No spicy.

No wasabi.

No horseradish.

No radishes.

No kale.
No arugula.
No cooked tomatoes.
No okra.
No peppercinis.
No capers.

No quinoa.

No ginger.

No bell pepper.

No raw onion.

No spicy.


I swear majority of the recipes have at least one, generally more, of those things as an important ingredient.

EmmaMcG said:

A lot of people like that fake meat stuff. I don't see the point in it though to be honest. I just don't understand why anyone would be a vegetarian. It doesn't make sense to be. Just have a steak and be happy

Don't like the meat substitues. I can just eat meat if I'm going to use a substitute. I haven't reached the point of moral objection. I just find it funny when I look at recipes, even just the diet ones, they are always loaded with stuff I can't stand. I know I don't HAVE to use that stuff and I won't, I just find it interesting the extent those things appear.

morningsong said:

No spicy.

No wasabi.

No horseradish.

No radishes.

No kale.
No arugula.
No cooked tomatoes.
No okra.
No peppercinis.
No capers.

No quinoa.

No ginger.

No bell pepper.

No raw onion.

No spicy.


I swear majority of the recipes have at least one, generally more, of those things as an important ingredient.

You hate my favorites, except for kale. Okra with tomatoes are yummy.

morningsong said:

i eat meat...

i can eat meat

minus erthing

you got in yo list...

EmmaMcG said:

morningsong said:

Don't like the meat substitues. I can just eat meat if I'm going to use a substitute. I haven't reached the point of moral objection. I just find it funny when I look at recipes, even just the diet ones, they are always loaded with stuff I can't stand. I know I don't HAVE to use that stuff and I won't, I just find it interesting the extent those things appear.

I know what you mean. I'm a picky eater so I'll often look at recipes for things and think "mushrooms? Fuck right off!" and most times there's nothing you could even use as a substitute. I'm kind of lucky too though in that I'll eat pretty much any kind of meat (insert dirty joke here) so I'm never stuck for a main course. Out of interest, are you actually a vegetarian or do you sneak a bit of meat every now and then? Or is it a health thing? And do you eat fish? I personally hate fish but there's hundreds of dishes you can make if you eat it.

Moving towards a pescetarian diet, don't see myself as ever being strictly vegetarian. But I'm not feeling as strongly about eating meat as I use to. I could careless about a big juicy steak, I usually think clodded bowels when I see a picture of it, no mouthwatering. Stuff like that. Besides most of the time it doesn't smell or taste as it should.

purplethunder3121 said:

morningsong said:

No spicy.

No wasabi.

No horseradish.

No radishes.

No kale.
No arugula.
No cooked tomatoes.
No okra.
No peppercinis.
No capers.

No quinoa.

No ginger.

No bell pepper.

No raw onion.

No spicy.


I swear majority of the recipes have at least one, generally more, of those things as an important ingredient.

You hate my favorites, except for kale. Okra with tomatoes are yummy.

I'd starve.

EmmaMcG said:

A lot of people like that fake meat stuff. I don't see the point in it though to be honest. I just don't understand why anyone would be a vegetarian. It doesn't make sense to be. Just have a steak and be happy

And vegetarians wonder the opposite about you. You do realize people have free choice to eat what they wish and what they don't, right? Why would anyone want to be a vegetarian? They don't like animal product, meat, chicken, pork. They prefer vegetables, protein, fruits, etc. How can you not be a vegetarian???? (See how that works?)

TrivialPursuit said:

EmmaMcG said:

TrivialPursuit said:

And vegetarians wonder the opposite about you. You do realize people have free choice to eat what they wish and what they don't, right? Why would anyone want to be a vegetarian? They don't like animal product, meat, chicken, pork. They prefer vegetables, protein, fruits, etc. How can you not be a vegetarian???? (See how that works?)

