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TrivialPursuit

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I'm Buildin' Me A Home

Okay I'm not ...yet. But I'm giving great consideration to building my first home in the next few years. I am really leaning toward doing a shipping container home. It's inexpensive, a faster turnaround, has a lot of pluses, and I can use loan money for better things inside.

My question is, have any of you ever built a house from the ground up? Have any of you built something unusual (whether something odd like a shipping container or rehabbed something like a fire station or loft, etc)? What are the three big things to be aware of or research when building a home that you'd advise anyone doing it the first time? Where can you cut corners without cutting quality?

Sorry, it's the Hodgkin's talking.
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Reply #1 posted 01/16/18 9:29pm

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Hiya Trivial!

I saw this on the news here this weekend at the home & garden show:

https://terraformth.com/microhome/

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Reply #2 posted 01/16/18 10:16pm

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heymistermusic said:

Hiya Trivial!

I saw this on the news here this weekend at the home & garden show:

https://terraformth.com/microhome/


Hey. That's tiny home stuff, and a container home is not a tiny home. I mean, it could be if you used a 20' container, but my plan is to use 3 or 4 containers. I couldn't make it in a tiny home. It's just not my style, but I don't need 5000sq ft either.

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Reply #3 posted 01/17/18 3:28am

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Container Homes Pros and Cons

Container homes are exactly what they sound like; homes made from the steel shipping containers that you see carrying goods everywhere on trains, trucks, and ships. From these giant Lego blocks, people are building homes of all shapes and sizes.

The smallest container makes a tiny box of a home at about 100 square feet of floor space. Eight larger containers together can make a two-storey house at about 1400 square feet. Hundreds of container micro-apartments together can make a huge apartment building.

Tin Can CabinImage courtesy of Tin Can Cabin.

Why are shipping containers being used to make homes, studios, cabins, and offices? Well, with about 14 million ‘out-of-service’ containers in the world, there are lots of them available. And playing with giant blocks has a definite appeal!

Besides trendiness, interest in container homes is also part of a wider interest in saving money with prefabricated and modular homes. Many potential homeowners are looking for lower construction and maintenance costs. There is also a perception that container homes are contributing to recycling.

Container HomeImage courtesy of Colleen Lashuk, architecte.

Could a container home be a good choice for you? Here are some pros and cons to consider.

PROS

  • Prefab: Many container homes are available as prefabricated modular homes, making construction time shorter. Some companies advertise delivery within 10 weeks! Most of the building code inspections are done at the factory, which makes things simpler and quicker. Or if you are designing a custom home or building a do-it-yourself project, the container gives you a fun prebuilt structure to work with.
  • Ease of transport and siting: A worldwide system exists for moving containers around, and once they reach your site they are relatively simple to set in place on a prepared foundation.
  • Predictable cost: Most of the work is completed on a factory floor for a fixed price. Delivery to the site, site preparation, foundation, assembly, and utility connections are the only variable costs. That said, container homes are not always less expensive. Estimates vary, and some put the savings at 5-10%, depending on what you’re comparing against.
  • Recycling: The environmental appeal of a container home is the idea that you are re-using a leftover product of the shipping industry to make a home. This can be a good thing, but as we will see, it’s not always true or the best thing.

Some of the advantages, like short construction time and predictable pricing, are the same for all prefabricated and modular homes, not just those made with shipping containers. But container homes benefit uniquely from the worldwide infrastructure built to move shipping containers. Even container home skeptics admit they can be very useful in situations where local building expertise is lacking, or for emergency shelters that can be easily and quickly moved. In these scenarios, the versatility of container transport is a huge advantage.

Container home assemblyImage courtesy of Colleen Lashuk, architecte.

Container homes are often marketed as being environmentally friendly because they are said to be made from used containers, thus conserving metal resources. There are lots of old shipping containers out there, no longer in circulation, and repurposing them into homes has strong appeal. But is a container home really the best use of a container, from a sustainability perspective? Many would disagree.

