kpowers said:

EmmaMcG said:

kpowers said:

That's her name? Thought her acting was bad

She's Johnny Depp's ex.

Her acting was bad

Neversin said:

djThunderfunk said:

The best scene in Justice League is the scene near the beginning that's just Wonder Woman against the terrorists, so, I don't see Wonder Woman degraded by Whedon at all.

That was a Snyder scene... Whedon only changed the ending to the building not blowing up...

Neversin.

If that is the case, how did Whedon degrade Wonder Woman. If what you say is correct, most of WW's scenes in JL are Snyder scenes.

As for the "men with tits" comment, I find that odd. Most fangirls I know, including my wife, love Whedon's portrayal of strong women. Until the misguided opinions of his portrayal of Scarlet Witch in Age Of Ultron, I never heard a single complaint from women about his female characters. In fact I often heard the opposite.

Whedon is not the problem with regards to the JL movie. WB interference is the problem.

djThunderfunk said:

kpowers said:

Man, this movie literally passed me by. How the ---- did that happen? Welp, I'll catch up.

djThunderfunk said:

Neversin said:

That was a Snyder scene... Whedon only changed the ending to the building not blowing up...

Neversin.

If that is the case, how did Whedon degrade Wonder Woman. If what you say is correct, most of WW's scenes in JL are Snyder scenes.

As for the "men with tits" comment, I find that odd. Most fangirls I know, including my wife, love Whedon's portrayal of strong women. Until the misguided opinions of his portrayal of Scarlet Witch in Age Of Ultron, I never heard a single complaint from women about his female characters. In fact I often heard the opposite.

Whedon is not the problem with regards to the JL movie. WB interference is the problem.

i don't know if this is whedon or snyder (i'd suspect snyder) but i thought there was a rather leering quality in the way ww was shot in several scenes, like the camera was ogling her, that wasn't present in her stand-alone movie. i'm thinking particularly of the scene where i believe she meets cyborg & the camera lingers very deliberately on her butt, and a very quick scene where the flash lands on top of her in a 'missionary-position.'

not that i'm a prude, certainly, but there was an adolescent, teenaged horniness feel to some of her scenes, & i'm willing to bet that's a snyder-ism.

damosuzuki said:

EmmaMcG said:

damosuzuki said:

i don't know if this is whedon or snyder (i'd suspect snyder) but i thought there was a rather leering quality in the way ww was shot in several scenes, like the camera was ogling her, that wasn't present in her stand-alone movie. i'm thinking particularly of the scene where i believe she meets cyborg & the camera lingers very deliberately on her butt, and a very quick scene where the flash lands on top of her in a 'missionary-position.'

not that i'm a prude, certainly, but there was an adolescent, teenaged horniness feel to some of her scenes, & i'm willing to bet that's a snyder-ism.

Whether it was Snyder or Whedon I don't see the issue with a bit of ogling. Let's face it, they don't waste the opportunity to show Henry Cavill without his shirt on every chance they get. If Wonder Woman was the only character "subjected" to such treatment then I might see a problem with it but if anything, it's the men in this series which has been the subject of ogling more so than the women. Henry Cavill, Ben Affleck and Jason Momoa have all been in scenes which show off their bodies. Plus, there were a few instances in the Wonder Woman solo movie which focused on Gal Gadot's ASSets so I don't think it's a "male director" issue. It's more of a "sex sells" issue and there's nothing wrong with that.

Over in the Black Panther Affect thread there's many a lustful comments about the male bodies in the Marvel movies. Sex does sell. Men AND women like to see sexy bodies on screen. Shaming those that sell it or those that are turned on by it is simply nonsense.

damosuzuki said:

djThunderfunk said:

If that is the case, how did Whedon degrade Wonder Woman. If what you say is correct, most of WW's scenes in JL are Snyder scenes.

As for the "men with tits" comment, I find that odd. Most fangirls I know, including my wife, love Whedon's portrayal of strong women. Until the misguided opinions of his portrayal of Scarlet Witch in Age Of Ultron, I never heard a single complaint from women about his female characters. In fact I often heard the opposite.

Whedon is not the problem with regards to the JL movie. WB interference is the problem.

i don't know if this is whedon or snyder (i'd suspect snyder) but i thought there was a rather leering quality in the way ww was shot in several scenes, like the camera was ogling her, that wasn't present in her stand-alone movie. i'm thinking particularly of the scene where i believe she meets cyborg & the camera lingers very deliberately on her butt, and a very quick scene where the flash lands on top of her in a 'missionary-position.'

not that i'm a prude, certainly, but there was an adolescent, teenaged horniness feel to some of her scenes, & i'm willing to bet that's a snyder-ism.

