...I don't really get it. Say Lay's the chip company - if they sell ONE pack of chips for Rs. 10, they make Rs. 10. If they sell TWO packs - their income is Rs. 20, ie. revenue has just doubled. But if their STOCK PRICE was Rs. 100 when they were selling one pack, and they then sell another, it *won't go up to Rs. 200*!!! ie. revenue has no correlation with stock price!! ....So - what the fuck is all this stock market stuff then, anyway?

Also curious about what *other* investment vehicles y'all know about in America (and elsewhere), and what you think of each of them....?

Buy low, sell high.

the stock market is a very, very bad joke. if everyone with investments in the market right now, today, called in their notes and said 'gimme all the cash i'm entitled to, turn all my shares into dollars" the market would crash because there simply isn't enough actual money to back all of the outstanding 'shares' in our 'accounts'. the 'money' is fictional, speculative, and the banks too big to fail are trading in the wackiest speculative shit like 'derivatives'. again. like back in 2008 when a bunch of crooked bankers and real estate brokers decided to sell their fucky failure-prone adjustable rate mortgages as 'asset-backed securities' on the market it screwed things so badly our country had to fucking give money to those crooks to cover the shortfall. and regulations which should have been put in place to make sure those same banks and investment brokerages were playing by the rules still don't exist. the stock market is the financial wild west, the final frontier, a big fat capitalist roll of the dice that enables rich people to grow immeasurably richer on paper without ever lifting a finger to do any real work and without making any contribution at all to society. worst of all (or best, maybe) is that the stock market will fail again, without a doubt. the entire concept is built on faulty reasoning and greed and the players are still playing us all. wtf is a 'derivative' anyway? betting on the future and making a dime if you guess right? wtf is that? not quite the sound and stable foundation we need to build an economy on is it? i know i sound like a weird old fart and there's a good chance i am. but, i think we will live to see another 1930s style massive financial meltdown. and what will happen to our 401Ks when this all melts down? are we too big to fail?

bah. that's how i see things anyway. so imo if you wish to invest maybe think of buying art which will increase in value so buy a Banksy. buy jewelry which hopefully will do the same. consider buying a few acres of land and planting crops to yield in ten years. build a house. find a promising young person and invest in their future. buy gold. just my 10cents

wow! had something to get off your chest, did you? I first of all asked you to explain what it WAS, not start ranting! - if selling 2x the packets of chips doesn't double the stock price, then WHAT DOES???!!
what is a "derivative", and what is a "adjustable rate mortgage"?
what is a "401k"?

"big fat capitalist roll of the dice that enables rich people to grow immeasurably richer on paper without ever lifting a finger to do any real work"

Aaah!! - *here*, you're on to something! This sounds like MY kinda style of money making! Please, do tell more . (why does it take RICH people to get richer? Why can't average dicks do it?)

Anybody can do it. The world is filled with day traders who make a fine enough living.

stock market =

domainator2010 said:

domainator2010 said:

(why does it take RICH people to get richer? Why can't average dicks do it?)

plenty of average people do it, even if it's only through work pension funds or whatever. i'm by n means a financial heavy hitter, and i make no claim to have expertise on the stock market or the broader economy, but i've always saved as much as i could, and i've always invested it, pretty conservatively, and it's worked out ok. there's risk in it, of course - perfection is not for this world, but i expect the biggest risk of all would be to not have a plan or investment strategy of any kind.

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it could be the case that we've built a house of cards & it will topple any second. i doubt that's so, but who knows...but if that happens, then i guess we'll all be out in loincloths hunting feral animals. until that day, saving as much as you can and having diversified, modest investments is very likely a good game plan.

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Cerebus said:

Buy low, sell high.

domainator2010 said:

why does it take RICH people to get richer? Why can't average dicks do it?

Mostly because rich people have more money to play with, and can afford to take risks.

If the average Joe has only $10,000 to invest, and the rich guy has $50,000 to invest, the rich guy can spread his money out more and he can afford to put a lot of it in high-risk, high-reward stocks.

Like the saying goes, it takes money to make money.

XxAxX said:

the stock market is a very, very bad joke. if everyone with investments in the market right now, today, called in their notes and said 'gimme all the cash i'm entitled to, turn all my shares into dollars" the market would crash because there simply isn't enough actual money to back all of the outstanding 'shares' in our 'accounts'. the 'money' is fictional, speculative, and the banks too big to fail are trading in the wackiest speculative shit like 'derivatives'. again. like back in 2008 when a bunch of crooked bankers and real estate brokers decided to sell their fucky failure-prone adjustable rate mortgages as 'asset-backed securities' on the market it screwed things so badly our country had to fucking give money to those crooks to cover the shortfall. and regulations which should have been put in place to make sure those same banks and investment brokerages were playing by the rules still don't exist. the stock market is the financial wild west, the final frontier, a big fat capitalist roll of the dice that enables rich people to grow immeasurably richer on paper without ever lifting a finger to do any real work and without making any contribution at all to society. worst of all (or best, maybe) is that the stock market will fail again, without a doubt. the entire concept is built on faulty reasoning and greed and the players are still playing us all. wtf is a 'derivative' anyway? betting on the future and making a dime if you guess right? wtf is that? not quite the sound and stable foundation we need to build an economy on is it? i know i sound like a weird old fart and there's a good chance i am. but, i think we will live to see another 1930s style massive financial meltdown. and what will happen to our 401Ks when this all melts down? are we too big to fail?

bah. that's how i see things anyway. so imo if you wish to invest maybe think of buying art which will increase in value so buy a Banksy. buy jewelry which hopefully will do the same. consider buying a few acres of land and planting crops to yield in ten years. build a house. find a promising young person and invest in their future. buy gold. just my 10cents

OK - are you like, a financial professional or something??
Explain me this - if Lay's has to build a new factory to make millions more packs of chips, if I put in 10 bucks into buying their stock - does that money go to finance the new factory?? THIS is what I can't understand - it all seems IMAGINARY!!

And btw, fuck all that house and gold shit - you're talking like almost an Indian old person!! The NEW opportunities are in Bitcoin (from what I understand - check for yourself), and this kinda thing: www.seedrs.com and www.crowdcube.com - *these* 2 in particular may be UK only though

What's a "Banksy"?

domainator2010 said:

What's a "Banksy"?