I'm referring to the people who choose not to eat meat on "moral" grounds. Obviously if someone doesn't like the taste of beef or chicken or whatever they won't eat it. But there are people who do enjoy the taste but simply won't eat it because they don't want to eat animals. That's what I don't understand about it. Life is very short. Why make things difficult for yourself by depriving yourself of certain foods. No need to get yourself worked up about it. [Edited 10/11/17 1:05am]

well, at the risk of being too serious (i do my best to avoid heated topics now...i'm too old & tired to fight with anyone), i have to say i don't think there should be at all difficult to understand why people would be vegetarian for ethical reasons.

it's simply the bentham principle: can they suffer? if animals can suffer, and we make them suffer in raising them to eat, i'd say we're doing something wrong. there's no question that animals can suffer, and i don't think there's much question that many of the things we do in raising them for meat and dairy do make them suffer, often quite terribly (gestation crates, battery cages).

i think that's a very defensible, understandable position.

[Edited 10/11/17 5:01am]

damosuzuki said:

EmmaMcG said:

have you tried doritoarianism? works for me

XxAxX said:

have you tried doritoarianism? works for me

Ha, that's one of the items I would get off the TB menu. Unfortunately they get soggy and mushy too fast. If they sold those shells in the stores...hone.

EmmaMcG said:

I'm referring to the people who choose not to eat meat on "moral" grounds. O

I know. I'm just sayin', it's a choice. They are doing what they believe in, and there's nothing wrong wif dat.

Hudson said:

7 LAYER BURRITO
Taco Bell Restaurant Copycat Recipe

Shell:
1 package of 12 inch burrito shells

Filling:
1 can of refried beans (make the consistency thinner by adding water since it will be too thick if you just take it straight from the can after heating)
shredded lettuce
chopped tomatoes
guacamole
shredded Monterey Jack cheese
Mexican rice
sour cream

In the middle of the shell, put some refried beans, followed by the rice, then the cheese, sour cream, guacamole, lettuce and tomatoes and roll up.




The only vegetarian dish I enjoy.

That would work except I don't trust canned beans.

She does understand, she just doesn't care, she is too selfish leave her alone.

Ingredients I'd actually eat.

Ingredients

EmmaMcG said:

damosuzuki said:

well, at the risk of being too serious (i do my best to avoid heated topics now...i'm too old & tired to fight with anyone), i have to say i don't think there should be at all difficult to understand why people would be vegetarian for ethical reasons.

it's simply the bentham principle: can they suffer? if animals can suffer, and we make them suffer in raising them to eat, i'd say we're doing something wrong. there's no question that animals can suffer, and i don't think there's much question that many of the things we do in raising them for meat and dairy do make them suffer, often quite terribly (gestation crates, battery cages).

i think that's a very defensible, understandable position.

[Edited 10/11/17 5:01am]

Humans are top of the food chain. It's only natural that they'd eat the animals below them. I'm not saying vegetarians are "wrong", I'm just curious about the mindset of someone who would refuse to eat anything, meat or otherwise, based on "ethical" reasons. As long as the animals weren't made to suffer before the slaughter, then it's fair game. (No pun intended).

Damo and next are right - animals do suffer before slaughter. If you eat meat you need to accept that - to pretend otherwise is just idealistic. I have been veggie for ethical reasons for some decades now, as is my husband - my three kids are lifelong vegetarians, meaning they have never had meat at all.

I guess if I was to try and explain the 'mindset' of my family to you, it would be that I fundementally disagree that we are top of the food chain. Yes, we have intelligent brains and are dexterous enough to use machinery to breed and kill, but, for me it is like saying someone is more powerful because they have a gun. Of course they are, but it doesn't mean they should use that power to kill and destroy others. I believe our world is made up of a fascinating array of flora and fauna and of animals of a huge variety of shapes and sizes. It is an eco system in which we all play a part, and by creating a hierachy based purely on who eats who gives little credit to the wonderful part that the smaller animals play in keeping our earth special. As for it being 'natural' - I disagree, the first humans were herbivores and we have no physical need for meat to stay alive and survive. In my mind it's much more 'natural' to let our fellow animals live in peace now we know we can lead a happy, healthy existence without eating them.

Of course, you may see this as a load of hippie bollocks, many do, and that's your opinion. But you asked someone to try and explain the mindset so that's what I'm doing. I feel guilt daily that I am not fully vegan as I know the dairy industry has some horrific practises within it, so to some extent I realise I'm being a hypocrite. When my kids are older I will become fully vegan, but for now, I do my best to source the most ethically dairy products available (which is not always easy).

