That movie was complete bullshit! They killed off Luke, Snoke was snuffed out without so much as a hint about where he came from, Rey's parents were nobodies. I won't go back to a theater to see it again. At this point, I don't even know if I'll watch it when it hits home video. A 30 year wait to see Luke and they kill him off.

Superlame!

DaveT said:

Ugot2shakesumthin said:

I feel sorry for whoever has to follow up The Last Jedi. Rian dropped the mic snd basically finished the saga. I seriously don’t know where they can take it from here and finish this trilogy as it basically ends it all and ties it all together with a nice bow. There really is no point in another “end” to the trilogy in my opinion. and JJ doesn’t have the chops or a vocabulary to add or say anything cinematically either. I think they should just end it here and let Rian start his new trilogy from scratch as he’s been tasked to do. There really isn’t much more to be said. Especially with Fisher gone.

Nooooo ... they can't finish it yet, too many questions still need answering, like....
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Who the hell was Snoke? Who were Rey's parents (I don't believe Kylo when he said they were nobodies) What's gonna happen to Leia now Carrie is sadly no longer with us? Will the Resistance defeat the First Order? Will Rey save Kylo?

I think the way they handled Snooze was a major disappointment and a real issue. Especially since that also could have explained a little bit of Kylo-Ren's anger which is just... there but which is basically also why the movies even exist.

http://filmsfilmsfilms.co...-12-15-103

My own review and thoughts on The Last Jedi ... enjoy!

https://www.msn.com/en-us...spartanntp

Rian Johnson addresses The Last Jedi backlash, says necessary for Star Wars to 'grow'

© Provided by TIME Inc.

Rian Johnson has heard the fans’ complaints about The Last Jedi — and it turns out it doesn’t bother him that his film is sparking so many conversations.

In response to a fan asking whether he thought it was a good thing The Last Jedi has been so polarizing among audiences, Johnson wrote in a tweet, “The goal is never to divide or make people upset, but I do think the conversations that are happening were going to have to happen at some point if sw is going to grow, move forward, and stay vital.”

The Last Jedi has been a hit with critics and at the box office, earning rave reviews that have declared the film the best entry in the franchise since Empire Strikes Back. It also scored the second highest...f all time (behind The Force Awakens), raking in $220 million at the box office in its first weekend. And early numbers suggest it won’t slow down anytime soon.

© The Associated Press This image released by Lucasfilm shows Mark Hamill as Luke Skywalker in "Star Wars: The Last Jedi." (John Wilson/Lucasfilm via AP) Still, in spite of that, the film has proved divisive online among fans, with many railing against the film’s depiction of Luke Skywalker, aspects of the Force, and other subplots. Many have chalked up the polarizing response to internet trolls, particularly racism and sexism against a film that displays a wide range of female leadership and heroic actions from a diverse cast.

2045RadicalMattZ said:

I understand people don't like their films being fucked with. ...all "diversified"(pandering) and "updated" But the prequels had tons of diversity. Just look the fucking credits! ! KWANG HWANG SUK FUK KWOK KWOK KIM KIM KIM KIM KIM KIM HWANG KIM HWAN KWOK CHIENG KWOK CHANG CHEING CHANG CHAIN CHENG CHEING CHEING CHING CHEN (Animation/3d/supervisors etc) ....chain of fools i say! I do understand that deliberately pandering to the socially accepted bullshit of the lgbt BLT madness is infuriating for some. I really do. I think it's cheap and insulting and patronizing [Edited 12/23/17 21:40pm]

WTH are you talking about?

Phishanga said:

Jar Jar Binks is the last Jedi. Just saying.

I don't think these are Star Wars fans doing these movies.

They have totally fucked the Star Wars community and legacy

Luke Skywalker dead? Jedi Order not rebuilt... Where is the New Hope and the excitement of helping rebuild the universe felt at the end of Return of the Jedi

Plot holes? Lots, but I loved the way Rian shit-canned everything JJ did with The Force Awakens in one fell swoop. And I agree with Rian, that it allows Star Wars to grow. JJ put it into this little straight-jacket that was too simplistic, and worst of all repetetive.

Here's whay Wired has to say and I completly agree.

