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PrintableAaronSuperior said: rdhull said: JediMaster said: I'm very excited about both (well, actually all three films, since we get two Matrix sequels this year), but I must say that X2 is probably going to be the most pleasing. I think people have elevated in their minds how good the Matix sequels will be, that it can't possibly live up to their expectations. I expect a backlash, much like Star Wars Episode I. Not that I expect the films to be bad, just that I think people will be let down when it doesn't live up to what they imagined.
X2, on the other hand, is probably going to blow people away, when it raises the bar far beyond the previous film's scope. Since all the exposition of the previous flick is out of the way, this film will be able to focus more on action and character development. I think folks will look back on this summer, and say that X2 was their favorite. I'm sure The Matrix: Reloaded and The Matrix: Revolutions will win at the box office, but I think the X-Men will wind up as the sci-fi geek favorite. And no, a lightsaber could not cut off Superman's arm!  People will love X Men-2 more tham the orignal of course, because the first one was a let down. Thats the general consensus with the entire film (and I wont get into Magnetos true to comic outfit-gear lol, or Storms "ya know what happens when" dialogue etc etc). It has nothing to do BUT be Marvel comic genre? i'm not sure where you're getting this idea. the movie was very well-received by critics, the public, and especially X-Men fans. i was spending more time in internet X-Men circles at the time than Prince circles, and it was no a let down to any of them. Me too--dont be too presumptuous..and what I read and heard in the real world generally was how it was too fast paced and how some were let down by the characters and how they were portrayed in the film. Especially Wolverine. Thats why they beefed his character up this time round making him more like he is in the comics...taking no shit and wild at times etc. "Climb in my fur." | |
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rdhull said: AaronSuperior said: rdhull said: JediMaster said: I'm very excited about both (well, actually all three films, since we get two Matrix sequels this year), but I must say that X2 is probably going to be the most pleasing. I think people have elevated in their minds how good the Matix sequels will be, that it can't possibly live up to their expectations. I expect a backlash, much like Star Wars Episode I. Not that I expect the films to be bad, just that I think people will be let down when it doesn't live up to what they imagined.
X2, on the other hand, is probably going to blow people away, when it raises the bar far beyond the previous film's scope. Since all the exposition of the previous flick is out of the way, this film will be able to focus more on action and character development. I think folks will look back on this summer, and say that X2 was their favorite. I'm sure The Matrix: Reloaded and The Matrix: Revolutions will win at the box office, but I think the X-Men will wind up as the sci-fi geek favorite. And no, a lightsaber could not cut off Superman's arm! People will love X Men-2 more tham the orignal of course, because the first one was a let down. Thats the general consensus with the entire film (and I wont get into Magnetos true to comic outfit-gear lol, or Storms "ya know what happens when" dialogue etc etc). It has nothing to do BUT be Marvel comic genre? i'm not sure where you're getting this idea. the movie was very well-received by critics, the public, and especially X-Men fans. i was spending more time in internet X-Men circles at the time than Prince circles, and it was no a let down to any of them. Me too--dont be too presumptuous..and what I read and heard in the real world generally was how it was too fast paced and how some were let down by the characters and how they were portrayed in the film. Especially Wolverine. Thats why they beefed his character up this time round making him more like he is in the comics...taking no shit and wild at times etc. that's how he was in the first one. honestly, all of these criticisms were out BEFORE the movie even premeired. when it came out and everyone saw how well it was done, even with some slight shifts in characters and details, it was praised. | |
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NuPwrSoul said: rdhull said: Im laughing how the meaning of The Matrix is underplayed and X-Men is said to have deeper meaning etc.
Yeah I think people sleep on the meaning of the Matrix, its biblical references, the man vs. machine, the post industrial, post modernist themes...
even though thats too deep for some Nu  "Climb in my fur." | |
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rdhull said: NuPwrSoul said: rdhull said: Im laughing how the meaning of The Matrix is underplayed and X-Men is said to have deeper meaning etc.
Yeah I think people sleep on the meaning of the Matrix, its biblical references, the man vs. machine, the post industrial, post modernist themes...
even though thats too deep for some Nu or, as i said, BUNK!  | |
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AaronSuperior said:[quote] rdhull said: AaronSuperior said: rdhull said: JediMaster said: I'm very excited about both (well, actually all three films, since we get two Matrix sequels this year), but I must say that X2 is probably going to be the most pleasing. I think people have elevated in their minds how good the Matix sequels will be, that it can't possibly live up to their expectations. I expect a backlash, much like Star Wars Episode I. Not that I expect the films to be bad, just that I think people will be let down when it doesn't live up to what they imagined.