CONS

  • Not effective recycling: Most factory-built container homes are built from ‘one-use’ containers that have only had a single trip. These containers tend to be in good shape, without dents or rust, so they are nice for building with, instead of containers that have gone ‘out-of-service’ and may be damaged from years of use. Taking a box with lots of shipping life out of service after a single use isn’t really effective recycling. And there is way more steel in a container than you need to build a house - if recycled as steel it could make enough steel studs for 14 framed houses the same size.
  • Structural issues: A shipping container is very strong at the corners, but the roof is not that strong, so typically you need to built another roof over it, especially where there will be snow. Also, the corrugated steel walls are important to the strength of the structure. This means anywhere you cut out a large window or door opening requires new reinforcement. And when they are stacked together to make larger homes, welded (expensive) reinforcement is needed wherever two containers join at a spot that is not a corner. Any later renovations require significant engineering and welding.
  • What was in that container? It’s often not possible to know what has been shipped in a used container – anything from harmless consumer goods to hazardous industrial materials – or what the container has been through. And the paints and finishes used on containers are industrial; intended for shipping, not residential homes, so they could contain lead and toxic pesticides.
  • Space and shape are quite limiting in containers and can quickly be consumed by plumbing, HVAC, insulation and other systems. A container was designed to fit on a train, which means it’s narrow, and ordinary furniture doesn’t fit right. A standard container is also only 8’6” high, which doesn’t leave much headroom after insulation and wiring are installed.
  • Not great insulation: The narrow shape of a shipping container doesn’t lend itself to insulating the exterior very well. To avoid using up interior space, a relatively thin layer of insulation with a high R-value per inch, such as polyurethane spray foam, is often used. Although spray foam is an effective and airtight insulator, the blowing agents used in many brands of spray foam are powerful greenhouse gases, which have a worse impact on climate change than other kinds of insulation. To make a really well-insulated wall, it would be better to build outward for more wall thickness and use a more environmentally sustainable kind of insulation. But then what use is a heavy corrugated steel exterior if it’s buried in insulation?

COST COMPARISON

So what will a container home cost? It depends on so many factors, including size and type of finishes, that every example will be different. There is a report of a simple shipping container home self-built by an engineer in Canada for only $20,000. But a pre-manufactured container home has a price tag that looks more like a regular home.

Honomobo container homeImage courtesy of Honomobo.

Here is one example. Honomobo is a builder of pre-designed, factory built container homes based in Edmonton, Canada. They create homes using one to eight containers, with high quality finishes. Their largest model, HO8, is a two-storey home with just over 1400 square feet of floor area.


Estimated cost of construction for two example homes.

Container Home price comparisonNOTES: All prices are approximate, based on available data. Land is not included in this comparison, and is assumed to be the same for both.. *Posted price from Honomobo. **Estimated $220 per square foot construction cost in Canada, not including land or foundation. ***Estimated $1.30 per km per container for shipping, considering Edmonton (Canada) to Winnipeg (Canada) (1300 km).

You might love to have a container home because you like the idea, the look of it, the chance to play with blocks in a do-it-yourself design, or the quick delivery time for a manufactured model. But don’t assume it will cost less, or that it’s necessarily more environmentally sustainable.

Honomobo container homeImage courtesy of Honomobo.

"Music gives a soul to the universe, wings to the mind, flight to the imagination and life to everything." --Plato

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Reply #4 posted 01/17/18 11:42am

morningsong

Nope, never have. But I remember when the Duggars did that, tried to build a container home for all of them. Granted they had to go at larger scales than most people would need, so they ended up needing help. I have seen quite a few of these styles:

Honomobo container home


Personally to me that has a zoo feel, but that's me, a lot of people like those windows letting in all that light.

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Reply #5 posted 01/17/18 12:01pm

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We built our house. Here's what I learned:

1. As a guy, it took me three or four times looking at stuff before I had any idea what I liked (wallpaper, flooring, etc.)

2. Visit the construction site as much as possible. Take pictures at every step. Believe it or not, some day it will be important to know what's behind a wall, or where the studs are. Blueprints are good, but for a non-builder like me, pictures and notes are better

3. However long they say it will take to build it, double it. It probably won't take twice as long as the builder says, but if you condition yourself to that then you won't get mad about the inevitable delays

4. Visit as many homes as you can, and take note of things you like

5. THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS TOO MUCH CLOSET SPACE. I am dead serious. Especially with YOUR closet. Build it twice as big as you think it should be. Design all the shelves and hangars and other features. You will be so happy you did that I predict you'll name your first child after me. I am 100% serious

6. In fact, spend as much of your budget as you can on your master bath and your master closets. You/your spouse will spend more time there than anywhere else. Make that area a Taj Mahal

7. Living rooms are a waste of space. Do not have one. If you have a family room, that's all you need. You will never use a living room for anything