‘The Last Jedi’ Is the Most Intellectual ‘Star Wars’ Movie

https://www.wired.com/201...last-jedi/

The new Star Wars movie The Last Jedi is thoughtful and inventive, presenting a fresh take on familiar elements like Luke Skywalker and the Force. Fantasy author Erin Lindsey says those changes have proven to be too much for some diehard Star Wars fans.

“When people get really attached to a property, they get a certain sense of entitlement about how the story needs to unfold,” Lindsey says in Episode 287 of the Geek’s Guide to the Galaxy podcast. “And when expectations are dashed—even in a way that ought to be pleasing, because having your expectations dashed sometimes is a lot of fun, it’s a good thing—it can be disappointing.”

David Barr Kirtley on J.J. Abrams:

“My impression of J.J. Abrams at this point—and this might be completely unfair, I don’t know him or anything—but my impression is that he loves movies, and he knows everything there is to know about movies, and doesn’t have a lot to say. Whereas I feel like Rian Johnson has things to say. And I’m afraid that this trilogy could easily mirror the first trilogy, where you have the crowd-pleasing first movie, then you have the dark, kind of weird second movie that people only in retrospect recognize was the most interesting one, and then you have a third mindless crowd-pleasing one again. And I’m sort of expecting that J.J. Abrams is going to come in on the next movie and it’s just going to be fun and the good guys are going to win, and there won’t be anything more to it than that.”

Like Mark Hammill said, they should have followed George Lucus' vision for 7 8 9

The new characters are not interesting enough to build a legacy off of

30+ yrs of ST destroyed in 1 swoop

Ugot2shakesumthin said:

Plot holes? Lots, but I loved the way Rian shit-canned everything JJ did with The Force Awakens in one fell swoop. And I agree with Rian, that it allows Star Wars to grow. JJ put it into this little straight-jacket that was too simplistic, and worst of all repetetive.

Here's whay Wired has to say and I completly agree.

‘The Last Jedi’ Is the Most Intellectual ‘Star Wars’ Movie

https://www.wired.com/201...last-jedi/

The new Star Wars movie The Last Jedi is thoughtful and inventive, presenting a fresh take on familiar elements like Luke Skywalker and the Force. Fantasy author Erin Lindsey says those changes have proven to be too much for some diehard Star Wars fans.

“When people get really attached to a property, they get a certain sense of entitlement about how the story needs to unfold,” Lindsey says in Episode 287 of the Geek’s Guide to the Galaxy podcast. “And when expectations are dashed—even in a way that ought to be pleasing, because having your expectations dashed sometimes is a lot of fun, it’s a good thing—it can be disappointing.”

David Barr Kirtley on J.J. Abrams:

“My impression of J.J. Abrams at this point—and this might be completely unfair, I don’t know him or anything—but my impression is that he loves movies, and he knows everything there is to know about movies, and doesn’t have a lot to say. Whereas I feel like Rian Johnson has things to say. And I’m afraid that this trilogy could easily mirror the first trilogy, where you have the crowd-pleasing first movie, then you have the dark, kind of weird second movie that people only in retrospect recognize was the most interesting one, and then you have a third mindless crowd-pleasing one again. And I’m sort of expecting that J.J. Abrams is going to come in on the next movie and it’s just going to be fun and the good guys are going to win, and there won’t be anything more to it than that.”

OldFriends4Sale said:

Like Mark Hammill said, they should have followed George Lucus' vision for 7 8 9

The new characters are not interesting enough to build a legacy off of

30+ yrs of ST destroyed in 1 swoop

Ugot2shakesumthin said:

Plot holes? Lots, but I loved the way Rian shit-canned everything JJ did with The Force Awakens in one fell swoop. And I agree with Rian, that it allows Star Wars to grow. JJ put it into this little straight-jacket that was too simplistic, and worst of all repetetive.

Here's whay Wired has to say and I completly agree.

‘The Last Jedi’ Is the Most Intellectual ‘Star Wars’ Movie

https://www.wired.com/201...last-jedi/

The new Star Wars movie The Last Jedi is thoughtful and inventive, presenting a fresh take on familiar elements like Luke Skywalker and the Force. Fantasy author Erin Lindsey says those changes have proven to be too much for some diehard Star Wars fans.

“When people get really attached to a property, they get a certain sense of entitlement about how the story needs to unfold,” Lindsey says in Episode 287 of the Geek’s Guide to the Galaxy podcast. “And when expectations are dashed—even in a way that ought to be pleasing, because having your expectations dashed sometimes is a lot of fun, it’s a good thing—it can be disappointing.”