Humans are naturally destructive, we can't even refrain from killing each other so I know I'm somewhat idealistic with my mindset but I believe humans see power in killing and death, and it will ultimately be our downfall, as we kill each other for control. However, after homo sapiens are gone other lifeforms will carry on just fine without us, makes you wonder who really are the intelligent ones, doesn't it?

[Edited 10/14/17 4:18am]

maplenpg said:

maplenpg said:

EmmaMcG said:

damosuzuki said: Humans are top of the food chain. It's only natural that they'd eat the animals below them. I'm not saying vegetarians are "wrong", I'm just curious about the mindset of someone who would refuse to eat anything, meat or otherwise, based on "ethical" reasons. As long as the animals weren't made to suffer before the slaughter, then it's fair game. (No pun intended).

Damo and next are right - animals do suffer before slaughter. If you eat meat you need to accept that - to pretend otherwise is just idealistic. I have been veggie for ethical reasons for some decades now, as is my husband - my three kids are lifelong vegetarians, meaning they have never had meat at all.

I guess if I was to try and explain the 'mindset' of my family to you, it would be that I fundementally disagree that we are top of the food chain. Yes, we have intelligent brains and are dexterous enough to use machinery to breed and kill, but, for me it is like saying someone is more powerful because they have a gun. Of course they are, but it doesn't mean they should use that power to kill and destroy others. I believe our world is made up of a fascinating array of flora and fauna and of animals of a huge variety of shapes and sizes. It is an eco system in which we all play a part, and by creating a hierachy based purely on who eats who gives little credit to the wonderful part that the smaller animals play in keeping our earth special. As for it being 'natural' - I disagree, the first humans were herbivores and we have no physical need for meat to stay alive and survive. In my mind it's much more 'natural' to let our fellow animals live in peace now we know we can lead a happy, healthy existence without eating them.

Of course, you may see this as a load of hippie bollocks, many do, and that's your opinion. But you asked someone to try and explain the mindset so that's what I'm doing. I feel guilt daily that I am not fully vegan as I know the dairy industry has some horrific practises within it, so to some extent I realise I'm being a hypocrite. When my kids are older I will become fully vegan, but for now, I do my best to source the most ethically dairy products available (which is not always easy).

Humans are naturally destructive, we can't even refrain from killing each other so I know I'm somewhat idealistic with my mindset but I believe humans see power in killing and death, and it will ultimately be our downfall, as we kill each other for control. However, after homo sapiens are gone other lifeforms will carry on just fine without us, makes you wonder who really are the intelligent ones, doesn't it?

[Edited 10/14/17 4:18am]

i can't quite go along with some of what you've said here, mainly because i'm not quite as fatalistic about human nature & our prospects, & also because i actually don't really have a problem with killing animals for food. i don't think that is an inherently awful thing to do, and i regularly eat hunted meat. however, i really respect your outlook and i think you said everything really thoughtfully.

Kale is disgusting.

The secret ingredient: Mushrooms. Also nuts. Wheat, corn, rice.

EmmaMcG said:

maplenpg said:

Damo and next are right - animals do suffer before slaughter. If you eat meat you need to accept that - to pretend otherwise is just idealistic. I have been veggie for ethical reasons for some decades now, as is my husband - my three kids are lifelong vegetarians, meaning they have never had meat at all.

I guess if I was to try and explain the 'mindset' of my family to you, it would be that I fundementally disagree that we are top of the food chain. Yes, we have intelligent brains and are dexterous enough to use machinery to breed and kill, but, for me it is like saying someone is more powerful because they have a gun. Of course they are, but it doesn't mean they should use that power to kill and destroy others. I believe our world is made up of a fascinating array of flora and fauna and of animals of a huge variety of shapes and sizes. It is an eco system in which we all play a part, and by creating a hierachy based purely on who eats who gives little credit to the wonderful part that the smaller animals play in keeping our earth special. As for it being 'natural' - I disagree, the first humans were herbivores and we have no physical need for meat to stay alive and survive. In my mind it's much more 'natural' to let our fellow animals live in peace now we know we can lead a happy, healthy existence without eating them.

