peedub, this thread is for you. your argument that jack kirby and steve ditko have contributed more to Marvel comics than Stan Lee goes here.

it's an interesting theory you have, but i still think Stan Lee is the true brains behind the Marvel comics series

For some reason I feel like talking about Stan Lee

kpowers said:

For some reason I feel like talking about Stan Lee

XxAxX said:

peedub said:

XxAxX said:

peedub, this thread is for you. your argument that jack kirby and steve ditko have contributed more to Marvel comics than Stan Lee goes here.

it's an interesting theory you have, but i still think Stan Lee is the true brains behind the Marvel comics series

I'll contribute much content tomorrow!

cool! i truly did not know that Stan Lee stands accused of pirating the authors' work. i thought it was more of a team effort.

DC Comics and the Fourth World saga (1971–1975)

Kirby spent nearly two years negotiating a deal to move to DC Comics,^[99] where in late 1970 he signed a three-year contract with an option for two additional years.^[100] He produced a series of interlinked titles under the blanket sobriquet "The Fourth World", which included a trilogy of new titles — New Gods, Mister Miracle, and The Forever People — as well as the extant Superman's Pal Jimmy Olsen.^{[15][98][101]} Kirby picked the latter book because the series was without a stable creative team and he did not want to cost anyone a job.^[102][103] The central villain of the Fourth World series, Darkseid, and some of the Fourth World concepts, appeared in Jimmy Olsen before the launch of the other Fourth World books, giving the new titles greater exposure to potential buyers. The Superman figures and Jimmy Olsen faces drawn by Kirby were redrawn by Al Plastino, and later by Murphy Anderson.^[104][105] Les Daniels observed in 1995 that "Kirby's mix of slang and myth, science fiction and the Bible, made for a heady brew, but the scope of his vision has endured."^[106] In 2007, comics writer Grant Morrison commented that "Kirby's dramas were staged across Jungian vistas of raw symbol and storm...The Fourth World saga crackles with the voltage of Jack Kirby's boundless imagination let loose onto paper."^[107]

An attempt at creating new formats for comics produced the one-shot black-and-white magazines Spirit World and In the Days of the Mob in 1971.^[108]

Kirby later produced other DC series such as OMAC,^[109]Kamandi,^[110]The Demon,^[111] and Kobra,^[112] and worked on such extant features as "The Losers" in Our Fighting Forces.^[113] Together with former partner Joe Simon for one last time, he worked on a new incarnation of the Sandman.^[15][114] Kirby produced three issues of the 1st Issue Special anthology series and created Atlas The Great,^[115] a new Manhunter,^[116] and the Dingbats of Danger Street.^[117]

Kirby's production assistant of the time, Mark Evanier, recounted that DC's policies of the era were not in synch with Kirby's creative impulses, and that he was often forced to work on characters and projects on which he did not want to work.

this is jack kirby....

this is jack kirby with alan moore (two of the most exploited creators in all of mainstream comics)...


here's jack kirby and frank zappa...just because...

here's a link to a lengthy interview with jack kirby, published in 1990 in 'the comics journal'. he shares his memories of his time creating for marvel comics starting on page 6. the comments section, populated mostly by academics, is copious and contentious...

http://www.tcj.com/jack-k...interview/

peedub said:

peedub said:

here's jack kirby and frank zappa...just because...

Man, I remember when I was a kid in the 1980's there was this short documentary on Zappa where he showed an awesome drawing Kirby did of Zappa and the Mothers... So much awesomeness...

Neversin.

XxAxX said:

peedub said:

here's a link to a lengthy interview with jack kirby, published in 1990 in 'the comics journal'. he shares his memories of his time creating for marvel comics starting on page 6. the comments section, populated mostly by academics, is copious and contentious...

http://www.tcj.com/jack-k...interview/

Thanks, will check it out

you're right. these guys don't get enough credit

XxAxX said:

you're right. these guys don't get enough credit

indeed...

i was going to insert a bunch of images of kirby's creations; but really, there's just too much.

a quick google image search of 'jack kirby' yields days worth of disovery. juxtapose that with a google image search of 'stan lee'...the results were rather amusing to me.