David Barr Kirtley on J.J. Abrams:

“My impression of J.J. Abrams at this point—and this might be completely unfair, I don’t know him or anything—but my impression is that he loves movies, and he knows everything there is to know about movies, and doesn’t have a lot to say. Whereas I feel like Rian Johnson has things to say. And I’m afraid that this trilogy could easily mirror the first trilogy, where you have the crowd-pleasing first movie, then you have the dark, kind of weird second movie that people only in retrospect recognize was the most interesting one, and then you have a third mindless crowd-pleasing one again. And I’m sort of expecting that J.J. Abrams is going to come in on the next movie and it’s just going to be fun and the good guys are going to win, and there won’t be anything more to it than that.”

Yes. Rey is a terrible, uncharismatic bore with wooden acting. Kylo is a stupid name, and an inane character who's always beating things... I suspect that's supposed to be the source of his deep rooted understanding of the force... breaking stuff.

Garbageman is a contrived fake, unbelieveable (like Rey) character that comes out of source material, and whos development is completely artificial. At least he tried to abandon ship in this one though.

Orange Yoda is one of the worst star wars saga characters... she looks like a partially digested orange, that an elephant shit out. and she's unlikeable, artificial...and supposed to be all "hip". Just like "Art Teacher Holdsherownwittheboysawitz" ....Terrible unthreatening incredible character showing no strategic wit, strength whatsoever...

All female pandering....which is terrible, because it makes the entire thing one sided and fake.

Which I guess is why it seems to rate so high (see the above comment 4 up) with women who take their daughters to the theater...

But much like a mind trick... or "that hot guy that knocked you up and said he'd be around forever" it's just a mind trick. I personally don't like to be pandered to, ...it's akin to PATRONIZING...and it's a lie.

that's what this "trilogy" continues to be..with the silly donkey and carrot act going on with Rey's parentage.

Stupid films...but dramatically it was alright... the VISUAL were fantastic and not ludicrous and overwhelming *like Lucas' dogfights...

I liked the ethos of Luke teaching Kylo with that trick...but I still don't think it'd warrant his own death.

2045RadicalMattZ said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Like Mark Hammill said, they should have followed George Lucus' vision for 7 8 9

The new characters are not interesting enough to build a legacy off of

30+ yrs of ST destroyed in 1 swoop

Yes. Rey is a terrible, uncharismatic bore with wooden acting. Kylo is a stupid name, and an inane character who's always beating things... I suspect that's supposed to be the source of his deep rooted understanding of the force... breaking stuff.

Garbageman is a contrived fake, unbelieveable (like Rey) character that comes out of source material, and whos development is completely artificial. At least he tried to abandon ship in this one though.

Orange Yoda is one of the worst star wars saga characters... she looks like a partially digested orange, that an elephant shit out. and she's unlikeable, artificial...and supposed to be all "hip". Just like "Art Teacher Holdsherownwittheboysawitz" ....Terrible unthreatening incredible character showing no strategic wit, strength whatsoever...

All female pandering....which is terrible, because it makes the entire thing one sided and fake.

Which I guess is why it seems to rate so high (see the above comment 4 up) with women who take their daughters to the theater...

But much like a mind trick... or "that hot guy that knocked you up and said he'd be around forever" it's just a mind trick. I personally don't like to be pandered to, ...it's akin to PATRONIZING...and it's a lie.

that's what this "trilogy" continues to be..with the silly donkey and carrot act going on with Rey's parentage.

Stupid films...but dramatically it was alright... the VISUAL were fantastic and not ludicrous and overwhelming *like Lucas' dogfights...

I liked the ethos of Luke teaching Kylo with that trick...but I still don't think it'd warrant his own death.

Luke wanted to die, so living with being a "failed" legend could end. Luke chose to move on after saving his friends. That seemed reasonable to me.

kewlschool said:

2045RadicalMattZ said:

Yes. Rey is a terrible, uncharismatic bore with wooden acting. Kylo is a stupid name, and an inane character who's always beating things... I suspect that's supposed to be the source of his deep rooted understanding of the force... breaking stuff.

