EvilWhiteMale said:

There's a new one coming out?

Paisley said:

Yes. It was originally slated for an August release, but word is that it might be pushed back to October. Freddy Vs. Jason IS in the can though! Right now, it is going through post-production special effects work. Last night's Access Hollywood had a brief scene of the filming of Freddy terrorising some teenage girl.

KRUEGER!!

you couldn't pay me to see either one of them in a movie. and you couldn't pay me overtime to see them both together.


give me Michael Meyers any day... (except in 3-6)
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Paisley said:

Any true Halloween fan will tell you that Halloween: Ressurection doesn't count! That film is such a travesty, that most fans consider it to be non-cannonical! In fact, many fans consider that I, II and H2O to be the only "true" films, since they are the only ones that aren't filled with major continuity flaws. If that is the case, then the arguement is moot, since Michael got his friggin' head cut off by Lorie Strode!

But, if that's not the case, then Godzilla would stomp Michael's ass into the ground, breath fire on him, and chew him up! Then, Michael would crawl out of G's rectum to terrorise Haddonfield once again! (Somehow, I just don't see Godzilla stomping through Haddonfield!)

As for who should really win the war of the film monsters, my moneys on the "pinhead" Cenobite from the Hellraiser flicks! Freddy and Jason just don't measure up to ol' pinnie's evil! He makes churches explode just by walking in them!

JediMaster said:

i think you probably lost them right here, when you sunk into that certain language that only we geeks understand


cannonical. love it

JediMaster said:

I liked Halloween 4 alot, it was exciting and went back to the classic formula for a slasher flick. 3 was just plain stupid, 4 and 5 were awful. H20 wasnt bad, but LL ruined it. I havent seen Ressurection yet.

Tom said:

be sure to see Halloween 666 to round out your experience... it's probably the worst of the whole lot

AaronSuperior said:

You're probably right! . Perhaps I should explain?

Essentially, "cannonical" means that it is considered to be a "real" part of the mythos of a certain series. In other words, fans just ignore the bad movies that really didn't like. A few examples:

The Highlander films- all of the ones after the first one were crap, so most fans ingnore them. The only one that actually "happened" was the first film.

Jason Goes To Hell- While I pretty much think this series is a lame Halloween rip-off, fans take issue with the ninth installment. JGTH is nothing more than a cheap imitation of The Hidden, making it the hands-down worst of an already weak series.

Batman & Robin- while most of the Batman franchise is pretty bad, this one stands out as the king of the crap pile. Even if you choose to view the other flicks as having "happened" within continuity, you probably do your best to blot out the memory of this god-awful mess.

Star Trek V- Shatner directs, and the audience pays! This snoozer was so awful, even Gene Rodenberry declared that it wasn't an offical part of the Star Trek universe!

Y'know, perhaps all this continuity stuff deserves its own thread?

Tom said:

I agree that Halloween 4 wasn't half bad, but many fans don't consider it canon, since it is tied into the plot of the terrible 5 and 6. It also contradicts the storyline of H2O, so it ultimately gets declared unofficial. Just consider it an "apocraphyl" story in the mythos!
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The Creature From The Black Lagoon would whip all those monster's candy asses!

Freddy Vs. Hellraiser would be a much more interesting film to see if it was done right.

JediMaster said:

Actually, I would argue that no Halloween film is worthy of the Halloween series title after III. That was the last one Carpenter directed, thereafter the partnership threatened to sue him because he was holding them up on banking in on more sequels.

Akkad is good, but not as good as Carpenter IMHO.

Natsume said:

But III was crap! It shouldn't have been titled Halloween, whether Carpenter was involved or not! BTW, II was not actually directed by Carpenter (he co-wrote the script). Carpenter was actually offered to direct H20, but turned it down. He did, however, give them his blessing on the H20 script.

Anyway, I was actually talking more about the continuity of the Michael Myers/ Lori Strode saga, and which ones were considered "canon" or not. It is true that some feel the second film is where the story should end, but I actually really dig the ending of H20.
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EvilWhiteMale said:

Agree! These two franchises could actually operate in the same universe. I'm very sceptical that Freddy & Jason are going to be a good match. The characters are way too different, and the tone of the two series is completely off.

JediMaster - I realize that both of us are talking about different things. I just respect Carpenter an incredible amount as a director, and am more concerned with him than Michael/Laurie...

And for the record, H20 wasn't bad!

freddy Krugar wins are scariest jason wins as most annoying cause his ass never goes down!

between them...id go for freddie have you seen parts 3-5?!!? he does crazy stuff to people!

The Freddy on "A Nightmare on Elm St." was truly scary. I remember thinking it was the scariest movie (besides The Exorcist) that I had ever seen up to that point. The later sequels were fun to watch, but not scary.

The Friday the 13th movies had their moments, like the famous scene with him jumping out of the water, but, eh...One, two... Freddies coming after you... three, four... wins hands down for me.

it's spelled kruegger...

klaatu said:

Actually, its Krueger. The spelling, I believe, was varied in different flicks, but Krueger was the most common.

Two of my favorite Freddy lines;

"Welcome to prime-time bitch"

"I'm your boyfriend now Nancy"

Natsume said:

Actually, I'm a pretty big fan of Carpenter as well. I was rather sad that he didn't direct H2O, because I think it could have been incredible under his supervision. I still like the flick, because it tried to return to the Strode/Myers conflict from the Carpenter flicks, but it would have been much better if john had helmed it.

So, in addition to the Halloween flicks, what are your favorite Carpenter movies? Me, I love The Thing, The Fog, Big trouble In Little China, and (of course) the Escape From...flicks!

Slave2daGroove said:

Let us not forget "you've got the body, I've got the brain"!

JediMaster said:

Jedi-
I forgot that one! Thanks!

1, 2, Freddy’s coming for you