X2, on the other hand, is probably going to blow people away, when it raises the bar far beyond the previous film's scope. Since all the exposition of the previous flick is out of the way, this film will be able to focus more on action and character development. I think folks will look back on this summer, and say that X2 was their favorite. I'm sure The Matrix: Reloaded and The Matrix: Revolutions will win at the box office, but I think the X-Men will wind up as the sci-fi geek favorite. And no, a lightsaber could not cut off Superman's arm! People will love X Men-2 more tham the orignal of course, because the first one was a let down. Thats the general consensus with the entire film (and I wont get into Magnetos true to comic outfit-gear lol, or Storms "ya know what happens when" dialogue etc etc). It has nothing to do BUT be Marvel comic genre? i'm not sure where you're getting this idea. the movie was very well-received by critics, the public, and especially X-Men fans. i was spending more time in internet X-Men circles at the time than Prince circles, and it was no a let down to any of them. Me too--dont be too presumptuous..and what I read and heard in the real world generally was how it was too fast paced and how some were let down by the characters and how they were portrayed in the film. Especially Wolverine. Thats why they beefed his character up this time round making him more like he is in the comics...taking no shit and wild at times etc. that's how he was in the first one.
I know..thats what I said..and thats why I said they befed his character up to what he actually is in the comics in th e second one..and thats why folks wer elet down by the first one , because Woverine and a few others characters were bunk . honestly, all of these criticisms were out BEFORE the movie even premeired. when it came out and everyone saw how well it was done, even with some slight shifts in characters and details, it was praised.
I neve said it was panned..I said a lot of fans of the comics were let dissappointed. And then I said many actually became cool with it becasue they were just happy to have X Men made and on th e silver screen. Matrix from jump street however blew everyone away because in general it was something new that was introduced to the public. "Climb in my fur." | |
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AaronSuperior said: rdhull said: NuPwrSoul said: rdhull said: Im laughing how the meaning of The Matrix is underplayed and X-Men is said to have deeper meaning etc.
Yeah I think people sleep on the meaning of the Matrix, its biblical references, the man vs. machine, the post industrial, post modernist themes...
even though thats too deep for some Nu or, as i said, BUNK! Oh Aaro stop being biased for once..its not a good color and comes off as unauthentic fro silly reasons "Climb in my fur." | |
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rdhull said: AaronSuperior said: rdhull said: NuPwrSoul said: rdhull said: Im laughing how the meaning of The Matrix is underplayed and X-Men is said to have deeper meaning etc.
Yeah I think people sleep on the meaning of the Matrix, its biblical references, the man vs. machine, the post industrial, post modernist themes...
even though thats too deep for some Nu or, as i said, BUNK! Oh Aaro stop being biased for once..its not a good color and comes off as unauthentic fro silly reasons it's not bias. i enjoyed the Matrix the first 6000 times I saw it. after a point, you begin to see what's wrong with it. that the theme is cliched, and cliches based on a standard sci-fi plot element, and blah blah blah.. i still think it's a good movie. it's just not as great as everyone makes it out to be. yeah, it has deeper meaning... if you're in, like 3rd grade, because it tackles the themes with such obviousness and a basic-level approach. i guess for the sci-fi action movie crowd that's used to so much crap being put out in the genre, this is a great movie. it's their Citizen Kane, Gone With The Wind, etc. but it just doesn't impress me all that much when you really look at how basic the approach to the theme is after watching it so many times. | |
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AaronSuperior said:[quote] rdhull said: AaronSuperior said: rdhull said: NuPwrSoul said: rdhull said: Im laughing how the meaning of The Matrix is underplayed and X-Men is said to have deeper meaning etc.
Yeah I think people sleep on the meaning of the Matrix, its biblical references, the man vs. machine, the post industrial, post modernist themes...
even though thats too deep for some Nu
or, as i said, BUNK! Oh Aaro stop being biased for once..its not a good color and comes off as unauthentic fro silly reasons it's not bias. i enjoyed the Matrix the first 6000 times I saw it. after a point, you begin to see what's wrong with it. that the theme is cliched, and cliches based on a standard sci-fi plot element, and blah blah blah.. true true but it isnt supposed to be Citizen kane either--with any move watched over and over--orr at least most sci-fi themed ones that can and will happen. Even X Men i still think it's a good movie. it's just not as great as everyone makes it out to be. yeah, it has deeper meaning... if you're in, like 3rd grade, because it tackles the themes with such obviousness and a basic-level approach.