Garbageman is a contrived fake, unbelieveable (like Rey) character that comes out of source material, and whos development is completely artificial. At least he tried to abandon ship in this one though.

Orange Yoda is one of the worst star wars saga characters... she looks like a partially digested orange, that an elephant shit out. and she's unlikeable, artificial...and supposed to be all "hip". Just like "Art Teacher Holdsherownwittheboysawitz" ....Terrible unthreatening incredible character showing no strategic wit, strength whatsoever...

All female pandering....which is terrible, because it makes the entire thing one sided and fake.

Which I guess is why it seems to rate so high (see the above comment 4 up) with women who take their daughters to the theater...

But much like a mind trick... or "that hot guy that knocked you up and said he'd be around forever" it's just a mind trick. I personally don't like to be pandered to, ...it's akin to PATRONIZING...and it's a lie.

that's what this "trilogy" continues to be..with the silly donkey and carrot act going on with Rey's parentage.

Stupid films...but dramatically it was alright... the VISUAL were fantastic and not ludicrous and overwhelming *like Lucas' dogfights...

I liked the ethos of Luke teaching Kylo with that trick...but I still don't think it'd warrant his own death.

Luke wanted to die, so living with being a "failed" legend could end. Luke chose to move on after saving his friends. That seemed reasonable to me.

that is the thing. Luke was a beacon of light and hope, no matter what happened.

In the previous canon he lost students, but the light of hope burned brighter until he finished the vision his teacher instructed him too

this new canon made Luke Skywalker

...someone wasting away in guilt

(look at that last night SKYWALKER)

I swear some of the concept art background stories are more interesting

what about the knights of Ren? A lot of concepts from VII and then nothing

2045RadicalMattZ said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Like Mark Hammill said, they should have followed George Lucus' vision for 7 8 9

The new characters are not interesting enough to build a legacy off of

30+ yrs of ST destroyed in 1 swoop

Yes. Rey is a terrible, uncharismatic bore with wooden acting. Kylo is a stupid name, and an inane character who's always beating things... I suspect that's supposed to be the source of his deep rooted understanding of the force... breaking stuff.

Garbageman is a contrived fake, unbelieveable (like Rey) character that comes out of source material, and whos development is completely artificial. At least he tried to abandon ship in this one though.

Orange Yoda is one of the worst star wars saga characters... she looks like a partially digested orange, that an elephant shit out. and she's unlikeable, artificial...and supposed to be all "hip". Just like "Art Teacher Holdsherownwittheboysawitz" ....Terrible unthreatening incredible character showing no strategic wit, strength whatsoever...

All female pandering....which is terrible, because it makes the entire thing one sided and fake.

Which I guess is why it seems to rate so high (see the above comment 4 up) with women who take their daughters to the theater...

But much like a mind trick... or "that hot guy that knocked you up and said he'd be around forever" it's just a mind trick. I personally don't like to be pandered to, ...it's akin to PATRONIZING...and it's a lie.

that's what this "trilogy" continues to be..with the silly donkey and carrot act going on with Rey's parentage.

Stupid films...but dramatically it was alright... the VISUAL were fantastic and not ludicrous and overwhelming *like Lucas' dogfights...

I liked the ethos of Luke teaching Kylo with that trick...but I still don't think it'd warrant his own death.

I'm with you 100%

Even though Rebel One was an ok movie the characters were just not sympathetic.
Unlike seeing Star Wars: A New Hope and wanting to know more about Princess Leia Chewie C-3PO R2-D2 Han Solo Darth Vader the Emperor Biggs Ben Kenobi Luke Skywalker even Jawas and Sandpeople, these new characters are so one dimensional

OldFriends4Sale said:

2045RadicalMattZ said:

Yes. Rey is a terrible, uncharismatic bore with wooden acting. Kylo is a stupid name, and an inane character who's always beating things... I suspect that's supposed to be the source of his deep rooted understanding of the force... breaking stuff.

Garbageman is a contrived fake, unbelieveable (like Rey) character that comes out of source material, and whos development is completely artificial. At least he tried to abandon ship in this one though.

Orange Yoda is one of the worst star wars saga characters... she looks like a partially digested orange, that an elephant shit out. and she's unlikeable, artificial...and supposed to be all "hip". Just like "Art Teacher Holdsherownwittheboysawitz" ....Terrible unthreatening incredible character showing no strategic wit, strength whatsoever...