8. Dining rooms are also a waste of space. Everyone wants one, and they put their incredible dining room table in it, and then they use it once a year if they are lucky. Complete waste of space. Use that space for a home office

9. Go bonkers in the garage. Make it so wide that you can COMPLETELY open your car door without hitting a wall, or the car next to it. This is another one of those things that if you do it, you will eventually name a child after me

10. In fact, if you can swing it, put heat and/or airconditioning in your garage. Make it so you can turn it on/off without affecting anywhere else. There is nothing better than never having to worry about being cold or hot in your garage

11. Go double bonkers with your music studio. I know you're going to have one! Insulate it like the pros do. No windows, you can't insulate them. If your budget is limited - and whose isn't? - spend the money to completely soundproof it, and then add other stuff later

12. I know you asked for areas where you can cut corners and all I'm doing is spending your money, but here is one last thing I think is important: Double-paned windows and as much insulation as you can afford. The goal is to make it so you can't hear ANYTHING from the outside world - traffic, birds, untalented musicians who live next door. This one should be higher on the list but I just thought of it


LAST BUT NOT LEAST - Build your home for YOU. Forget anyone who says, "But...but...but resale value!!!!" Those people are losers. For all you know, you'll be in that home the rest of your life. Make it YOURS. I promise that no matter what you do, no matter how you personalize it, if you ever decide to sell it there is someone that will buy it. MAKE YOURSELF HAPPY.

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Reply #6 posted 01/17/18 12:19pm

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purplethunder3121 said:Image courtesy of Honomobo.


Thanks. I follow Honomobo. I was asking for personal experiences from building a home in general from people, and their ins and outs and anything they learned that could be of value.

Sorry, it's the Hodgkin's talking.
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Reply #7 posted 01/17/18 12:36pm

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RodeoSchro said:

We built our house. Here's what I learned:

1) I love design, and I have pretty strong ideas about color schemes, cabinets, draw handles, etc. (I also know I hate wallpaper. LOL)

2) I think I'd probably be at the site every day, for sure. Good note.

3) Agreed.

4) I love going to model homes, etc. So no problem there!

5) Agreed! I think closets can be versatile, useful, and inviting.

6) I've always believed a bedroom should be done first. You can eat out, go to parties for entertainment, but you have to come home and sleep.

7) Living room & family room is the same where I come from. I don't have a "formal" anything. It's a huge waste of space.

8) I hate dining rooms. I've already decided to have an island in my kitchen with a longer countertop on one side for folks to sit and congregate on nice barstool chairs. It's so rare someone nixes a dining space. I was surprised to hear you say that, but I'm 100% onboard.

9) I want a larger garage possibly so one side is the car, and the other side can be a studio for painting or music, plus any workspace for power tools, etc.

10) I've thought about HVAC in the garage. It just seems logical.

11) The music studio would be a constant work in progress, but it would be fun to slowly put it together. I do think the soundproofing is more important than spending major bucks on equipment that I might not need. It's definitely a project way down the line though.

12) I'm glad you said the double pane too. There was one energy efficient house that had smaller triple pane windows on the north side, because you never get sun on the north side anyway, and a triple paned glass keeps any cold out or heat in in the right seasons, etc. I hate leaky windows. It fucks up everything and you're never totally comfortable in them.


If I'm building a container home, I don't care about resell. This is my home with my stamp on it. I cannot imagine building a unique and modern home then purposely selling it just because.

I actually have a program called ChiefArchitect and I've done a few rougher blueprints of what I want. I'm still honing it in, but when I approach a contractor and architect, I wanna be as prepared as I can. I think if you walk in with a plan and a portfolio of specifics, they know they're not fucking w/ someone who will just say yes to everything they try to put on ya (ie: unnecessary expenses etc).

Thanks for your input. It seems we both have very similar ideologies about home building.

Sorry, it's the Hodgkin's talking.
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Reply #8 posted 01/17/18 2:02pm

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TrivialPursuit said:

RodeoSchro said:

We built our house. Here's what I learned:

1) I love design, and I have pretty strong ideas about color schemes, cabinets, draw handles, etc. (I also know I hate wallpaper. LOL)

2) I think I'd probably be at the site every day, for sure. Good note.

3) Agreed.

4) I love going to model homes, etc. So no problem there!

5) Agreed! I think closets can be versatile, useful, and inviting.

6) I've always believed a bedroom should be done first. You can eat out, go to parties for entertainment, but you have to come home and sleep.