Exactly those scenes were discussed on some boards and were confirmed to be some of the dubious things shot by Whedon during his reshoots... Gal Gadot didn't even like those shots and opted for a body double... None of the actors seemed to acknowledge Whedon during the reshoots...

Neversin.

Neversin said:

damosuzuki said:

i don't know if this is whedon or snyder (i'd suspect snyder) but i thought there was a rather leering quality in the way ww was shot in several scenes, like the camera was ogling her, that wasn't present in her stand-alone movie. i'm thinking particularly of the scene where i believe she meets cyborg & the camera lingers very deliberately on her butt, and a very quick scene where the flash lands on top of her in a 'missionary-position.'

not that i'm a prude, certainly, but there was an adolescent, teenaged horniness feel to some of her scenes, & i'm willing to bet that's a snyder-ism.

Exactly those scenes were discussed on some boards and were confirmed to be some of the dubious things shot by Whedon during his reshoots... Gal Gadot didn't even like those shots and opted for a body double... None of the actors seemed to acknowledge Whedon during the reshoots...

Neversin.

interesting & i'm not surprised to hear gadot objected. i won't be shocked if she says more on that when we get a few years away from the project.

EmmaMcG said:

damosuzuki said:

i don't know if this is whedon or snyder (i'd suspect snyder) but i thought there was a rather leering quality in the way ww was shot in several scenes, like the camera was ogling her, that wasn't present in her stand-alone movie. i'm thinking particularly of the scene where i believe she meets cyborg & the camera lingers very deliberately on her butt, and a very quick scene where the flash lands on top of her in a 'missionary-position.'

not that i'm a prude, certainly, but there was an adolescent, teenaged horniness feel to some of her scenes, & i'm willing to bet that's a snyder-ism.

Whether it was Snyder or Whedon I don't see the issue with a bit of ogling. Let's face it, they don't waste the opportunity to show Henry Cavill without his shirt on every chance they get. If Wonder Woman was the only character "subjected" to such treatment then I might see a problem with it but if anything, it's the men in this series which has been the subject of ogling more so than the women. Henry Cavill, Ben Affleck and Jason Momoa have all been in scenes which show off their bodies. Plus, there were a few instances in the Wonder Woman solo movie which focused on Gal Gadot's ASSets so I don't think it's a "male director" issue. It's more of a "sex sells" issue and there's nothing wrong with that.

i'm the last person who'll argue against a bit of well-placed sleaze in his films. as i never tire of telling people, my favourite film is beyond the valley of the dolls. i love a bit of trash.

but there's a time & place for such things. this is a movie made for a broad audience, young kids among them, & i don't think it's pearl-clutching, think of the children hysterics to say that it'd not very cool to have such a leering quality in a film aimed at least in part at younger people. when you consider just months earlier there was a massively successful film featuring that character that was trumpeted as a triumph, something for extremely young girls to celebrate as a role model, openly ogling her that same year is really a bit of a betrayal to those kids.

i haven't seen ww since it opened, so my memory of it has dimmed, & while they definitely did not try to tamp down her sex appeal or dim her looks, i don't think the camera ever blatantly eye-humped gadot the way it did in jl.
it's not my only problem with the film, or the biggest one for that matter - just needlessly trashy in a way that undermined the good will they'd built up for that character just a few months earlier.

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EmmaMcG said:

damosuzuki said:

i don't know if this is whedon or snyder (i'd suspect snyder) but i thought there was a rather leering quality in the way ww was shot in several scenes, like the camera was ogling her, that wasn't present in her stand-alone movie. i'm thinking particularly of the scene where i believe she meets cyborg & the camera lingers very deliberately on her butt, and a very quick scene where the flash lands on top of her in a 'missionary-position.'

not that i'm a prude, certainly, but there was an adolescent, teenaged horniness feel to some of her scenes, & i'm willing to bet that's a snyder-ism.

Whether it was Snyder or Whedon I don't see the issue with a bit of ogling. Let's face it, they don't waste the opportunity to show Henry Cavill without his shirt on every chance they get. If Wonder Woman was the only character "subjected" to such treatment then I might see a problem with it but if anything, it's the men in this series which has been the subject of ogling more so than the women. Henry Cavill, Ben Affleck and Jason Momoa have all been in scenes which show off their bodies. Plus, there were a few instances in the Wonder Woman solo movie which focused on Gal Gadot's ASSets so I don't think it's a "male director" issue. It's more of a "sex sells" issue and there's nothing wrong with that.