All female pandering....which is terrible, because it makes the entire thing one sided and fake.

Which I guess is why it seems to rate so high (see the above comment 4 up) with women who take their daughters to the theater...

But much like a mind trick... or "that hot guy that knocked you up and said he'd be around forever" it's just a mind trick. I personally don't like to be pandered to, ...it's akin to PATRONIZING...and it's a lie.

that's what this "trilogy" continues to be..with the silly donkey and carrot act going on with Rey's parentage.

Stupid films...but dramatically it was alright... the VISUAL were fantastic and not ludicrous and overwhelming *like Lucas' dogfights...

I liked the ethos of Luke teaching Kylo with that trick...but I still don't think it'd warrant his own death.

I'm with you 100%

Even though Rebel One was an ok movie the characters were just not sympathetic.
Unlike seeing Star Wars: A New Hope and wanting to know more about Princess Leia Chewie C-3PO R2-D2 Han Solo Darth Vader the Emperor Biggs Ben Kenobi Luke Skywalker even Jawas and Sandpeople, these new characters are so one dimensional

I think you may be romanticising the past characters-None of the Star Wars Characters have ever been written at the level of a shakespeare character. The past characters you except from being familiar with them, the new characters are just that new.

kewlschool said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

I'm with you 100%

Even though Rebel One was an ok movie the characters were just not sympathetic.
Unlike seeing Star Wars: A New Hope and wanting to know more about Princess Leia Chewie C-3PO R2-D2 Han Solo Darth Vader the Emperor Biggs Ben Kenobi Luke Skywalker even Jawas and Sandpeople, these new characters are so one dimensional

I think you may be romanticising the past characters-None of the Star Wars Characters have ever been written at the level of a shakespeare character. The past characters you except from being familiar with them, the new characters are just that new.

Hardly

I'm a star wars academic lol

I'm talking about that 'thing' that makes you interested in the characters and want to know more

They were not forgetable. Being on the level of Shakespeare had nothing to do with it.

Mystery and charisma is enough. I mean we are still looking at 30+yrs of Star Wars built on those people. And they were very interesting. And by ST Empire Strikes Back I was totally pulled into wanting more of who they were and this universe they raced across.

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No, I immediately wanted more of those characters. SW was a fluke or fly by night bro lol. It still exists for a reason. And it isn't Rey Snoke and Ren. I do like the droid though.

Silvertongue7 said:

2045RadicalMattZ said:

Silvertongue7 said:

2045RadicalMattZ said:

Silvertongue7 said:

Laura Dern was fantastic. I didn’t say anything about the writing. Also, I’m not a woman. Also, having women in films is not pandering. Also, don’t be scared of women. I know they have weird bits, but most of them are alright, honestly... [Edited 12/28/17 18:17pm]