7) Living room & family room is the same where I come from. I don't have a "formal" anything. It's a huge waste of space.

8) I hate dining rooms. I've already decided to have an island in my kitchen with a longer countertop on one side for folks to sit and congregate on nice barstool chairs. It's so rare someone nixes a dining space. I was surprised to hear you say that, but I'm 100% onboard.

9) I want a larger garage possibly so one side is the car, and the other side can be a studio for painting or music, plus any workspace for power tools, etc.

10) I've thought about HVAC in the garage. It just seems logical.

11) The music studio would be a constant work in progress, but it would be fun to slowly put it together. I do think the soundproofing is more important than spending major bucks on equipment that I might not need. It's definitely a project way down the line though.

12) I'm glad you said the double pane too. There was one energy efficient house that had smaller triple pane windows on the north side, because you never get sun on the north side anyway, and a triple paned glass keeps any cold out or heat in in the right seasons, etc. I hate leaky windows. It fucks up everything and you're never totally comfortable in them.


If I'm building a container home, I don't care about resell. This is my home with my stamp on it. I cannot imagine building a unique and modern home then purposely selling it just because.

I actually have a program called ChiefArchitect and I've done a few rougher blueprints of what I want. I'm still honing it in, but when I approach a contractor and architect, I wanna be as prepared as I can. I think if you walk in with a plan and a portfolio of specifics, they know they're not fucking w/ someone who will just say yes to everything they try to put on ya (ie: unnecessary expenses etc).

Thanks for your input. It seems we both have very similar ideologies about home building.



Total thumbs up!!

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Reply #9 posted 01/17/18 2:31pm

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Where can you cut corners without cutting quality?


There are a lot of secondary markets for key materials, whether it's hardwood, marble, tile, carpets, etc. Those can provide great value for quality material.

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Reply #10 posted 01/18/18 3:35pm

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TrivialPursuit said:

Okay I'm not ...yet. But I'm giving great consideration to building my first home in the next few years. I am really leaning toward doing a shipping container home. It's inexpensive, a faster turnaround, has a lot of pluses, and I can use loan money for better things inside.

My question is, have any of you ever built a house from the ground up? Have any of you built something unusual (whether something odd like a shipping container or rehabbed something like a fire station or loft, etc)? What are the three big things to be aware of or research when building a home that you'd advise anyone doing it the first time? Where can you cut corners without cutting quality?


love the ieda of a storage container house. i watch a lot of home improvement and tiny house shows. i think i would do the storage container option if i were to build a home.

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Reply #11 posted 01/19/18 10:16am

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i've build houses, and let build 100's of others.

If money is the only factor for choosing a container setup: think twice, or inform beforehand. Depends where you live. In Europe it wouldn't be much cheaper then traditional materials. Transport is a big factor as well.


Google also the ready-made 'container' houses (modular). Very nice design stuff, but not cheap.

I'd rather spend more on the building, and not 'use my money for fancy inside things'; you can do that always later on. Basics first.

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Reply #12 posted 01/19/18 7:56pm

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Reply #13 posted 01/20/18 11:23am

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TrivialPursuit said:

Okay I'm not ...yet. But I'm giving great consideration to building my first home in the next few years. I am really leaning toward doing a shipping container home. It's inexpensive, a faster turnaround, has a lot of pluses, and I can use loan money for better things inside.

My question is, have any of you ever built a house from the ground up? Have any of you built something unusual (whether something odd like a shipping container or rehabbed something like a fire station or loft, etc)? What are the three big things to be aware of or research when building a home that you'd advise anyone doing it the first time? Where can you cut corners without cutting quality?

yes.

1. Make sure you do a through research of city, state, zoning, and housing codes.

2. Have the soil checked before you build your home. Over time one's house shifts settles a little bit ,but if build a home

on decomposed soil. If the soil isn't decomposed fully, the soil will shift and comprise the structural integrity of your

home. You can find this info at you local United States Department of Agriculture (USDA) office. Also check if the land

you are building your home upon isn't overturned wet-lands or on a flood plain. Check if the land was once industrial site

and possible soil contamination.


3. Home/ Builder Contractor: Bond, insured, and a member of The Better Business Bureau ("BBB") and I'd check Angies

(that's if you live in the US) for reviews. Hire local, and talk to others who've had homes built by the contractor. Check to

if he pays bills (sub-contractors) on time and if he as any civil suits against them or pending. Nine times out of ten if a

contractor doesn't pay his bills on time, more likely he'll hire jack legs and use inferior materials in your build... though

you purchased premium materials.