On Arrow, EVERY episode in season one has Oliver Queen taking off his shirt for one lame excuse or the other.

damosuzuki said:

EmmaMcG said:

When you watch Wonder Woman again I think you'll be surprised at how often the camera lingers on the exposed parts of her outfit.

i think the point people are trying to make is that there is a difference between classy (Patty Jenkins film style) and trashy (Whedons cheap TV movie of the week style)
His Marvel movies are exactly that and you can easily pick the scenes he shot for JL out in the movie because, honestly, theyre just not consistent and plain corny and awful, again like his Mavel movies.

That new Avengers movie looks to be a huge step in an awesome direction (like Civil War was) compared to the first two Syfy channel quality movies by Whedon.
I've looked up his screenplay for Wonder Woman and that guy comes of as some douchy creep who should stay away from female superheros.

The movie is pretty good.
The 'resolve' was expected.
I sorta wish this movie focused more on the heroes coming together and learning their powers, dealing with humanity -in the process the Amazons or the Atlantians sharing the info of the boxes being able to raise Superman.

Every scene with Wonder Woman was @ 100% I LOVE her character

Need to really see Aquaman abilities, Cybor being helped by Batman to fine tune his stuff, the Flash learning abilities to actually fight etc

JorisE73 said:

I've looked up his screenplay for Wonder Woman and that guy comes of as some douchy creep who should stay away from female superheros.

I've never read his WW script. In what way did it make him come off as "some douchy creep" in regards to female superheroes?

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JorisE73 said:

I feel like I didnt really get to know Flash and Cyborg's characters as much as I wanted to, even Aquaman. From the looks of it though they have films coming out in th next few years down

paisleypark4 said:

I feel like I didnt really get to know Flash and Cyborg's characters as much as I wanted to, even Aquaman. From the looks of it though they have films coming out in th next few years down

The Flash reminds me of Peter Parker (or seems like he could have a cool story like the original Spiderman movies)

For Aquaman, I think we need a Wonder Woman type movie, since he isn't a regular human, from Atlantis. That whole mystic is always interesting.

I know they like the Flash/Cyborg relationship but that would be ok if Flash was Wally West, but he's Barry Allen (The Best Flash). Now if they wanted comic relief they should have gotten Firestorm. With Ronald Raymond also being young he and Cyborg complements one another much better.

OldFriends4Sale said:

paisleypark4 said:

I feel like I didnt really get to know Flash and Cyborg's characters as much as I wanted to, even Aquaman. From the looks of it though they have films coming out in th next few years down

The Flash reminds me of Peter Parker (or seems like he could have a cool story like the original Spiderman movies)

For Aquaman, I think we need a Wonder Woman type movie, since he isn't a regular human, from Atlantis. That whole mystic is always interesting.

I do believe there is an Aquaman movie coming out, with the horrible "actress" that plays Mera. I'm passing on this on this one since I'm not a Jason Momoa fan

Aquaman is an upcoming American superhero film based on the DC Comics character of the same name. It is intended to be the sixth installment in the DC Extended Universe (DCEU). The film is directed by James Wan, with a screenplay by Will Beall, from a story by Wan and Geoff Johns, and stars Jason Momoa stars as the titular character, with Amber Heard, Patrick Wilson, Willem Dafoe, Yahya Abdul-Mateen II, Temuera Morrison, Dolph Lundgren and Nicole Kidman in supporting roles. It is the third live-action theatrical film featuring the titular character, following Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016) and Justice League (2017), and will be the first full-length feature film centered around the character. In Aquaman, Arthur Curry, the heir to the underwater kingdom of Atlantis, must step forward to lead his people and to be a hero to the world.

Principal photography began in Australia on May 2, 2017, with most of the film shot at Village Roadshow Studios in Gold Coast, Queensland, and wrapped on October 21, 2017. The film is scheduled to be released by Warner Bros. Pictures in RealD 3D and IMAX 3D on December 21, 2018.

EmmaMcG said:

I know it sounds strange but Dolph Lundgren being in Aquaman makes me believe it's going to be good.

Amber Heard will cancel that out

EmmaMcG said:

.....Ben Affleck continues to be the best version of Batman since Michael Keaton.

Bale & Affleck > Keaton

I was actually disgusted when I heard Affleck was playing the Dark Knight, but he shut my mouth big time. He nailed it. His Batman was fucking hardcore, badass & vicious, especially when rescuing Martha.

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uPtoWnNY said:

dance4me3121 said: