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Greatest Comic to Screen Film(s)

To me, it's still SUPERMAN THE MOVIE.Chris Reeve really delivered(so much that that when i think of Superman he is what comes to mind ,not the comic).
For the most part i haven't been impressed with the transitions.Here's the breakdown:

BATMAN:Badly miscast.As much as I love Jack,he was to old to play the Joker.Keaton was interesting,but not Bruce Wayne..and the costume was too stiff-he couldn't even turn his head.

SPIDER-MAN:I liked about 70%of it.The Armored Goblin costume was pretty bad,and i was disappointed that they used MJ instead of Gwen stacy,but next to SUPERMAN this is probaby the best film adaptation of a comic book

THE CROW:I read the original graphic novel.The movie was so watered down and cliche,and totally missed the spirit of the book.

X-MEN:Was never really into the X-Men,and the movie didn't really hold my interest.but i thoughtthe "climactic battle" between Wolverine and sabretooth was crap.

DAREDEVIL:Ben Affleck is NOT Matt Murdock.The tone of the movie was right and the costume was great but, unfortunatly ,nothing else delivered.

THE INCREDIBLE HULK Tv series:I loved this show.i thought that it was proof of how a comic book could work as a tv series.

What else is out there?
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Reply #1 posted 04/14/03 9:57am

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Reply #2 posted 04/14/03 9:57am

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UnsymmetricalySymmetrical said:

To me, it's still SUPERMAN THE MOVIE.Chris Reeve really delivered(so much that that when i think of Superman he is what comes to mind ,not the comic).
For the most part i haven't been impressed with the transitions.Here's the breakdown:

I agree that Reeve was great, but Hackman and Kidder were majorly mis-cast. I love Hackman, but he just wasn't Lex Luthor. Unfortunately, the film is also rather dated

BATMAN:Badly miscast.As much as I love Jack,he was to old to play the Joker.Keaton was interesting,but not Bruce Wayne..and the costume was too stiff-he couldn't even turn his head.

Agree. This film is over-rated. Jack was enjoyable, but he wasn't the Joker. There are also all sorts of character mistakes (Batman wouldn't have thrown the guy down the shaft in the belltower, and he would NEVER have machine guns on the Batmobile)


SPIDER-MAN:I liked about 70%of it.The Armored Goblin costume was pretty bad,and i was disappointed that they used MJ instead of Gwen stacy,but next to SUPERMAN this is probaby the best film adaptation of a comic book

I liked it more than you did. I thought the film got about as accurate as you can get. Of course they were going to use MJ in the first movie, since she is the Lois Lane of the Spider-Man mythos. It would have been the equivilant of using Lana Lang as the love interest in the first Superman

THE CROW:I read the original graphic novel.The movie was so watered down and cliche,and totally missed the spirit of the book.

Disagree. I thought the film did a good job of adapting the graphic novel, without it jsut being a flick about a dead guy getting revenge on the baddies

X-MEN:Was never really into the X-Men,and the movie didn't really hold my interest.but i thoughtthe "climactic battle" between Wolverine and sabretooth was crap.

Completely diagree. Hugh Jackman was incredible as Wolverine, and the rest of the cast (with the exception of halle Berry) was fantastic. The movie did a great job of introducing non comic readers to the world of the X-Men, while maintaining the spirit of the comic


DAREDEVIL:Ben Affleck is NOT Matt Murdock.The tone of the movie was right and the costume was great but, unfortunatly ,nothing else delivered.

Again, I completely disagree. As a longtime fan of the character, I thought Affleck totally captured Matt Murdock. So many of his subtle character traits really shone through. I also thought Colin Farrel was spot-on as Bullseye, and was completely blown away with how the battle between him and Elektra even incorporated dialogue from the same scene in the Frank Miller story.

THE INCREDIBLE HULK Tv series:I loved this show.i thought that it was proof of how a comic book could work as a tv series.

What??? There was NOTHING in this series that matched the comic, other than it was about a guy who turned into a green monster! His origin was changed, his appearance, and the Hulk himself didn't even speak. There was no army men chasing him down, no "Thunderbolt" Ross, No Betty Ross, No Rick Jones! The Hulk was not invunerable to bullets, and couldn't jump like he did in the comic! Hell, they even changed the main character's name from Bruce to David! In what way did you think this was an accurate adaptation?
What else is out there?

[This message was edited Mon Apr 14 9:58:27 PDT 2003 by JediMaster]
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Reply #3 posted 04/14/03 10:00am

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howard the duck

'nuff said




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You just had to bring that up, didn't you?!?!?!?! wink
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Reply #5 posted 04/14/03 10:01am

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The Green Hornet with Bruce Lee are classics
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Reply #6 posted 04/14/03 10:21am

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-Batman did justice to the comic, if not to the continuity.

-X-Men was a pleasant surprise.

-Spider-Man was a lot of fun, but thank X-Men for getting this one greenlighted.

-The Crow was insane. One of my favorite movies of all time. None of the sequels (in the movies or in the comics) are worth anything, though. I'm with JediMaster on this one.
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Reply #7 posted 04/14/03 10:26am

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tank girl methinx. seen the movie dozens of times, yet haven't read any of the series of comix (can't find any issues eek)

reading


My BF went to art college with Jamie Hewlet the guy that created tank girl

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Reply #8 posted 04/14/03 10:32am

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'Nuff said.
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Reply #9 posted 04/14/03 11:19am

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Handclapsfingasnapz said:

tank girl methinx. seen the movie dozens of times, yet haven't read any of the series of comix (can't find any issues eek)

reading


The Tank Girl comics have been collected in Trade paperback form. Ask at your local comic shop. If they don't have them, they should be able to order them. If you are into the humour of the movie, you'll absolutely love the comic, since its even weirder!
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JediMaster said
I agree that Reeve was great, but Hackman and Kidder were majorly mis-cast. I love Hackman, but he just wasn't Lex Luthor. Unfortunately, the film is also rather dated

are you kidding??i loved gene Hackman as Luthor!I thought he was the perfect combination of sick and funny.I agree about Margot but,for some reason, the more i watch it the less it bothers me...I have the dvd and saw all the other actresses" screentests and ,suprisingly,she was the best...go figure

SPIDER-MAN:I liked about 70%of it.The Armored Goblin costume was pretty bad,and i was disappointed that they used MJ instead of Gwen stacy,but next to SUPERMAN this is probaby the best film adaptation of a comic book

I liked it more than you did. I thought the film got about as accurate as you can get. Of course they were going to use MJ in the first movie, since she is the Lois Lane of the Spider-Man mythos. It would have been the equivilant of using Lana Lang as the love interest in the first Superman

Well...not really...the Gwen stacy storyline is part of comic history.I know MJ's been THE love interest for the newer generation,but i just felt that we got half tat story on screen and the other half was jus a matter of "let's substitute MJ".I dunno..didn't dig it.maybe it's just cuz i'm such a fan of the original storyline.

THE CROW:I read the original graphic novel.The movie was so watered down and cliche,and totally missed the spirit of the book.

Disagree. I thought the film did a good job of adapting the graphic novel, without it jsut being a flick about a dead guy getting revenge on the baddies

Get outta here!the acting was crap. as was the dialogue.it was like every line he said was like "look i'm supposed to be tough and scary" instead of of Just BEING scary.And that whole thing with giving a reason for the rape/murder of Shelly...,they should have just kept it true to the book:a poetic tale of revenge on a random brutal incident that had no motive except that these people were evil.
X-MEN:Was never really into the X-Men,and the movie didn't really hold my interest.but i thoughtthe "climactic battle" between Wolverine and sabretooth was crap.

Completely diagree. Hugh Jackman was incredible as Wolverine, and the rest of the cast (with the exception of halle Berry) was fantastic. The movie did a great job of introducing non comic readers to the world of the X-Men, while maintaining the spirit of the comic

Come on Jedi Master...being that your a Star Wars fan..are you gonna tell me that fight wasn't lame??

DAREDEVIL:Ben Affleck is NOT Matt Murdock.The tone of the movie was right and the costume was great but, unfortunatly ,nothing else delivered.

Again, I completely disagree. As a longtime fan of the character, I thought Affleck totally captured Matt Murdock. So many of his subtle character traits really shone through. I also thought Colin Farrel was spot-on as Bullseye, and was completely blown away with how the battle between him and Elektra even incorporated dialogue from the same scene in the Frank Miller story.

Yeah i'm a big fan of miller's daredevil too,In fact ,to me,DD is Frank Miller's character.The major problem was Ben's acting...he looked like he was reading lines throughout ...and Michel clarke duncan was god awful...I was expecting so much from him...Once again the fight at the end between DD and Kingpin-Come on ,that was a joke!DD always lost to the kingpin,That whole "taking out his legs"was stupid.I do agree with you about bullseye although i didn't see why it was necessary to make him come from Ireland.

THE INCREDIBLE HULK Tv series:I loved this show.i thought that it was proof of how a comic book could work as a tv series.

What??? There was NOTHING in this series that matched the comic, other than it was about a guy who turned into a green monster! His origin was changed, his appearance, and the Hulk himself didn't even speak. There was no army men chasing him down, no "Thunderbolt" Ross, No Betty Ross, No Rick Jones! The Hulk was not invunerable to bullets, and couldn't jump like he did in the comic! Hell, they even changed the main character's name from Bruce to David! In what way did you think this was an accurate adaptation?
What else is out there?[/quote]
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Ok .I should clarify:I was never big on the whole drama of the Hulk comic book-all the supporting characters and villains etc.What appealed to me was the psychology and philosophy of the piece-a Jekyll/Hyde of the nuclear age.The series was so great because it explored all that with real day to day issues...sure it was hokey to acertain degree,but there wee some really great episodes.The same can't be said for the last 3 made for tv movies.Anyway getting back to the comic,I was a big fan of the HULK MAGAZINE which was more in vein with the tv series.
I was looking forward to the new Hulk movie...but the cgi looks wful.He looks likea musclebound Shrek...We'll see.
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Reply #11 posted 04/15/03 8:51am

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I liked Superman when I was little, so Superman and X-Men. My son would say Spiderman... he ever tries to stick himself to the wall! smile
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Reply #12 posted 04/15/03 8:54am

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Pochacco said:

Handclapsfingasnapz said:

tank girl methinx. seen the movie dozens of times, yet haven't read any of the series of comix (can't find any issues eek)

reading


My BF went to art college with Jamie Hewlet the guy that created tank girl

Much love yes Pochacco

wow, cool!! biggrin hewlett's one of my fave comic book artists...
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Reply #13 posted 04/15/03 9:09am

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i'm only going to do the big superhero-type ones. leaving out things like MIB, the Crow, Blade, etc, because they're aren't genre comic to screen movies.

1. X-Men, because they're my favorite, and it was the one treated with the most respect, and not as a joke by the director. some others weren't either, but there were more camp moments in them to give echoes of that old Batman tv series.

2. Spider-Man. my eyes teared up the first time i saw him web-slinging through the city. oh, and it was a good movie too.

3. Batman. also good, and it has aged well. i think it's actually better now than i did when it came out. there are issues. i don't have a problem with Jack as the Joker. he captures the derangement fairly well, straddling the edge between psychotic and rational. i actually have more issue with the casting of Keaton and Bassinger. Keaton will never make a good Batman/Wayne to me, and experiencing Bassinger's performance is less fun that watching paint dry.

4. Superman II. even better than the first.

5. Superman. the one that got the ball rolling. a classic.

6. Batman Returns. a step down, but still pretty decent visually and thematically. Michelle Pfeiffer was great.

7. Batman Forever. a change in direction, relapsing into the 60's TV show at times. decent, but not great, and really loses the visual tone that made the first two worthwhile.

8. Daredevil. okay, but a little ho-hum. casting is a major issue with this one. hate Affleck and um... what's his name... the guy from Swingers. Favreau? Duncan and Farrel are good though. but i don't buy Garner as Elektra. no way, no how.

9. Superman III.

10. Batman & Robin. a complete piece of crap. but fun to watch. i find myself watching it every time it comes on TNT, which seems to be about twice a week.

11. Superman IV

12. The Punisher. zoinks! rotten to the core.
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Reply #14 posted 04/15/03 9:13am

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The only one I've seen is Batman and some of its sequels. I like the first two. In all honesty, comic books just don't appeal to me.
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Reply #15 posted 04/15/03 10:02am

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are you kidding??i loved gene Hackman as Luthor!I thought he was the perfect combination of sick and funny.I agree about Margot but,for some reason, the more i watch it the less it bothers me...I have the dvd and saw all the other actresses" screentests and ,suprisingly,she was the best...go figure

Hackman's Luthor is like Nicholson's Joker: entertaining, but not at all true to the character. Luthor isn't funny, he is a cold, calculating genius on a quest for power, and that has been true in all of his comic incarnations.


Well...not really...the Gwen stacy storyline is part of comic history.I know MJ's been THE love interest for the newer generation,but i just felt that we got half tat story on screen and the other half was jus a matter of "let's substitute MJ".I dunno..didn't dig it.maybe it's just cuz i'm such a fan of the original storyline.

Agree to a certain extent. yes, Gwen Stacy is a part of comic history, and Raimi has hinted that he may eventually include that in a later film. I just understand why they felt they had to include MJ.



Get outta here!the acting was crap. as was the dialogue.it was like every line he said was like "look i'm supposed to be tough and scary" instead of of Just BEING scary.And that whole thing with giving a reason for the rape/murder of Shelly...,they should have just kept it true to the book:a poetic tale of revenge on a random brutal incident that had no motive except that these people were evil.

[b]Well, see, this is just where I cannot agree at all. I thought the story in the graphic novel needed major fleshing out, and I thought the film did a fantastic job. I also disagree about the acting. Brandon Lee was, in my opinion, amazing.



Come on Jedi Master...being that your a Star Wars fan..are you gonna tell me that fight wasn't lame??

I thought the fight could have been a whole lot better, but that wasn't what I like about X-Men. I thought the characters and storyline were spot on, and that really impressed me.


Yeah i'm a big fan of miller's daredevil too,In fact ,to me,DD is Frank Miller's character.The major problem was Ben's acting...he looked like he was reading lines throughout ...and Michel clarke duncan was god awful...I was expecting so much from him...Once again the fight at the end between DD and Kingpin-Come on ,that was a joke!DD always lost to the kingpin,That whole "taking out his legs"was stupid.I do agree with you about bullseye although i didn't see why it was necessary to make him come from Ireland.

Again, just gotta disagree. I thought Ben and Duncan were great. I also had no problem with the fight at the end, since the climatic battle was really with Bullseye (and I thought that totally rocked).

THE INCREDIBLE HULK Tv series:I loved this show.i thought that it was proof of how a comic book could work as a tv series.

Ok .I should clarify:I was never big on the whole drama of the Hulk comic book-all the supporting characters and villains etc.What appealed to me was the psychology and philosophy of the piece-a Jekyll/Hyde of the nuclear age.The series was so great because it explored all that with real day to day issues...sure it was hokey to acertain degree,but there wee some really great episodes.The same can't be said for the last 3 made for tv movies.Anyway getting back to the comic,I was a big fan of the HULK MAGAZINE which was more in vein with the tv series.
I was looking forward to the new Hulk movie...but the cgi looks wful.He looks likea musclebound Shrek...We'll see.


See, I just can't agree at all on the Hulk series. I didn't think it captured Banners pathos at all, and not having the supporting characters makes you lose the connection that Banner had to his life. The comic actually focused FAR more on the psychology of the Banner/Hulk dichotomy (especially all the issues with Doc Samson). The show was the Hulk in name only, and just way too cheesy. As for the movie, I've heard that it is much truer to the comic than the series. Oh, and don't judge the look of the Hulk by what you saw in the trailers. Word has it that when the trailer was cut, the CGI was not even close to being finished. Some footage was shown at a comic book con last month, and word was that it was a helluva lot better.
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Christopher Reeve's Supeman superman is the greaest, imho

Close second is Blade
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Superman so far yes. Regardless of everyting else it was the one that was epic, had the comic book feel yet wasn't awful. Batman some say is a close second...but that's mostly taken from Dark Knight series whoch is not a bad way to go BUT Keatons Batman tried to be dark Keaton style. Didn't work as good as it should have..the vigilante thing was to superficial and just because your sets are dark doesn't make the movie theme dark. I guess they could have went darker but I guess it needed to have a more mass appeal. And even though Nicholson was good as the Joker, (good not great) he WAS miscast. The Joker isnt supposed to be fat or thick ansd a wiseacre. He is supposed to be skinny, fey and manic.
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