LOLOL and X Men doesn't? LOL--that shit is so primary! This is why I say your bias shows ..a lot. "Oh we are Mutants--different from the society and we are being mistreated and need to rise up". Oh like THAT hasn't been the premise of every other movie since ... god lol. i guess for the sci-fi action movie crowd that's used to so much crap being put out in the genre, this is a great movie. it's their Citizen Kane, Gone With The Wind, etc. but it just doesn't impress me all that much when you really look at how basic the approach to the theme is after watching it so many times.
I see your point and know this already...but I dont think you see this is how many movies can be accused of the same things even X Men lol. Thats why I say your biased...you may say you arent or may not even know it..but you are
But that can be a good thing if you use your power for good
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AzureStar said: I really liked both movies! I didn't think I would like X-Men, but I ended up really enjoying it. I haven't seen the trailer for Matrix yet, but just caught the one for X-Men a few days ago. Hopefully, these won't be a disappointment.
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rdhull said:[quote] AaronSuperior said: i still think it's a good movie. it's just not as great as everyone makes it out to be. yeah, it has deeper meaning... if you're in, like 3rd grade, because it tackles the themes with such obviousness and a basic-level approach.
LOLOL and X Men doesn't? LOL--that shit is so primary! This is why I say your bias shows ..a lot. "Oh we are Mutants--different from the society and we are being mistreated and need to rise up". Oh like THAT hasn't been the premise of every other movie since ... god lol. it is rather simple. but it is a more grounded and applicable theme to real life. and the analogy of mutants to real-life oppressed groups is fairly subtle in the film. i guess for the sci-fi action movie crowd that's used to so much crap being put out in the genre, this is a great movie. it's their Citizen Kane, Gone With The Wind, etc. but it just doesn't impress me all that much when you really look at how basic the approach to the theme is after watching it so many times.
I see your point and know this already...but I dont think you see this is how many movies can be accused of the same things even X Men lol. Thats why I say your biased...you may say you arent or may not even know it..but you are
But that can be a good thing if you use your power for good
X Men fam
i admit that i'm biased toward the X-Men. however, i'm not biased when it comes to filmmaking. i love film more than i love the X-Men. and Matrix just isn't all it's cracked up to be. | |
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AaronSuperior said: i admit that i'm biased toward the X-Men.
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rdhull said: AaronSuperior said: i admit that i'm biased toward the X-Men.
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I just think that expectations are way to high for The Matrix, while they are not as high for the X-Men. Whether you loved or disliked the first X flick, the real problem it had was having to set up all the story for the non-comic readers. This time around, the filmgoers are already firmly educated to the premise, so story can take right off. That will ultimately allow the film to raise the bar much higher than before.
As for The Matrix, the audience is expecting for the bar to be raised. The question is, can the film live up to how high the filmgoers expect it to raise? Remember how everyone expected Episode I to be the greatest science fiction film of all time? No matter how good that film was, it was going to dissapoint people who had 16 years to imagine their own scenarios as to how the story should develop. I think the same might be true for The Matrix. I do think the flick will probably rock, but I think people will balk when it doesn't blow them away like the first one did. 
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AaronSuperior said:[quote] rdhull said: why don't you go lick Prince's shoes or something, "blowhard" Im waiting for him to wipe your tears from his shoes from when you "cried" when he played Empty Room [This message was edited Mon Apr 14 9:34:57 PDT 2003 by rdhull] "Climb in my fur." | |
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One other quick point, does The Matrix have Nightcrawler in it? No? Then it won't be as good as X2!
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JediMaster said: I just think that expectations are way to high for The Matrix, while they are not as high for the X-Men. Whether you loved or disliked the first X flick, the real problem it had was having to set up all the story for the non-comic readers. This time around, the filmgoers are already firmly educated to the premise, so story can take right off. That will ultimately allow the film to raise the bar much higher than before.
As for The Matrix, the audience is expecting for the bar to be raised. The question is, can the film live up to how high the filmgoers expect it to raise? Remember how everyone expected Episode I to be the greatest science fiction film of all time? No matter how good that film was, it was going to dissapoint people who had 16 years to imagine their own scenarios as to how the story should develop. I think the same might be true for The Matrix. I do think the flick will probably rock, but I think people will balk when it doesn't blow them away like the first one did. i think part of the impact of the Matrix was the marriage of the Kung Fu movie, the Sci Fi movie, and the special effects action movie. and they raised the bar on all 3 of those genres. since this is a continuation of the story, it doesn't have that element of surprise like the first Matrix did. you can only re-invent the genre once in the same franchise... otherwise, you're doing some other movie that isn't part of what you're making.