Funny. Nice little implication there. Well deserved. BUT this whole thing IS pandering. Like Ghostbusters and pretty much a bunch of films recently. STAR WARS always had women with b significant roles. What's a little bothersome is that none of them were even asserti e...it's unfortunate but it's clear that Carrie wasn'tvery well in life in general Either way, I'm all for positive injections on themes but these recent things smack of commercialism and ass kissing. No development. I had a good script going for a film project for female comics and its more thoughtful than the current shit. It's unfortunate: but WHEN YOU REWARD SUBPAR WORK. ...that's what you get. Most of these female comics now don't use wit. They use the cheap avenue that only appeals to UPTIGHT women. .. i.e. stuff they'd never do. GROSS OUT "humor". That's not creative. Neither is this play on star wars and outs cheap checklist. They're just making a buck. I NEVER revisited the force awakens. ..it and it's characters were way too FORCEd. There were a few positives in this film. But patronizing women isn't empowerment. It's the exact opposite. I think this is actually the end of the franchise as a successful model *(which is what they wanted) but the cheap seams are showing and the characterisation is threadbare. Things to look for in the next one: Go go gadget orange Yoda turd....she's there to placate the kids that fall asleep. More feminism: it's tested well with the positive responses Luke returns as a force ghost while rey is inserting a tampon (*gross out feminine laughter) ...raised eyebrow::::UHMMM.. AWK-WAARD!" Kylo...... ...kylo.... ...wasn'tthere some idea of KNIGHTS of Ren? Oh....never mind. ..throw away anything remotely resembling character. Rely on archetypes, they've already bought it. Rey's parentage will be used again over and over like a terrible soap opera until it's revealed she was a FORCE CLONE saved by Obi Wan in a jedi/sith factory once they optioned to go with the JEDI- CLONE plan; after realizing that they could afford it. It'll be revealed that a janitor banged one of those sleeky clone planet white things after a night binging on porn and cocaine and Johnny walker. The janitor was black. This will be the big reveal on why Token was different than the rest of the clones as they were revealed to be in the prequels. ...token is a smatter and sputter of jizz that escaped the sex clone black men factory secret division of the clone planet. It will turn out that a homosexual alien wanted to get a Finn on a bargain and purchase a storm trooper, while instead he served up finn dna into the storm trooper factory, and they gave very pitiful QC departments, It'll turn out that Finn fucked the alien to death, with his genetically altered cock. This sets up the reveal of the FINN FACTORY where sex beings/sec slaves are manufactured. ...leading into the FIRST CGI ORGY OF ONE BLACK MAN (*MOSTLY) FUCKING VERSIONS OF HIMSELF (*which is a societal nod to sociopathic rap; NOT a gay excursion into hedonism) ...on a full scale, 35 finns circle jerking and butt fucking eachother in a lurid scene of decadence, while Rey gets heartbroken, which leads to the major theme of the next film: relationships. ... They'll avoid confrontations and action and adventure and form the story around Rey and Finn's fractured relationship. After seeing 35 Finns blow loads on each other at the clone planet, Rey is ambivalent Tentative title: STAR WARS: LOVE IS LOVE Although the dramatic changes were really good in this one. (*dramatic rhythm) The foundation are duration was pretty much garbage and pandering. I'd hate to see star wars end but it's probably gonna happen to this series. ...they've pulled a bear Joel Schumacher [Edited 12/28/17 20:45pm] [Edited 12/28/17 20:55pm] [Edited 12/28/17 20:58pm]

LOL Now that is a post (waiting 4 someone 2 B offended)

rumors are the Knights of Ren became the Guard

[Edited 12/29/17 9:24am]

williamb610 said:

That movie was complete bullshit! They killed off Luke, Snoke was snuffed out without so much as a hint about where he came from, Rey's parents were nobodies. I won't go back to a theater to see it again. At this point, I don't even know if I'll watch it when it hits home video. A 30 year wait to see Luke and they kill him off.

Superlame!

My force sensitivity told me not to waste my money

Saw it again, better the second time. And I love they badass way they lolled Snoke. If JJ had his way he would be another emperor and die the same exact way. That whole scene with Snoke and the Imperial Guards is the highlight of the movie.

I agree with the movie critics, it's a great film.

Ugot2shakesumthin said:

Saw it again, better the second time. And I love they badass way they lolled Snoke. If JJ had his way he would be another emperor and die the same exact way. That whole scene with Snoke and the Imperial Guards is the highlight of the movie.

I agree with the movie critics, it's a great film.

OldFriends4Sale said:

2045RadicalMattZ said:

Silvertongue7 said: Funny. Nice little implication there. Well deserved. BUT this whole

LOL Now that is a post (waiting 4 someone 2 B offended)

rumors are the Knights of Ren became the Guard

[Edited 12/29/17 9:24am]

Ah... I didn't know that (bout the Ren)

2: Well.. it got better.... I was thinkin about it later before sleeping... I figure the big reveal would be that Kylo Ren wears a chastity belt... that's why he's always smashing stuff... he can't even "rub one off" now and then.

I figure it'd be a good parody...but too dark for MAD magazine... so...

2045RadicalMattZ said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

LOL Now that is a post (waiting 4 someone 2 B offended)

rumors are the Knights of Ren became the Guard

[Edited 12/29/17 9:24am]

Ah... I didn't know that (bout the Ren)

2: Well.. it got better.... I was thinkin about it later before sleeping... I figure the big reveal would be that Kylo Ren wears a chastity belt... that's why he's always smashing stuff... he can't even "rub one off" now and then.

I figure it'd be a good parody...but too dark for MAD magazine... so...

But like you said we don't know, and it was all just left out there unresolved

Kylo probably has a male chastity piece lol... dam yo what are you angry about lol

[Edited 12/29/17 12:23pm]