Of course, you may see this as a load of hippie bollocks, many do, and that's your opinion. But you asked someone to try and explain the mindset so that's what I'm doing. I feel guilt daily that I am not fully vegan as I know the dairy industry has some horrific practises within it, so to some extent I realise I'm being a hypocrite. When my kids are older I will become fully vegan, but for now, I do my best to source the most ethically dairy products available (which is not always easy).

Humans are naturally destructive, we can't even refrain from killing each other so I know I'm somewhat idealistic with my mindset but I believe humans see power in killing and death, and it will ultimately be our downfall, as we kill each other for control. However, after homo sapiens are gone other lifeforms will carry on just fine without us, makes you wonder who really are the intelligent ones, doesn't it?

[Edited 10/14/17 4:18am]

Yup, a load of hippie bollocks. LOL But seriously, thank you for that. That is a well thought out response to my query and even though I disagree with your opinion, I'm grateful that you took the time to respond.

That's okay. I would never try to stop anyone eating meat, that's their choice - it's just I prefer not to. I do think people need to be honest about the fact that farmed animals are often not treated well though - I've met a lot of ostriches in my time who bury their head rather than admit the truth.

damosuzuki said:

maplenpg said:

Damo and next are right - animals do suffer before slaughter. If you eat meat you need to accept that - to pretend otherwise is just idealistic. I have been veggie for ethical reasons for some decades now, as is my husband - my three kids are lifelong vegetarians, meaning they have never had meat at all.

I guess if I was to try and explain the 'mindset' of my family to you, it would be that I fundementally disagree that we are top of the food chain. Yes, we have intelligent brains and are dexterous enough to use machinery to breed and kill, but, for me it is like saying someone is more powerful because they have a gun. Of course they are, but it doesn't mean they should use that power to kill and destroy others. I believe our world is made up of a fascinating array of flora and fauna and of animals of a huge variety of shapes and sizes. It is an eco system in which we all play a part, and by creating a hierachy based purely on who eats who gives little credit to the wonderful part that the smaller animals play in keeping our earth special. As for it being 'natural' - I disagree, the first humans were herbivores and we have no physical need for meat to stay alive and survive. In my mind it's much more 'natural' to let our fellow animals live in peace now we know we can lead a happy, healthy existence without eating them.

Of course, you may see this as a load of hippie bollocks, many do, and that's your opinion. But you asked someone to try and explain the mindset so that's what I'm doing. I feel guilt daily that I am not fully vegan as I know the dairy industry has some horrific practises within it, so to some extent I realise I'm being a hypocrite. When my kids are older I will become fully vegan, but for now, I do my best to source the most ethically dairy products available (which is not always easy).

Humans are naturally destructive, we can't even refrain from killing each other so I know I'm somewhat idealistic with my mindset but I believe humans see power in killing and death, and it will ultimately be our downfall, as we kill each other for control. However, after homo sapiens are gone other lifeforms will carry on just fine without us, makes you wonder who really are the intelligent ones, doesn't it?

[Edited 10/14/17 4:18am]

i can't quite go along with some of what you've said here, mainly because i'm not quite as fatalistic about human nature & our prospects, & also because i actually don't really have a problem with killing animals for food. i don't think that is an inherently awful thing to do, and i regularly eat hunted meat. however, i really respect your outlook and i think you said everything really thoughtfully.

It was a bit doom and gloom wasn't it Still, I do think we're stupid enough to wipe ourselves out - hopefully not in my lifetime though! BTW I don't think meat-eaters are inherently awful, Just as I hope no-one sees me as inherently awful for my food choices and I respect you for getting up close and personal with hunted meat - there's many people who want to separate animal and the food they are eating as much as possible.

2freaky4church1 said:

The secret ingredient: Mushrooms. Also nuts. Wheat, corn, rice.

There is no secret ingredient (well, maybe just Marmite).

maplenpg said:

2freaky4church1 said:

The secret ingredient: Mushrooms. Also nuts. Wheat, corn, rice.

There is no secret ingredient (well, maybe just Marmite).