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rdhull said: AaronSuperior said: rdhull said: AaronSuperior said: i admit that i'm biased toward the X-Men.
copy...print...save why don't you go lick Prince's shoes or something, "blowhard"
(i knew i copy, printed and saved those for a reason) I thought it was that you saw yourself and so you could learn to admit things like I do, "biased " one
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rdhull said:[quote] AaronSuperior said: rdhull said: why don't you go lick Prince's shoes or something, "blowhard" Im waiting for him to wipe your tears from his shoes from when you "cried" when he played Empty Room
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JediMaster said: As for The Matrix, the audience is expecting for the bar to be raised. The question is, can the film live up to how high the filmgoers expect it to raise? Remember how everyone expected Episode I to be the greatest science fiction film of all time? No matter how good that film was, it was going to dissapoint people who had 16 years to imagine their own scenarios as to how the story should develop. I think the same might be true for The Matrix. I do think the flick will probably rock, but I think people will balk when it doesn't blow them away like the first one did. I agree with most of this but from all reports the bar HAS been raised. Technically and story-wise "Climb in my fur." | |
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rdhull said:[quote] rdhull said: AaronSuperior said: rdhull said: why don't you go lick Prince's shoes or something, "blowhard" Im waiting for him to wipe your tears from his shoes from when you "cried" when he played Empty Room
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Still no takers on my point about Nightcrawler, eh? Guess the Matrix worshippers have to concede my point. Nightcrawler alone is what will make X2 the best movie of the summer!
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AaronSuperior said:[quote] rdhull said: rdhull said: AaronSuperior said: rdhull said: why don't you go lick Prince's shoes or something, "blowhard" Im waiting for him to wipe your tears from his shoes from when you "cried" when he played Empty Room
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JediMaster said: Still no takers on my point about Nightcrawler, eh? Guess the Matrix worshippers have to concede my point. Nightcrawler alone is what will make X2 the best movie of the summer!
no! i agree! anything with Nightcrawler in it is going to be the best movie of the summer! maybe they can get him for Matrix 3 | |
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rdhull said: JediMaster said: As for The Matrix, the audience is expecting for the bar to be raised. The question is, can the film live up to how high the filmgoers expect it to raise? Remember how everyone expected Episode I to be the greatest science fiction film of all time? No matter how good that film was, it was going to dissapoint people who had 16 years to imagine their own scenarios as to how the story should develop. I think the same might be true for The Matrix. I do think the flick will probably rock, but I think people will balk when it doesn't blow them away like the first one did. I agree with most of this but from all reports the bar HAS been raised. Technically and story-wise But does it have a teleporting elfin mutant? With blue skin and a devil tail? If not, then the bar hasn't been raised far enough!
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JediMaster said: rdhull said: JediMaster said: As for The Matrix, the audience is expecting for the bar to be raised. The question is, can the film live up to how high the filmgoers expect it to raise? Remember how everyone expected Episode I to be the greatest science fiction film of all time? No matter how good that film was, it was going to dissapoint people who had 16 years to imagine their own scenarios as to how the story should develop. I think the same might be true for The Matrix. I do think the flick will probably rock, but I think people will balk when it doesn't blow them away like the first one did. I agree with most of this but from all reports the bar HAS been raised. Technically and story-wise But does it have a teleporting elfin mutant? With blue skin and a devil tail? If not, then the bar hasn't been raised far enough! well if thats your thing than I guess not
Morpheus, Agents woopin ass and real action is enough for me . [This message was edited Mon Apr 14 9:44:54 PDT 2003 by rdhull] "Climb in my fur." | |
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rdhull said: JediMaster said: rdhull said: JediMaster said: As for The Matrix, the audience is expecting for the bar to be raised. The question is, can the film live up to how high the filmgoers expect it to raise? Remember how everyone expected Episode I to be the greatest science fiction film of all time? No matter how good that film was, it was going to dissapoint people who had 16 years to imagine their own scenarios as to how the story should develop. I think the same might be true for The Matrix. I do think the flick will probably rock, but I think people will balk when it doesn't blow them away like the first one did. I agree with most of this but from all reports the bar HAS been raised. Technically and story-wise But does it have a teleporting elfin mutant? With blue skin and a devil tail? If not, then the bar hasn't been raised far enough! well if thats your thing than I guess not
Morpheus, Agents woopin ass and real action is enough for me . [This message was edited Mon Apr 14 9:44:54 PDT 2003 by rdhull] Morpheus is cool, but he's no Kurt Wagner!
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X-Men was a surprisingly well-made movie (after all, it is Marvel). Yay. The Matrix is the new Star Wars. Um, nuff said. | |
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