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You should be a the site to see what's up. When ever a contractor's is moving to the next major faze, be there. When

the concrete being poured, go back as it hardens, Make sure the frame of your home is the material you bought... if you

bought treated wood make sure its treated wood. Be there for the installations of the electrician heat, plumbing,

painting and tile crews. Be there to check their work,,, anything you don't like are doesn't appear plum speak up.

Needless to say you should have a lawyer to look over your contract and make sure you have a clear understanding

about the builders warrenty on his build.

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Reply #14 posted 01/21/18 1:19am

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The bottom line is...make sure your inexpensive shortcut doesn't turn into a money pit nightmare!

"Music gives a soul to the universe, wings to the mind, flight to the imagination and life to everything." --Plato

https://youtu.be/CVwv9LZMah0
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Reply #15 posted 01/21/18 10:23am

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this also seems like a cool option for $24,500 (there are different options to choose from); i am thinking of building one up north. personally, i think i'd hire my friend who does construction to set it up for me. but it is a DIY kit. and get this, E-Bay offers free shipping: https://www.ebay.com/i/11...836?chn=ps

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Reply #16 posted 01/21/18 11:52am

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i've never done it myself but i've helped several people on projects. the biggest one was a mansion on a lake here in seattle, they went from a open puddle of mud and grass to a mansion in a year and a half. amazing really but I'm sure they will be working for that house the rest of their working lives. They were a chinese couple, they had me doing the most menial work which was very, very hard, some of the hardest work i've ever done, lots of digging in the mud and wheelbarrowing. The husband knew how to do most of the construction work so that saved a lot of money. They were very industrious people, had full time jobs and still found the time and energy to put into building a fine home. they had contractors do certain parts like the foundation, the framing, probably the drywall but they did a whole lot of the work themselves. It still amazes me how they did it, all in a year and a half. Then, I have another customer who is a dentist bought an office a couple years ago and decided to remodel it, it's been a nightmare for all of us, he doesn't really have the money to finish it, it's costing him a lot because it's an office that is not generating income while it's sitting. Bad idea to remodel it. I'm gonna build my own house someday too, i'd have to make a lot of money and learn some more skills but i've seen that it isn't rocket science, still, nothing beats experience, you can be the most driven hardworking person and still fuck things up if you're not careful, i've learned that much, broken pipes, near fires from electrical mishaps etc.., But.., it can be done.

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Reply #17 posted 01/21/18 1:00pm

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Reply #18 posted 01/21/18 1:11pm

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purplethunder3121 said:

The bottom line is...make sure your inexpensive shortcut doesn't turn into a money pit nightmare!

lol lol lol lol remember this???










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Reply #19 posted 01/21/18 3:02pm

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CynicKill said:

[video snip]


Eco-homes were actually one of my first thoughts. I'd been fascinated with them for a few years. Such an interesting way to build a home, have separate areas, have your own little eco-compound. It would almost be a fun project (if you had the land) to put one up as a guest house in the back of your property.

One thing I love about the shipping container is that it's eco-friendly as well. They're both one of many eco options.

Sorry, it's the Hodgkin's talking.
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Reply #20 posted 01/21/18 3:04pm

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XxAxX said:

purplethunder3121 said:

The bottom line is...make sure your inexpensive shortcut doesn't turn into a money pit nightmare!

lol lol lol lol remember this???










Oh, yeah--saw that at the theater. The stuff of nightmares. razz lol

"Music gives a soul to the universe, wings to the mind, flight to the imagination and life to everything." --Plato

https://youtu.be/CVwv9LZMah0
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Reply #21 posted 01/21/18 3:32pm

CynicKill

TrivialPursuit said:

CynicKill said:

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Eco-homes were actually one of my first thoughts. I'd been fascinated with them for a few years. Such an interesting way to build a home, have separate areas, have your own little eco-compound. It would almost be a fun project (if you had the land) to put one up as a guest house in the back of your property.

One thing I love about the shipping container is that it's eco-friendly as well. They're both one of many eco options.

I love the concept of eco-domes.

The only problem is permits, mainly that you can't get them unless you're way out from the city.

I love what that guy did in the video I posted from Austin. I think the whole house cost him about $25-30,000.

Shipping containers looked like a good idea once, but I see they've gotten their hooks into that concept as well, making it far too uneconomical for sane people.

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