. but I have to say a textbook should last more than 5 years.

[Edited 4/3/18 11:35am]

oh and I call BS on them striking over old books or broken chairs...

Ignorance runs amuck...

not agreeing is not the same an ignorance.

morningsong said:

Yes, 40,000. Now I've heard of district strikes but an entire state? https://www.usatoday.com/...476809002/

Maybe small states like Rhode Island. I know in Hawaii teachers across the state have strike in the past.

OnlyNDaUsa said:

kpowers said:

morningsong said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

a chair like the yellow one should last 30 years... and most would if not for vandalism.


and how old are those books? are they more than 5 years old or are they just victims of vandalism?


edit: I see those government books are 10 years old. that is old. are those still the ones that are being used? or were they old books a teacher choose to keep when newer ones were issued?

if we could vet those photos...



But YES the books in the photo need to be replaced. but I have to say a textbook should last more than 5 years.

[Edited 4/3/18 11:35am]

According to the people who actually work there, these are the books issued. Ive heard this kind of thing is very common across the country. Outdated material being used to educate students.

yeah, they are old. but their condition is maltreatment.

OnlyNDaUsa said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

morningsong said:

OnlyNDaUsa said: According to the people who actually work there, these are the books issued. Ive heard this kind of thing is very common across the country. Outdated material being used to educate students.

yeah, they are old. but their condition is maltreatment.

No, their condition is called USED by multiple students.